Keir Starmer

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Creator Supreme said:

If they do get fined and resign they'll have my utmost respect for showing some humility for making a mistake!

 

It's a shame the cuntbastards on the other side of the floor would never follow their example!

 

Tbh I think he only said he'd resign because after calling for Johnsons resignation he had no choice.

 

I think he'll be OK, if the same force that turned a blind eye to Cummings fined Starmer questions of Durham Police would definitely be asked.

[Numero Veinticinco]

17 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I think the people i linked have a perfectly good understanding of English. 

 

You're relying on a technicality. Yes we know he was quoting a tory and wasn't directly laughing at Corbyn himself but it was still bringing up Corbyns name in a negative sense. No need, especially considering the timing regarding Grenfell. It felt a bit cheap.

And Gnasher, if that was what was said 'well that felt a bit cheap', then I don't think I'd have had any issue with it at all. But that wasn't the type of measured reaction we saw. It was a bit cheap, but when I'm scrolling through tiktok (stop picking on me, I know you're all going to pick on me. I'm coming out as a tiktoker. I self-id as a tiktoker. It is my right) and seeing fuck loads of people going 'brilliant, he's fucking nailing Boris', then I come on here and it's like, how dare he talk about Corbyn. I think those who support Corbyn hate it, those who don't like it or don't care, and those in the middle are one way or another. It's not just 'everybody hates it'. 

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

And Gnasher, if that was what was said 'well that felt a bit cheap', then I don't think I'd have had any issue with it at all. But that wasn't the type of measured reaction we saw. It was a bit cheap, but when I'm scrolling through tiktok (stop picking on me, I know you're all going to pick on me. I'm coming out as a tiktoker. I self-id as a tiktoker. It is my right) and seeing fuck loads of people going 'brilliant, he's fucking nailing Boris', then I come on here and it's like, how dare he talk about Corbyn. I think those who support Corbyn hate it, those who don't like it or don't care, and those in the middle are one way or another. It's not just 'everybody hates it'. 

I've got no problems with people using any form of social media. Starmer was doing ok, I was on here and I don't think I saw a negative comment on his performance on Wednesday. The Corbyn comment changed the mood, not just amongst his critics but also the more moderate observers. The quip changed the narrative, and not in a good way. In my opinion it was unwise, others across the spectrum thought the same.

 

The left leaning in this country have a vote and that vote holds the same value as everyone else and we've still got a hefty chunk of left wing voters. Why upset them? 

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I've got no problems with people using any form of social media. Starmer was doing ok, I was on here and I don't think I saw a negative comment on his performance on Wednesday. The Corbyn comment changed the mood, not just amongst his critics but also the more moderate observers. The quip changed the narrative, and not in a good way. In my opinion it was unwise, others across the spectrum thought the same.

 

The left leaning in this country have a vote and that vote holds the same value as everyone else and we've still got a hefty chunk of left wing voters. Why upset them? 

You're not listening. It's not the left. It's Corbynites. These aren't the same group. There's overlap, but they're not the same group, in fact a lot of us don't like Corbynites. Lots of people liked it, celebrated it, and laughed about it. Lots of Tories thought it hit the spot. The more people praise Corbyn, the more the Tories like it. It's a vote loser. 

[Gnasher]

7 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

You're not listening. It's not the left. It's Corbynites. These aren't the same group. There's overlap, but they're not the same group, in fact a lot of us don't like Corbynites. Lots of people liked it, celebrated it, and laughed about it. Lots of Tories thought it hit the spot. The more people praise Corbyn, the more the Tories like it. It's a vote loser. 

 

I disagree, i thought Starmer's calling out the Tory backbenchers self defeating. It rallied them behind their leader. A tory gonna tory. Johnson couldn't believe his luck when Starmer brought up Corbyn, and Johnson duly smashed the ball back over the fence for a winning point. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Gnasher said:

 

I disagree, i thought Starmer's calling out the Tory backbenchers self defeating. It rallied them behind their leader. A tory gonna tory. Johnson couldn't believe his luck when Starmer brought up Corbyn, and Johnson duly smashed the ball back over the fence for a winning point. 

