Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[VladimirIlyich]

If Labour ape the Tories what difference does it make which one gets power other than choosing because of old loyalties. You couldnt tell most from the other based on how they have voted or abstained these last few year. They are all terrified the media might turn on them. The likes of Murdoch totally own this country's mind. I want an anti austerity opposition but most of Labour wont do that cos they are shit scared the media will call them nasty names.

This.

 

Careerist politicians who care only about themselves and not the people they are paid to serve.

I am pretty sure that if there was a younger version of Corbyn who had the same political ideals then Corbyn would most likely step down. The problem is that there dont appear to be any Labour MPs who are Socialists any more.

Whatever any idiots accuse Corbyn of there is no doubt he is among the most honest and decent men around,and in today's Parliament that is viewed as a weakness. Sad fuckin times.

[Sugar Ape]

Whats with the attitude mate ?

I'm just getting pissed off with having to repeat myself all the time defending my position. I think by now I've laid my argument out about 30 times.

 

I just want the whole thing over with now and either him gone or the party split and then take it from there.

[Sugar Ape]

Power is pointless if you're only offering austerity though. To people who have little or nothing cutting their benefit by 50p a week as opposed to £1 per week means nothing when their already relying on a food bank. At least Corbyn wants to address this.

 

If I thought Jarvis would come out and say on the economy, welfare,NHS and education that he's prioritise them and try something to boost spending on them like PQE. Something which kickstarts infrastructure and social housing, while upping employment in ares like construction, then I'd vote for him.

 

But I don't think he will. I think we're going to hear exactly what we heared before Corbyn about following Gideon down the austerity route.

I actually think Jarvis would be more like Ed Miliband in his policies, but hopefully not as inept, which I could get behind. If the economy tanks as bad as some people predict then I don't see how we are not going to lose jobs and see pay drop no matter who is in charge.

 

Increasingly though I'm thinking the next election isn't going to be decided on traditional policies, even ones as important as austerity. We're in uncharted waters here, jobs are going to go by the thousands, the pound will continue to drop, the U.K. looks likely to split and there are deep divisions in almost all sections of society. Fuck knows what will be the vote winning policies going forward.

[Bobby Hundreds]

We need this guy

 

 

For weeks all opinion polls and all responsible commentators had been predicting that there was no hope of the Labour Party being elected on a programme like this. Ever since Harry Perkins had been chosen to lead Labour at a tumultuous party conference two years earlier, the popular press had been saying that this proved what they had always argued – namely that the Labour Party was in the grip of a Marxist conspiracy. Privately the rulers of the great corporations had been gleeful, for they had convinced themselves that the British people were basically moderate and that, however rough the going got, they would never elect a Labour government headed by the likes of Harry Perkins.”

 

​unfortunately this is real life. 

[RoboRiise]

I'm thinking he's more like the High sparrow.

 

Now, in the Labour GOT stakes, who would Diane Abbott be?

 

Well if it pans out the way it looks like it might, she's probably the Septa who will be spending the rest of her blessedly short life with Gregor Clegane a foot up her.

[Rotpeter]

You have to try and get the press onside in some form and not present them with open goals like Ed fucking Miliband time after time. You don't have to like that but it's the way the world works. And no, I don't think it's going to change any time soon or enough people look at alternate news outlets to make the slightest difference. Perception matters to a lot of voters. I know some of you think you can win an election by speaking to people who already support you in town halls but that's not something I subscribe to.

 

The reason Ed Miliband didn't get elected had nothing to do with his policies, most were popular like ending Non Dom status. It was because he couldn't eat a bacon butty and said " hell yeah " when asked if he could win whilst looking like a fucking mong.

 

Jarvis is an ex captain in the army, he's a hard target to sling shit at and he's got experience at leading people which Corbyn hasn't. So yeah I'd much rather have him as the leader, if that's ok with you like.

 

 

Mate, this is all just an intellectual exercise for you. It won't really affect you either way not living here but a Johnson government is going to decimate the lives of thousands of people and my main prioity is either stopping him being elected or getting rid of him as soon as possible once he's elected. I don't believe Corbyn can do either of those things. I don't think we can try and wait 3-4 years in the vague hope his message gains some traction.

 

Again, like I've said over and over if you, or anyone else, believes Corbyn is building some mass movement that can eventually deliver a socialist government then fine, that's your opinion. I think I've got more change of rimming Shakira than that happening though so I want a new leader who stands a better chance of getting rid of the Tories.

You're not stopping anyone, you're just proposing a soporific.

 

Whoever spins the washington consensus best wins the next election.

 

There has to be another way (a fourth way? )

[Anubis]

 

BBC Newsnight

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BBC Newsnight‏ @BBCNewsnight

45 out of 50 constituency Labour party chairs contacted by #newsnight say they still back Jeremy Corbyn - and many are furious at Labour MPs

[Sugar Ape]

You're not stopping anyone, you're just proposing a soporific.

