Russia v Ukraine

[clangers]

I assume this relative lull in the Russian invasion is for them to put in place overwhelming force for the final push? It's going to be truly horrific broadcast live across the internet.

[Section_31]

2 minutes ago, clangers said:

I assume this relative lull in the Russian invasion is for them to put in place overwhelming force for the final push? It's going to be truly horrific broadcast live across the internet.

They've probably ran out of fuel, they're thick as fuck.

 

Said before but it's gutting that nukes exist because the yanks would absolutely puvlerize these clowns.

[clangers]

1 hour ago, cochyn said:

Can't see it myself mate. That would be an escalation waaaay beyond his ability to control. It's control he's after - and return to a bygone state of affairs that the rest of the world has long moved on from. Reinventing Russia in a soviet image relies on maintaining a strong Russia at its core. Going nuclear would green light the rest of the world closing in on them and tearing Russia apart from all directions. There'd be plenty of takers, not least the numerous regions far from Moscow who'd gladly see the back of Putin and set up their own republics.    

There's an interesting documentary on Youtube, yes I know, from a TV programme where a former Russian and NATO general discuss the outcome of a war between NATO and Russia. All things being even and with both sides being able to arrange their forces in advance then the US primarily would win pretty easily. It would start off being pretty equal however the US has an unrivalled capability for logistics and they could also swap out front line forces without any degradation of combat power. They used the example of air power whereby the US would just be able to rotate pilots and equipment due to maintenance and losses with little deterioration in fighting ability.

 

Two problems that were stated was that it would take NATO months to assemble an appropriately large force so Russia may well not hang around waiting and that any war-game they evaluated rapidly led to a nuclear escalation.

[polymerpunkah]

14 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

Imagine if they shot him and he fell over, cracked in half and a slightly smaller Putin climbed out.

A Putin put in Putin.

 

I like it.

 

 

[ManéMan]

9 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

They've probably ran out of fuel, they're thick as fuck.

 

Said before but it's gutting that nukes exist because the yanks would absolutely puvlerize these clowns.

Looks a bit worrying for Ukraine at the minute though, even the media propaganda has gone a bit quiet 

[dockers_strike]

19 minutes ago, clangers said:

Two problems that were stated was that it would take NATO months to assemble an appropriately large force so Russia may well not hang around waiting and that any war-game they evaluated rapidly led to a nuclear escalation.

This. Many seem to forget Russia had a standing army of hundreds of thousands with equipment effectively in Eastern Europe now. NATO has some US personnel and equipment stationed here plus the UK and France. No disrespect to other European countries but many of them are probably not fit to fight.

 

In a recent NATO naval exercise, the Belgium navy had its one participating ship ejected from the exercise because the crew wasnt up to speed with the demands placed on them.

 

Half of our Type 45's have mechanical issues. That's out of a total of 6 in commission. Diamond is meeting up with HMS Trent in the Eastern Med. Trent is a fucking 'offshore patrol vessel' with a tiny gun on her bow. Im sure her crew will be valiant but in any fight, she'll  effectively be like chucking rocks at a tank!

 

As Ive stated before, Germany's air force is dilapidated. They're still using Tornados as front line fighter planse whereas we've pensioned them off. We have about 250 tanks. In the whole of the UK army.

 

The big issue for NATO will be getting US logistics 'over here' quickly if it all turns to shit.

[Em City]

51 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

He's really screwed the pooch on this Putin hasn't he, I haven't seen anyone misjudge something this badly since I cracked that disability joke at the BBC recruitment fair.

 

Saw a great comment earlier:

 

He spent decades trying to undermine the western liberal order with spectacular success.

And undid it all in less than a week.

Self own of epic proportions.

[clangers]

3 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

This. Many seem to forget Russia had a standing army of hundreds of thousands with equipment effectively in Eastern Europe now. NATO has some US personnel and equipment stationed here plus the UK and France. No disrespect to other European countries but many of them are probably not fit to fight.

 

In a recent NATO naval exercise, the Belgium navy had one of it's ships ejected from the exercise because the crew wasnt up to speed with the demands placed on them.

 

Half of our Type 45's have mechanical issues. That's out of a total of 6 in commission. Diamond is meeting up with HMS Trent in the Eastern Med. Trent is a fucking 'offshore patrol vessel' with a tiny gun on her bow. Im sure her crew will be valiant but in any fight, she'll  effectively be like chucking rocks at a tank!

 

As Ive stated before, Germany's air force is dilapidated. They're still using Tornados as front line fighter planse whereas we've pensioned them off. We have about 250 tanks. In the whole of the UK army.

 

The big issue for NATO will be getting US logistics 'over here' quickly if it all turns to shit.

Yeah very true, I'm genuinely surprised we have still have six destroyers. 

 

Another thing they pointed out in the documentary is that the majority of the US re-enforcement would have travel by sea across the Atlantic and a significant percentage would be sunk trying.

[Section_31]

4 minutes ago, Em City said:

 

Saw a great comment earlier:

 

He spent decades trying to undermine the western liberal order with spectacular success.

And undid it all in less than a week.

Self own of epic proportions.

Yep, he's literally rebuilt 'the West' in a week. What a dumb shit.

[dockers_strike]

4 minutes ago, clangers said:

Yeah very true, I'm genuinely surprised we have still have six destroyers. 