I totally get you disagree, I'm saying *others* thought it was great. That's the point I'm trying to make, that although you think it was self-defeating and I can certainly agree that it might have been needlessly antagonistic when taking outside the context of quoting a Tory, some others are loving it. So, ya know, I think it depends on your/our persuasion. 

 

Anyway, I guess this Durham thing is either going to do for him or be cleared up in the next week or two. Then there's the investigation into something he received as a gift or something. After that, it could be a new leader or a clean record for Starmer. 

[Bjornebye]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Unless there's a serious, concerted effort to undermine the influence of Murdock and The Mail nothing much will change. It should be priority number one. Instead of being placated they need to be confronted head on, using their own methods if necessary to target and highlight the shenanigans of their owners and top staff, there's an appetite for that now among the very feral 'msm' haters they've helped create. Led by donkeys is on the right lines as is stop funding hate, but a more concerted and professionalised effor is required.

This. As amusing as this romance is to watch blossom, we should all be expending out energies on the breakfast thread 

[Gnasher]

20 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I totally get you disagree, I'm saying *others* thought it was great. That's the point I'm trying to make, that although you think it was self-defeating and I can certainly agree that it might have been needlessly antagonistic when taking outside the context of quoting a Tory, some others are loving it. So, ya know, I think it depends on your/our persuasion. 

 

I have mentioned 'others' who hold my veiw. I've gave examples of others who hold a similar veiw on this as me. Here's the Guardians political writer John Grace, and he's not one of these 'Corbynistas' people mention. He thought Starmers Corbyn quip was suicidal. So it's not 'just' my opinion.

 

"Tortured Star Wars gags fail to free Starmer from boredom paradox | Keir Starmer | The Guardian" https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/15/tortured-star-wars-gags-fail-to-free-starmer-from-boredom-paradox

 

 

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Anyway, I guess this Durham thing is either going to do for him or be cleared up in the next week or two. Then there's the investigation into something he received as a gift or something. After that, it could be a new leader or a clean record for Starmer. 

 

I'd be amazed if Durham Police take that further but who knows these days?

[Creator Supreme]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

 

Tbh I think he only said he'd resign because after calling for Johnsons resignation he had no choice.

 

I think he'll be OK, if the same force that turned a blind eye to Cummings fined Starmer questions of Durham Police would definitely be asked.

The questions would be asked of Durham Police, then they'd disappear quite quickly as not in the public interest or some other such bollocks.

[Arniepie]

11 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

What would a strong opposition be doing/achieving? 

Consistently pointing out we have a born liar as leader for a start.

I think he has consistently let johnson off the hook for his countless disasters,it's only really party gate where he has succeeded here, imho.

[Arniepie]

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

I thought Corbyn should have stepped down in the last year, everybody could see the game was up.

I always thought the long term plan was to drag the party back to the centre left and bring through a young,hungry,competent leader who would take over.

Sadly that never worked.

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Consistently pointing out we have a born liar as leader for a start.

I think he has consistently let johnson off the hook for his countless disasters,it's only really party gate where he has succeeded here, imho.

Every time he opens his mouth he calls him a liar. Over and over and over, and it’s just rebuffed as ‘time to get over it, it was just a few parties’. I think those wanting him to just repeat he’s a liar over and over miss two things 1) he is 2) it isn’t particularly effective. 

[Arniepie]

3 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Unless there's a serious, concerted effort to undermine the influence of Murdock and The Mail nothing much will change. It should be priority number one. Instead of being placated they need to be confronted head on, using their own methods if necessary to target and highlight the shenanigans of their owners and top staff, there's an appetite for that now among the very feral 'msm' haters they've helped create. Led by donkeys is on the right lines as is stop funding hate, but a more concerted and professionalised effor is required.

Look.what happened to corbyn when he tried that. They utterly anhiliated him

So every Labour leader knows now they have to nullify that vitriol.

[Arniepie]

3 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Every time he opens his mouth he calls him a liar. Over and over and over, and it’s just rebuffed as ‘time to get over it, it was just a few parties’. I think those wanting him to just repeat he’s a liar over and over miss two things 1) he is 2) it isn’t particularly effective. 

I appreciate he is totally up against it and thanks to our relic of a political system he has been unable to call him out,I just feel there have been very few times he has had him on the ropes.

