Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[sir roger]

43 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

You don't think going from 3.3% to 12.3% in a seat where we had practically no campaign suggests we're benefitting from the failures of others?

I think that getting 3.3% in any election is shocking for the nominal 3rd party in the UK and getting 12.3 % on a lower vote is pretty ordinary for a party suggesting they are the main leave party. I can’t see Labour or Tories remaining I n such a vulnerable state as at present so I think it is a worrying Lib Dem result , whether you campaigned or not ( and that’s not a positive if you are hoping for power , that you couldn’t be bothered ).

[moof]

53 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

You don't think going from 3.3% to 12.3% in a seat where we had practically no campaign suggests we're benefitting from the failures of others?

You’ve become a one issue party. You’re yellow UKIP. 

[Strontium]

6 minutes ago, moof said:

You’ve become a one issue party. You’re yellow UKIP. 

 

That's pretty funny coming from a Labour supporter. You've banged on about nothing but so-called austerity since 2010.

 

Brexit is the most important issue, and biggest threat to our way of life, for a generation. I'm glad someone is treating it as such.

[moof]

“So-called austerity”? You are hilarious, mate. Truly

[Jairzinho]

6 minutes ago, moof said:

“So-called austerity”? You are hilarious, mate. Truly

So called nurses going to food banks and so called disabled people commiting suicide.

 

Stronts posts are much better if you accept it's a parody account.

[Rico1304]

 

[Chairman Meow]

No it will be fine Rico, the stuff about regulations that I was on about on here ages ago which they've also mentioned is nonsense. The rest of the world will just bow down to our superiority, we used to have an empire don't you know, at least until those uppity foreigners forgot what was best for them and decided they didn't want it.

 

Anyway, what the fuck would the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders know about what affects selling and making cars? They clearly can't know as much as  genius like Boris or the clearly insightful and not at all disingenuous Farage.

 

As I was saying ages ago on the regulations thing we're going to be bound by them anyway if we still want to sell to the EU (and surely everyone no matter where they lie in the debate realizes we still will have to sell to our biggest export market) means we're stuck with it anyway. Just like the rest of the world is stuck with making right hand drive cars if they want to sell here.

 

The biggest issue I see on the regulations side is simply that British Standards probably can't cope, much of the regulatory side was just ceded to the EU and had almost no oversight by the UK, something none of the politicians want to admit while they are slagging the EU of for something that they simply ignored. 

 

With the fire safety side of things we had waiting times of several months to get things tested for approval as there was one person available to test our kit. If she was off you couldn't even get a simple query answered as she was the only person who knew about those regulations. 

 

At the moment you can also use the European testing houses, but if British regs then don't match theirs it may not be possible. Unless we have the European testing houses also testing for things to come over here if we do indeed have our own regs.

 

We're going to end up like Swanson sorting out his workshop, "no we're making people manufacture things to the British regulations, if that happens to overlap with the EU regulations......"

 

 

 

[Section_31]

The Brexit party is yet another manufactured anomaly by the media, just like Robinson.

 

"Oooh Westminster voting intention puts them ahead of the main parties".

 

Yeah okay mate.

 

Just a thoroughly dishonest political media landscape now and its only impulse is to create tomorrow's stories regardless of what problems it causes people. 

[skend04]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/08/thornberry-may-face-reshuffle-after-labour-split-on-new-brexit-vote

 

Back what your membership wants and you could end up with the sack.

 

Oh Jeremy Corbyn!

[sir roger]

I quite like Thornberry , despite her White Van Man gaffe , but she was quite clearly making a play to put herself in pole position to take over from Jeremy Corbyn if electoral votes went against him , and generally  leaders do not take kindly to that sort of thing. I personally hope these rumours are a shot across her bows and it doesn't actually happen.

 

Watson & Starmer worry me a lot more than Emily.

[lifetime fan]

20 minutes ago, sir roger said:

I quite like Thornberry , despite her White Van Man gaffe , but she was quite clearly making a play to put herself in pole position to take over from Jeremy Corbyn if electoral votes went against him , and generally  leaders do not take kindly to that sort of thing. I personally hope these rumours are a shot across her bows and it doesn't actually happen.

 

Watson & Starmer worry me a lot more than Emily.

 

Thornberry is an extremely intelligent and gifted woman. She’s just a shit politician. 

 

When/if Corbyn steps aside Starmer is the only candidate qualified to take over and win a GE. 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

7 hours ago, skend04 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/08/thornberry-may-face-reshuffle-after-labour-split-on-new-brexit-vote

 

Back what your membership wants and you could end up with the sack.

 

Oh Jeremy Corbyn!

Where is the evidence that is what Labour members want? I’ve had a look and all I can see is some Labour MP’s offering opinion rather than factual evidence.

[mattyq]

13 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Where is the evidence that is what Labour members want? I’ve had a look and all I can see is some Labour MP’s offering opinion rather than factual evidence.

