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While i agree with Jockey and Dave over the Utd fans, I thin k it's unfair to dismiss Johnny suggesting we should try and push for reform of football. That serial moron, Boris Johnson, has left ajar the door pursuing a populist agenda, and this may be the only chance the fans get to try and push it open. Will it fail? Probably? Is that a reason not to try? No it is not.

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17 minutes ago, Jockey said:

I didn't say you had! I think you are missing everyone's point though - If this was against the Glazers ownership via the rules that allowed it to happen, we'd be supportive. But we don't think it was. And that is where we agree with Souness. 

 

I would add - that if we, or anyone else wants to come up with a policy argument for altering the ownership rules to stop leverage buyouts, I'd be very supportive and back it - even if that was written by a United fan. I just don't accept that this is what they are arguing for. 

This. For me, it’s all about motives. The vested interests that make up the current football establishment are ascribing noble motives to this outbreak of criminality .... saviours of English football blah blah.... whereas most of us here just think they want to swap a parasitic billionaire owner for a more benevolent one with deeper pockets than their near neighbours.

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50 minutes ago, JohnnyH said:

I'm not saying they should ignore the "mass violence" as you called it.  Report away on it all you want. In fact, just report on that and never mention the ownership issue if they want.  My issue, as I've had to say fucking repeatedly now, was that it was said Souness was the only one talking sense, when the most important part of what he said was completely and utterly factually wrong.  And I see you have even said that in your response to me?  So crack on. 

Look, if you want to interpret drunken violence as political protest (like Neville, unlike Souness), fine. If you want to discuss the cause behind that fantasy of political protest (and thereby to justify it - like Neville, unlike Souness), fine. But then you're discussing something at best distantly related to what was actually happening then and there (like Neville, unlike Souness).

 

Personally, I don't see why we should be so charitable to that gang of Manchester United fans - or indeed the Sky Sports agenda voiced by Neville. 

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7 minutes ago, Anubis said:

While i agree with Jockey and Dave over the Utd fans, I thin k it's unfair to dismiss Johnny suggesting we should try and push for reform of football. That serial moron, Boris Johnson, has left ajar the door pursuing a populist agenda, and this may be the only chance the fans get to try and push it open. Will it fail? Probably? Is that a reason not to try? No it is not.

I am totally onboard with that! Absolutely - but I don't believe that is their intention! If that is the case - then all 20 clubs, and those in the Football League should all be signing a joint declaration and agreeing a way forward. What I see is, various clubs in the other 14 focussing on punishment and United focussing upon getting rid of the Glazers. 

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9 minutes ago, DaveT said:

This. For me, it’s all about motives. The vested interests that make up the current football establishment are ascribing noble motives to this outbreak of criminality .... saviours of English football blah blah.... whereas most of us here just think they want to swap a parasitic billionaire owner for a more benevolent one with deeper pockets than their near neighbours.

 

Yep. That is how I think it is. And why I won't support them. Removing owners without any semblance of reform is just allowing someone else to get rich on our support. 

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1 hour ago, JohnnyH said:

Fine if they do.  But the significant one that the Glazers had funded the club themselves, when they've not put a penny in and instead loaded it with debt, was wrong.  Therefore, Souness was not the "only one talking sense".  That's my point.


I didn’t mean I agreed with every single word Souness said on Sunday. But he spoke far more sense than every other pundit on sky. 
 

The Glazers did put money in when they bought the club. They have however, already taken out far more than they put up initially. 
 

I have no problem with them protesting about the leveraged buyout, I have no problem with them protesting about the state of the ground, I have no problem with them protesting about ticket prices, I have no problem them protesting about the amount of money the Glazers are taking out of the club. 
 

But don’t be so disingenuous and try making out this was about the ESL. The ESL was the trigger for the protest against the owners and getting them to sell. The ESL is already dead. 

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37 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:


You want Stig to get battered twice?
 

Only twice?

"They can pair up if they like and they can bring someone else and they can bring their fucking dinner"

 

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Re-arranged for 13th May. Their Leicester game must have been re-arranged as it was meant to be on the 12th. 

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Just now, Scott_M said:

Re-arranged for 13th May. Their Leicester game must have been re-arranged as it was meant to be on the 12th. 

Yep. They play Leicester on the 11th. They will drop loads for that in readiness for us. Cunts. 

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1 minute ago, Baresi said:

Yep. They play Leicester on the 11th. They will drop loads for that in readiness for us. Cunts. 


Yeah, just saw that and came back to post. 
 

Tossers. 

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37 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

At least Chelsea seem genuinely wound up by the ESL. 
 

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Being Chelsea fans, they’d certainly recognise one when they see one. 

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4 hours ago, Captain Turdseye said:


You want Stig to get battered twice?
 

Only twice?

Three times, then, Turds: add that Fizz girl from Corrie - she'd fuck him up good.

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5 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

The gimp has asked neville to wind his neck in about the glazers, apparently. Says it's helping no one.

Who?! 

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17 hours ago, Josef Svejk said:

That's absolute bollocks. Never in the history of broadcasting - while live mass violence is ongoing, in part directed at the actual broadcasters - have people thought: You know what, ignoring all that abuse and those flares and any potential threat to the safety of all those around us, we really ought to consider the legitimacy of these drunk fuckers' supposed grievances!

Excellent and couldn't agree more.

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