January Sell Out: Who would you rid and why?

[Guest simon]

Babel

Babel

Babel

Babel

Babel

Get rid' Get rid' Get rid

He's shite, At least the other's show some heart. He doesn't deserve to be here.

[Paul]

Assuming (ridiculously, I know - but this is an entirely hypothetical thread) that Rafa would get all the money back to spend, I'd listen to offers for every player on the books bar Pepe, Carra, Johnson, Gerrard, Torres, Benayoun and Aquilani (I suppose - although I'd definitely think about accepting our money back).

 

However, in the real world, I'd ditch the utter dross that's clogging up the wage bill and potentially blocking the path to the first team of our youngsters, regardless of what happened to the income. So, Cavalieri, Voronin, The Greek, Babel, Degen, Dossena, El Zhar and Plessis can all go straight away. I know the goalkeeping situation could then be considered precarious (despite Pepe's great fitness record), but you're allowed emergency loans for keepers.

[Vulmea]

Looking at the pro's on our books I think you could get shut of 25/26 players including two full teams from 1 to eleven

 

Carvalieri, Degen, Dossena, Kyrgiakos, San Jose, Plessis, Spearing, el Zhar, Voronin, Babel, Reira

 

Itandje/Mihaylov/Hansen, Mendy, Insua, Threlfall, Darby, Duran, Weijl, Flora, Nemeth, Brouwer, Bruna

 

wages alone would save us millions and we'd still have 3 other teams, it would create opportunities for the kids to step into the stiffs and the stiffs to come into the squad - finding someone to take all of them them may be a problem mind

[Unrighteous]

1. Dossena

2. Babel

3. Voronin

4. Degen

5. El Zhar

6. Plessis

 

They are all shit. At least Lucas serves a purpose.

 

7. Cavalieri - Not needed and probably on decent wages

8. Riera - if he can be replaced by someone with pace greater than a snail.

 

Finally:

9. Lucas, if he can be replaced by a taller, non-shit player.

[Strontium]

I think the shorter list would be who wouldn't I get rid of.

 

However, wanting to get rid of players and actually achieving that are two separate things. We seem to be unique in the world of football for clogging up our squad with utter garbage on megabucks wages with no resale value.

 

I can sit here and say I would sell Babel, Voronin, Dossena, Degen, El Zhar, Plessis, Riera, Plessis etc etc, but who is going to take any of these guys, even on free transfers? They're so bad they barely even deserve to be called footballers.

 

This is an exercise in futility.

[Torvald Utne]

Riera....I like his ability but not the way he refuses to use it, I don't think there's an issue with his pace either. But he can fuck off if he doesn't start putting some effort in.

[Section_31]

I'd happily light the fuse to fire everyone except Reina, Torres, Gerrard, Masch, Johnson, Carra, Benayoun, Skrtel and Agger out of a giant circus cannon - because they're really shit.

[Walton Park]

My choice will probably be laughed at but I think Mascherano.

And the reason being that he wants to leave anyway so we may as well sell him for the right money. We are fucking desperate for a centre forward and he is the only player that could generate cash to sign someone decent.

I cannot see the club giving the manager cash in January so I think its something we may have to do. He is going to go sooner or later with the horrors that are his agents so we may as well do it now. We cannot go on with Ngog as our best back up striker. I am prepared to live with Lucas,Gerrard and Aquilani for midfield with the youngsters(Spearing, Plessis) included and Masherano to go in exchange for a decent forward.

 

In a prefect world we could just go out and buy a forward but thats not going to happen is it.

[Walton Park]

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I think that's a case of "you should have let me go to Barcelona".

 

Forgot about Riera, he can go and fuck right off. Albert 'me mates left for Madrid so I cant be arsed playing now' Riera.

[Trumo]

Here's my take on things, focussing on the "why".

 

Voronin. Hasn't been included in the past few squads despite Rafa's selection problems, so it suggests he's not got a future here. I'm sure a number of Bundesliga clubs are interested as he has a tidy record in Germany, but whether they are prepared to pay cash is another matter, as opposed to just wanting him on loan. Having him on a contract when he's playing for other clubs on loan is pointless. Leopard prints might be more popular there than here, and the healthcare system is more to his liking.