We should deffo have a vote of Labour members to settle Brexit policy

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 hours ago, skend04 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/08/thornberry-may-face-reshuffle-after-labour-split-on-new-brexit-vote

 

Back what your membership wants and you could end up with the sack.

 

Oh Jeremy Corbyn!

Just an anti-Corbyn paper trying to stir up trouble. 

 

The members get the chance to say what Brexit policy they want at Conference;  Corbyn is absolutely backing what the members want.

[Moo]

I think Labour's problem is, rightly or wrongly, they've not adjusted policy, or the communication of, with expectation.  The debate has now moved so far away from a "sensible" Brexit that the Labour leadership protestations against a no deal Brexit don't seem quite enough.  I know they've repeated numerous times that they're against no deal, and a "damaging Tory Brexit" but the latter could be viewed as ambiguous.  Labour need to be clearer and more importantly louder about their Brexit position because if they can get people to read or listen past the headlines it's not unclear at all. 

[sir roger]

5 hours ago, lifetime fan said:

 

Thornberry is an extremely intelligent and gifted woman. She’s just a shit politician. 

 

When/if Corbyn steps aside Starmer is the only candidate qualified to take over and win a GE. 

Starmer was a chicken coup member & is as thick as thieves with Watson , so he would take us straight back to Blairite orthodoxy.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Moo said:

I think Labour's problem is, rightly or wrongly, they've not adjusted policy, or the communication of, with expectation.  The debate has now moved so far away from a "sensible" Brexit that the Labour leadership protestations against a no deal Brexit don't seem quite enough.  I know they've repeated numerous times that they're against no deal, and a "damaging Tory Brexit" but the latter could be viewed as ambiguous.  Labour need to be clearer and more importantly louder about their Brexit position because if they can get people to read or listen past the headlines it's not unclear at all. 

It doesn't help that all the right-wing papers, plus the Guardian, deliberately misrepresent Labour’s position. 

[Strontium]

Labour's policy on Europe is like quantum mechanics, if you think you understand it you don't understand it.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

It’s always been here. Nothing has changed. Why are people so confused? 

 

https://labour.org.uk/issues/labours-plan-brexit/

[aRdja]

27 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

It’s always been here. Nothing has changed. Why are people so confused? 

 

https://labour.org.uk/issues/labours-plan-brexit/

As Barry Gardiner eloquently put it today

 

 

[Strontium]

https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/05/01/labour-s-manifesto-decision-is-another-cynical-act-of-constr

 

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So now we know. Labour's manifesto for the European election will be just as garbled and meaningless as its existing policy. After weeks of debate, they are simply reiterating their plan to hold open the "option" of a public vote if they can't get their own deal or a general election.

 

This is evasive to the point of dishonesty. They're now aggravating the uncertainty of their conference policy by committing it to their election manifesto.

And things are no better on the Tory side. It's not even clear if they can produce a manifesto. With less than a month to go before the European elections, neither government nor opposition has a clear plan for their candidates to stand behind. Labour seems to be running two opposing campaigns while the Conservatives aren't competing at all.

Brexit has sucked out any content or meaning from the British electoral system. A vote for either of the main parties means putting your name to an utterly incoherent position. If you’re sufficiently invested in the European project to vote in its elections, but would nevertheless like to withdraw from the whole thing: vote Conservative. If you believe we should both be supporting an alternative Brexit and seeking to stop it: vote Labour.
 
Voters on all sides face a difficult decision, then: attempt to decipher the mixed signals coming from both parties, and risk your vote being completely misinterpreted, or lend your support to another party and risk splitting the vote.
 
This is the long sorry consequence of Brexit's fundamental meaninglessness. After all, it was the ambiguity of the original referendum question that got us into this nightmare. What kind of Brexit did people want? We never asked. Leave was all things to all people. So we spent three years tearing ourselves apart over it. And now we risk letting ambiguity embolden a Brexit that nobody voted for three years ago and nobody wants now.

[aRdja]

Even though I voted remain, if Labour want to win the next election, looking at the success of the recent Brexit party, Labour MPs should be more elusive when pressed about the second referendum, and make it the Tories’ problem.

[Bjornebye]

Nope. They should pledge either remain or a second referendum. 

 

I agree with democracy when people get to vote for what they fucking know not a pipe dream. 

[aRdja]

5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Nope. They should pledge either remain or a second referendum. 

 

I agree with democracy when people get to vote for what they fucking know not a pipe dream. 

The Brexit party’s landslide win confirmed the intention of the British public IMO. They received more votes than UKIP did in the previous election. 

[Bjornebye]

8 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

The Brexit party’s landslide win confirmed the intention of the British public IMO. They received more votes than UKIP did in the previous election. 

No-one was arsed because what was he point in it? A general election is inevitable. Those with brains didn't bother. 

 

To be fair, same with the referendum in 2016 because no-one thought anyone was thick enough to vote for Brexit. Unfortunately we live on an island full of thick cunts. 

 

I can't cope.