The one which sticks out is that time we saw johnsons true.colours and he lost his rag.

Thats how I see it anyway.

The vast majority of the population pay no attention to pmq  anyway

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

4 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I appreciate he is totally up against it and thanks to our relic of a political system he has been unable to call him out,I just feel there have been very few times he has had him on the ropes.

The one which sticks out is that time we saw johnsons true.colours and he lost his rag.

Thats how I see it anyway.

The vast majority of the population pay no attention to pmq  anyway

 

 

That’s definitely true, they don’t care about highlights. For me, I want an intelligent, professional person to be running the country. At the moment it’s a clown show. Entertainment seems to be what people want. A quiet man with integrity and experience running a large/important organisation is not what people want, they want want a reality show and it’s bollocks. 

[Jennings]

If they do get fined they should stay in their roles and be totally brazen about it. "Yeah fuck it. We lied. Truth doesn't matter anymore in the new regime. Johnson set the rules and we'll follow."

[Anubis]

 

Having read the back and forth of the last few pages, my considered opinion is that I’d take off and nuke Parliament from orbit while they are all still in the building.

 

I’d also carry out drone strikes on Uncle Tone and The Prince of Darkness.

 

Tear it down and start again with people who are from their local communities on a proportional representation basis.

 

I’d be tempted to make Bruce President For Life. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Unsavoury shenanigans at the Unison Conference this week. The NEC is dominated by a supposedly Socialist clique, formed around some cunt who has been sacked from his job and is facing loads of complaints from Unison members because he's got a penchant for bullying and harassment. The NEC tried to change Unison rules, specifically so he could keep his position. Conference rejected that and - convincingly - passed a motion of no confidence in the NEC. They may have to resign en bloc and stand for re-election.

 

One of their shitty little tricks earlier this week was against Angela Rayner. She had been invited to make a keynote speech to the Conference plenary - y'know, with her being a former Unison member & activist, a Unison-supported MP and the Deputy Leader of the party that Unison is affiliated to, she seems the right person to be invited to speak. The NEC decided (for whatever reason - probably some absurd and self-defeating notion of ideological purity) to "uninvite" her. She did get to speak at a fringe event, which was packed, because the members want to hear what she's got to say.

 

Solidarity, eh.

[Captain Willard]

5 hours ago, Gnasher said:

I believe he's only just sent back the questionnaire.

I think the fact that he got the questionnaire about the curry is the start of the process. He’s a lawyer so knows where this probably leads unless he tries the “it wasn’t a party” defence that Boris etc have already tried and failed with for the cake in the cabinet room episode. Very hard for the Durham police to accept that as a defence after the Met rejected it for a similar occasion.  
 

It’s ridiculous that at the end of this saga only him, Raynor and Allegra Stratton may end up actually resigning. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

I think the fact that he got the questionnaire about the curry is the start of the process. He’s a lawyer so knows where this probably leads unless he tries the “it wasn’t a party” defence that Boris etc have already tried and failed with for the cake in the cabinet room episode. Very hard for the Durham police to accept that as a defence after the Met rejected it for a similar occasion.  
 

It’s ridiculous that at the end of this saga only him, Raynor and Allegra Stratton may end up actually resigning. 

Except it wasn’t actually a party. It was a scheduled break from working at a time where rules were relaxed for election campaigning. Any attempt to liken that to what the shambles at number 10 got up to is entirely dishonest. Johnson’s defence failed because it was untrue. 

[Bruce Spanner]

31 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Unsavoury shenanigans at the Unison Conference this week. The NEC is dominated by a supposedly Socialist clique, formed around some cunt who has been sacked from his job and is facing loads of complaints from Unison members because he's got a penchant for bullying and harassment. The NEC tried to change Unison rules, specifically so he could keep his position. Conference rejected that and - convincingly - passed a motion of no confidence in the NEC. They may have to resign en bloc and stand for re-election.

 

One of their shitty little tricks earlier this week was against Angela Rayner. She had been invited to make a keynote speech to the Conference plenary - y'know, with her being a former Unison member & activist, a Unison-supported MP and the Deputy Leader of the party that Unison is affiliated to, she seems the right person to be invited to speak. The NEC decided (for whatever reason - probably some absurd and self-defeating notion of ideological purity) to "uninvite" her. She did get to speak at a fringe event, which was packed, because the members want to hear what she's got to say.

