Rafa: I must go to hospital to see Robben

[Captain]

Imo there is a big difference between going down easily and pure simulation to get another player sent off like Robben did.

[aws]

We didn't cheat against Barca, we scored goals. How about their first goal from a very dubious penalty? How about Drogba's sending off in Nou camp?

 

You cheated pure and simple.Carvalho deliberately fouled the keeper in a planned move and Terry scored.I know it,you know it and everyone who watched the game knows it.

And Mourinho wonders why he doesn't get the respect he thinks he deserves.Noone respects cheats.

[Rashid]

I can't believe we are engaging with this cunt. Was he one of the cunts who were spitting at Liverpool fans from the top tier?

[Kopite]

Haha! This is so funny because, last Sunday the Kopites simply stopped singing! We were taunting them to wake and sing and they could mutter a word. Priceless!!!

 

Yeah we stopped singing. Like I said, believe in fairies.

[Lecter]

Yeah call me a knob because you lost but on this note, why not address the real issues that Rafa is dramatising about? Robben over-reacted and that is not news but the the real news is that Rafa is simply distracting his team and the public from the defeat they suffered. Kewell dives doesn't he? Reina clattered Eidur, didn't he? Garcia goes to ground so easily doesn't he? Reina should not have raised his hands, should he?

 

Firstly Reina should have gone for his actions towards Robben (as per the letter of the law) but retrospective action should be taken towards Robben for blatant simulation. If the authorities dont stamp down on this soon its gonna be a constant fixture in every game

 

I want to pose this question to you.. "If Cech had raised his hands to Carragher (in the same manner as Reina) do you think Cech would have been sent off?". IMO the answer would be no because Carragher would never have reacted in the way Robben did

 

Incidentally if you want to use the letter of the law Gallas should also have gone for pushing Reina (but Reina didnt do a Robben so Gallas got away with it) and Gerrard, Crouch & Shearer should also have gone in the Bowyer ruckus during the Newcastle game

[Captain]

You keep talking about the letter of the law. What part of the laws of the game are you referring to that requires Reina to be sent off?

[Dirk]

You keep talking about the letter of the law. What part of the laws of the game are you referring to that requires Reina to be sent off?

 

 

Violent conduct is a sending off offence. Reina, however slight the contact, assaulted Robben. Robben made the most of it but it was violent conduct.

[Captain]

I know violent conduct is a sending off offence. I just don't get this 'letter of the law' argument. According to the laws of the game, violent conduct is exactly what one would think it is, namely:

 

A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.

 

To call what Reina did violent conduct is just not on. To claim that he assaulted Robben even more so. He did not use excessive force or brutality.

 

Pepe was sent off because Robben conned the ref. If Robben had just stood there and not thrown himself to the ground, Reina would not have been sent off. Just like Gallas wasn't.

 

Which is exactly why Robben threw himself to the ground: To get Reina sent off.

[Dirk]

I know violent conduct is a sending off offence. I just don't get this 'letter of the law' argument. According to the laws of the game, violent conduct is exactly what one would think it is, namely:

 

A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.

 

To call what Reina did violent conduct is just not on. To claim that he assaulted Robben even more so. He did not use excessive force or brutality.

 

Pepe was sent off because Robben conned the ref. If Robben had just stood there and not thrown himself to the ground, Reina would not have been sent off. Just like Gallas wasn't.

 

Which is exactly why Robben threw himself to the ground: To get Reina sent off.

 

He did. Define "excessive force". Assault in this country can be done without even hitting somebody. Reina assaulted him.

[Captain]

He did. Define "excessive force".

I can't. I assume you can?

 

Do you think Reina would have been sent off if Robben had not thrown himself to the ground?

[Dirk]

I can't. I assume you can?

 

Do you think Reina would have been sent off if Robben had not thrown himself to the ground?

 

Yes, he would. I can't, which is the point I was trying to make. You used the description as if to prove that Reina hadn't committed violent conduct, it doesn't prove that at all, as it is vague and open to interpretation.

[Captain]

Yes, he would.

I seriously doubt he would.

 

I can't, which is the point I was trying to make. You used the description as if to prove that Reina hadn't committed violent conduct, it doesn't prove that at all, as it is vague and open to interpretation.