 

Another thing they pointed out in the documentary is that the majority of the US re-enforcement would have travel by sea across the Atlantic and a significant percentage would be sunk trying.

We've no destroyer build plan on the horizon. The new Glasgow, the first of the new Type 26 frigates is still on hard standing at the Clyde shipbuilders. She wont be in service for at least 2 years and the build plan is 4 or 5 years for each successor T26.

 

Richmond sailed on deployment a day or so ago. Im guessing she's headed to the North Sea or Baltic but who knows?

[halewood pete]

[M_B]

1 hour ago, clangers said:

Yeah very true, I'm genuinely surprised we have still have six destroyers. 

 

Another thing they pointed out in the documentary is that the majority of the US re-enforcement would have travel by sea across the Atlantic and a significant percentage would be sunk trying.

Really? By what?

 

Just about every Russian sub will be being tailed by this point and the US carrier groups would achieve air superiority pretty quickly. If it did escalate and NATO got involved, the Russian airforce would be decimated and those long supply columns would be a wet dream for A10 and Apache pilots.

 

(Although admittedly the Russians have a super long range air to air missile that will be a pain in the ass)

[Bjornebye]

Get some 

[Guest]

I for one hope that Russia get their arse handed to them and Ivan Drago picks Putin up by the scruff of the neck. Send the robots in.

[Grinch]

[Arniepie]

2 hours ago, clangers said:

There's an interesting documentary on Youtube, yes I know, from a TV programme where a former Russian and NATO general discuss the outcome of a war between NATO and Russia. All things being even and with both sides being able to arrange their forces in advance then the US primarily would win pretty easily. It would start off being pretty equal however the US has an unrivalled capability for logistics and they could also swap out front line forces without any degradation of combat power. They used the example of air power whereby the US would just be able to rotate pilots and equipment due to maintenance and losses with little deterioration in fighting ability.

 

Two problems that were stated was that it would take NATO months to assemble an appropriately large force so Russia may well not hang around waiting and that any war-game they evaluated rapidly led to a nuclear escalation.

I'll hold my hands up and say I havent got a clue about military strategy but what I don't get is that all this talk about the power of the American war machine yet they got their arses spanked in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Though obviously Russia would be a completely different type of warfare.

There was some ex mod fella on r4 before and he was saying whatever happens putin is a goner. 

Which may not be great news if he sees it like that.

[ManéMan]

18 minutes ago, Grinch said:

Yeah good job they're not using pebbles like those extremist Moslems

[Stouffer]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

(Although admittedly the Russians have a super long range air to air missile that will be a pain in the ass)

Their AD capabilities are pretty formidable as well.

[Arniepie]

3 hours ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Word for word, politicians make silly gaffes every time they are interviewed.  But it's obviously deeply thrilling for some to highlight the failings of a fat, lispy woman of colour, and I can't for the life of me figure out why.  

James o brien did a great piece in here a while ago.

[Ne Moe Imya]

 

Amazing to see these kinds of scenes. Chilling to imagine what will happen to these people if & when Russia wins this war. 

"Occupants!" "Go home, you fascists!" "We're unarmed! Are you going to shoot a bunch of peaceful, unarmed people?" "GO HOME! GO HOME!" "This is not Russia, you f*ckers!"

 

Safe to say that the Russians are not getting the "Ukrainians will welcome us as liberators" response they predicted. These are all Russian speakers, by the way, not Ukrainian speakers.

[Anubis]

I’m less concerned about Russia’s nukes than I am about their Goldeneye satellite.

[cochyn]

I have no words. Heart breaking.

 

Days before the war breaks out.

 

Leaving Kiev

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

23 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

Neo nazi groups have been operating in Ukraine long before this conflict with Russia, its irresponsible to pretend it isn't there. 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/28/ukrainian-fighters-grease-bullets-against-chechens-with-pig-fat

 

 

 

 

You obviously missed the footage of Neo nazi groups in Keiv training civilians, nice lads, 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

 

https://www.euronews.com/2022/02/13/ukraine-far-right-group-offers-training-to-civilians

 

He literally said "of course there are Nazis in Ukraine".

 

How do you interpret that as pretending there aren't any?

[the chimp]

There's neo-nazi groups pretty much everywhere in Europe. Some obviously more overt than others. Not that this has been said so much on here (but I have read it elsewhere) that doesn't give carte-blanche for anyone to invade. I'm a bit baffled by any support of Russia, or any whataboutery here to be honest. I have some understanding of their concerns, but they've invaded a sovereign nation. If it was wrong when the Americans do it in Iraq or wherever else, if it's wrong when the British did it with any number of nations in the past, if it's wrong to see Palestinians occupied by a foreign force, then it sure as fuck is wrong for the Russians to be doing this. Actually, I'm not even blaming the Russians here, this is all on Putin. The cunt.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

12 hours ago, bossy said:

 Putin invaded when Ukraine posed no immediate threat to Russia.

That's the bottom line, right there. 

 

There are other conversations to be had about the expansion of NATO, about "our" aggression in other wars, about the racist hypocrisy in the way European countries view refugees, about Russia's ongoing information war, about how deeply Putin-friendly money has permeated our ruling classes (even after the annexation of Crimea), etc.

 

But that one sentence above really is the top and bottom of it.