 

Solidarity, eh.

An inside track on that tells a slightly different story.

 

These goons have run roughshod over convention, frustrated, isolated and caused mayhem in their ‘ideological purity’ as you put it, so much so the that there are effectively two versions of Unison, one that’s a functioning organisation from a broad church, and a second of these clowns who do nothing but shout ‘comrade’ and ‘traitor’ at the expense of anything and everything else.

When I was saying that people had found a way to circumvent democratic procedure and protocol in the unions and the Labour NEC this is part of what I was talking about.

 

People are tearing their hair out over this shit, is ridiculous sixth form nonsense that affects the lives of the members both directly and indirectly and it’s really difficult to get rid of as they’ve stacked offices, groups etc.
 

The ‘Left’ interlopers aren’t socialist when it comes to perks, benefits and expenses either, comrade.

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

1 hour ago, Anubis said:

 

Having read the back and forth of the last few pages, my considered opinion is that I’d take off and nuke Parliament from orbit while they are all still in the building.

 

I’d also carry out drone strikes on Uncle Tone and The Prince of Darkness.

 

Tear it down and start again with people who are from their local communities on a proportional representation basis.

 

I’d be tempted to make Bruce President For Life. 

Hahaha reminds me of that flag "Don't Bomb Iraq, Nuke Manchester" and loads of dickheads calling scousers thick because the fall-out would hit Merseyside. 

 

This is the type we are dealing with. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

An inside track on that tells a slightly different story.

 

These goons have run roughshod over convention, frustrated, isolated and caused mayhem in their ‘ideological purity’ as you put it, so much so the that there are effectively two versions of Unison, one that’s a functioning organisation from a broad church, and a second of these clowns who do nothing but shout ‘comrade’ and ‘traitor’ at the expense of anything and everything else.

When I was saying that people had found a way to circumvent democratic procedure and protocol in the unions and the Labour NEC this is part of what I was talking about.

 

People are tearing their hair out over this shit, is ridiculous sixth form nonsense that affects the lives of the members both directly and indirectly and it’s really difficult to get rid of as they’ve stacked offices, groups etc.
 

The ‘Left’ interlopers aren’t socialist when it comes to perks, benefits and expenses either, comrade.

 

 

 

The worst thing is, they've probably been elected by claiming to be democratic Socialists who are all about the grass-roots.

[Bruce Spanner]

7 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The worst thing is, they've probably been elected by claiming to be democratic Socialists who are all about the grass-roots.

Nail on head.

 

A way they managed to get in to positions of relative power is to be elected  ‘champions’ or ‘representatives’ of various marginalised groups. They then need assistants etc who soak up more voting rights, capital and influence.

 

They did a right number.

 

I’ve met a few of them in passing and they’re fucking insufferable.

 

Wouldn’t know socialism if it hit them on the arse, but they’ll parrot nonsense that sounded good in the common room and shout anyone down who doesn’t share their ‘views’ despite having a tenuous understanding of anything and this is me being generous.

 

The Raynor stuff is just batshit and shows how utterly fucking dumb these clowns are.

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Unsavoury shenanigans at the Unison Conference this week. The NEC is dominated by a supposedly Socialist clique, formed around some cunt who has been sacked from his job and is facing loads of complaints from Unison members because he's got a penchant for bullying and harassment. The NEC tried to change Unison rules, specifically so he could keep his position. Conference rejected that and - convincingly - passed a motion of no confidence in the NEC. They may have to resign en bloc and stand for re-election.

 

One of their shitty little tricks earlier this week was against Angela Rayner. She had been invited to make a keynote speech to the Conference plenary - y'know, with her being a former Unison member & activist, a Unison-supported MP and the Deputy Leader of the party that Unison is affiliated to, she seems the right person to be invited to speak. The NEC decided (for whatever reason - probably some absurd and self-defeating notion of ideological purity) to "uninvite" her. She did get to speak at a fringe event, which was packed, because the members want to hear what she's got to say.

 

Solidarity, eh.

Got to admire your perseverance Angry. You're a better man than most, you're definitely a better man than me.