 

Whoever spins the washington consensus best wins the next election.

 

There has to be another way (a fourth way? )

Maybe there is another way but I don't think it's going to be delivered by Corbyn.

[bonesman]

Jeremy Corbyn is the only man who can solve Britain’s post-Brexit problems

 

Interesting read for the yea's and the nay's alike.

[Jairzinho]

BBC Newsnight

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BBC Newsnight‏ @BBCNewsnight

45 out of 50 constituency Labour party chairs contacted by #newsnight say they still back Jeremy Corbyn - and many are furious at Labour MPs

 

Fucking Commies.

[Boss]

This.

 

Careerist politicians who care only about themselves and not the people they are paid to serve.

I am pretty sure that if there was a younger version of Corbyn who had the same political ideals then Corbyn would most likely step down. The problem is that there dont appear to be any Labour MPs who are Socialists any more.

Whatever any idiots accuse Corbyn of there is no doubt he is among the most honest and decent men around,and in today's Parliament that is viewed as a weakness. Sad fuckin times.

 

Exactly, we have a party were 184 labour MP's refused to vote against the £12 billion in welfare cuts imposed by the Tories which included, caps on welfare, abolishing legally binding child poverty targets, cuts to children's tax credits, cuts to ESA, cuts to housing benefit for young people. Corbyn voted against it mind.

 

The whole party abstained from voting against the snoopers charter. Only 6 of them voted against trident, one of which was Dennis Skinner. More of them voted for trident than against. They're all careerists and there's barely any difference between the mass majority of them and the bench opposite in the house of commons. 

 

[Brownie]

Anyone else seen that leaked Tory email about Johnson and Gove?

 

"Dacre Murdoch".

 

*shudders*

[Lee909]

Soon to be British Polotics

 

[Brownie]

"Crucially, the membership will not have the necessary reassurance to back Boris, neither will Dacre/Murdoch, who instinctively dislike Boris but trust your ability enough to support a Boris Gove ticket."

[Gnasher]

It's obvious you cannot fight the political law in this country, they have it set in stone, they win,

 

 

 

 

Them traitors do not deserve to hear a track as good as this.

[Rotpeter]

Maybe there is another way but I don't think it's going to be delivered by Corbyn.

Oh, it will never be delivered with Corbyn.  There's little doubt of that.  He hasn't even realized that the mainstream has moved so far right, that he's a radical now and needs to present his message as such.  Shaping electoral preferences, instead of just picking them off the top of polls.

 

The problem is finding a way forward from here that doesn't involve institutionalizing neoliberal orthodoxy.

[Sugar Ape]

From some ITV political editor or something. I do wonder if he's got the stomach for this. If he hasn't then there is no way one of his allies will get enough support to get on the ballot paper, which is a pity because I'd like to see Clive Lewis at least get the chance to stand and put his views across.

 

 

Chris Ship

Chris Ship – Verified account ‏@chrisshipitv

 

NEW: Just been told Corbyn has said in the last day he wants out, he's had enough. But his Dir of Comms @SeumasMilne told him he should stay

[Gnasher]

Cameron wants Corbyn to go.... for the sake of the country,

 

 

oh do fuck off.

[Jairzinho]

[bonesman]

From some ITV political editor or something. I do wonder if he's got the stomach for this. If he hasn't then there is no way one of his allies will get enough support to get on the ballot paper, which is a pity because I'd like to see Clive Lewis at least get the chance to stand and put his views across.

 

 

Chris Ship

Chris Ship – Verified account ‏@chrisshipitv

 

NEW: Just been told Corbyn has said in the last day he wants out, he's had enough. But his Dir of Comms @SeumasMilne told him he should stay

 

I wouldnt blame Corbyn if he wanted to go to be fair, poor fellas 70yo and taking serious abuse from all angles.  Sorry Labour party your done for. You let the poxy media set the agenda and now your fcked.

[Boss]

 

What a cunt.

[Sugar Ape]

I do worry about his health. There was a picture of him before being dragged away by his aides so he didn't have to answer questions and he just looked really vulnerable.

 

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[RoboRiise]

 

That's terrible.  So tell me; a general election capaign - do you think it would be less vicious than that, or more?

[Jairzinho]

That's terrible.  So tell me; a general election capaign - do you think it would be less vicious than that, or more?

 

From who?

 

The PLP? 

 

If he stays, obviously, it depends how many of this lot he fucks off.

 

You're right though, I could imagine a lot of this PLP fighting against their own leader during an election campaign.

[bonesman]

That's terrible.  So tell me; a general election capaign - do you think it would be less vicious than that, or more?

It hits harder coming from your own I reckon.