Who is talking about proof?

 

I don't think it's on to claim Reina assaulted Robben, I would never use those words to describe what happened. That is your choice however.

[Dirk]

So what was the point of this, were you trying to discuss without purpose the merits of Reina's sending off or were you trying to imply that Reina shouldn't have been sent off?

 

 

A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.

 

To call what Reina did violent conduct is just not on. To claim that he assaulted Robben even more so. He did not use excessive force or brutality.

 

 

Would you describe assault as hitting somebody? Though Reina used little force, he wasn't stroking Robben's face whilst whispering him sweet nothings, or I hope not. Robben is a cheating, divinf cunt, Reina is just daft for even doing it, he had walked past Robben, if he wasn't angered by him, why did he turn around?

[Captain]

I think we have very different opinions of what happened. You calling Reina's actions an assault on Robben underlines that.

 

I think I'll leave it at that.

[dave u]

Yeah call me a knob because you lost but on this note, why not address the real issues that Rafa is dramatising about? Robben over-reacted and that is not news but the the real news is that Rafa is simply distracting his team and the public from the defeat they suffered. Kewell dives doesn't he? Reina clattered Eidur, didn't he? Garcia goes to ground so easily doesn't he? Reina should not have raised his hands, should he?

 

 

I didn't call you a knob at all. I said I was happy to have you on here providing you didn't act like a knob.

[Dirk]

I think we have very different opinions of what happened. You calling Reina's actions an assault on Robben underlines that.

 

I think I'll leave it at that.

 

 

I can see why you think my description is over the top but a player can't be sent off for violent conduct unless he assaults somebody, except if the ref gets it wrong and I don't think he did. The very definition of violent conduct is assault but because it is on a football pitch it is perceived differently. Anyway, I'll agree to disagree. Robben is a cunt, I agree on that much.

[Guest barnes-in-rio]

I didn't call you a knob at all. I said I was happy to have you on here providing you didn't act like a knob.

well since he has persistently acted like a knob ,it is safe to assume he is just that imo.

:drool:

[dave u]

well since he has persistently acted like a knob ,it is safe to assume he is just that imo.

:drool:

 

 

To be fair though a Chelsea fan is not going to come on here and say things we agree with. All in all, he wasn't too bad. At least he tried (and failed!) to have a sensible discussion without resorting to silly jibes and insults.

 

I disagree with a lot of what he said, but I don't mind other fans coming on if they at least act sensibly and don't post shite like those manc dickheads, or Oliver the fireman!

 

Of course, being a Chelsea fan makes him a knob by default anyway.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

 

I want to pose this question to you.. "If Cech had raised his hands to Carragher (in the same manner as Reina) do you think Cech would have been sent off?". IMO the answer would be no because Carragher would never have reacted in the way Robben did

 

 

Carra would have got up and knocked the fucker out

[Captain]

Carra up? He'd never go down.

 

My whole conception of the world of football rests on that fact.

[Captain]

It seems Robben has now had surgery on his broken jaw, and that was successful. His brainscan came out ok as well, despite initial fears of a fractured skull.

 

It turned out his head actually has that shape.

[Anubis]

Well, it does hurt because you got there by default. Del Piero scored a good second goal in Anfield and it was disallowed. You didn't score against us but still went through and if I was in Istanbul, I would have left the stadium by half time...

 

You can propogate this myth all you want, and Sky can play with their computer all they want, but there are a t least two camera angles that clearly show the ball over the line. It was a goal. Live with it.

[Anny Road]

I think the reason he went down so easy is that he weights about 2 pound more than a fuckin meringue

[xabi the red]

Anyone know what Robben said to Reina? It must have bordered on dissent for pepe to flip like that.

[aws]

If violent conduct is defined as the use of excessive force then clearly force which is not excessive is not a sending off.How could Reina have used less force than he did?

 

There is no rule that says raising your hand is an automatic red just as there is no "last man" rule.These are just lazy media interpretations of the rules which get repeated so many times people accept them without question.

 

What Reina did was not a red card.

 

If the ref was fooled by Robben,then he should have said so after looking at the replay and recommended a downgrading.

 

If he wasn't fooled then the ref is guilty of not using common sense in applying the rules.