 

Dossena. Has made comments about needing to play to have a chance of making Italy's World Cup squad, and is unlikely to get it here. Another who has frequently been omitted from the squad (even when Aurelio was out!) so would have a better future elsewhere. I do think he is a good player believe it or not, just not in our squad, or in England. He would probably get his mojo back by returning to Serie A. However, I would again prefer a straight sale rather than a loan deal or else we could be here again next season.

 

Plessis. Seems to be one of a number of reserves who have stagnated considerably (I would put Stephen Darby in that category also) and just seems to be going through the motions. If the rumours about his attitude and the supposed favouritism he receives are true, then that needs to be nipped in the bid sharpish. He's like Momo Sissoko without the drive or energy, so I can only think he was offered a new contract so he has some resale value. He would be better off moving back to France to see if he can pick his career up again. Well it worked for Alou Diarra didn't it?

 

Babel and Degen should be kept and reassessed in the summer, assuming Degen doesn't break down for the umpteenth time. Both are likely to be included in their national teams' World Cup squads so could yet be in demand from a few clubs in Europe, so again there is more possibility to cash in.

 

But hey, it's not up to me.

[cracker]

Agree with a lot of this thread - my main question concerns Degen - cos imo he is a bit different to the others being named.

 

For instance is he injured again now? - cos since he was sent off V Fulham there has been no sign of him as far as I know. But actually on the pitch he has looked OK (yeah I know its all relative - but compared to most of the rest of the list), his biggest problem is obvious his tendency to be injured all the time. In fact he could be seen as a decent back up for both Glen or the wide right position - so I would not sell him but the rest I would - and Babel would be at the top of the list!! (altho in fairness I saw his interview yesterday on LFCTV and thought once again what he said showed that the Sun had behaved disgracefully)

[Unrighteous]

Cracker, with Degen, Martin Kelly can do his job better defensively, and Martin showed some good forward movement as well.

 

Whilst cutting his teeth as a right back, Kelly will gain experience that will carry into his real position of CB.... just like Carragher (except Kelly is 6'3")

[PaulMcC]

I don't think Degen has been that bad and fans were very hypocritical giving him shit after a game or two and not treating others the same.

 

I agree with Unrighteous though, Kelly looks a promising player so i'd like him as back up to Johnson cos it will do him good and he'll be better bet long term. So, if someoen makes an offer for Degen, I'd take it.

[RedKnight]

There's so many that I don't even want to think about it.

[zigackly]

If it was players who I don't think will ever be good enough for us even as squad players, I would say Voronin, Babel, Dossena, Degen, El Zhar and Plessis just for starters. I still think our thin squad means we shouldn't bin anyone off in January unless we're bringing one or two in though, even from that list.

[cracker]

Kelly? - in the first team he's played V Lyon and thats about it isn't it. He was OK but not so good that you'd think 'real class act - will be our right back for years'.

 

We were not put that under pressure defensively in that match but you're right in that I can remember no ricks he made and also he did do one superb cross for Aurelio to nearly score just after we took the lead so his debut was certainly credit worthy but he's so young I'd want to see a lot more before I passed judgement.

 

Degen certainly V Leeds, Arsenal and even Fulham looked one of our better performers in each of the games - good attacking wise and by no means disastrous defensively, but if he is injured again I despair!! - nobody answered my question - is he injured now or just not selected?

[Torvald Utne]

the only game he's been eligible for since the (unfair) sending off was the blackburn game where he wasn't in the squad.....I know this doesn't answer your question but it's all i can manage

[JMARKH]

Lucas just so he wouldn't start in our midfield.

[Red Nick]

My choice will probably be laughed at but I think Mascherano.

And the reason being that he wants to leave anyway so we may as well sell him for the right money. We are fucking desperate for a centre forward and he is the only player that could generate cash to sign someone decent.

I cannot see the club giving the manager cash in January so I think its something we may have to do. He is going to go sooner or later with the horrors that are his agents so we may as well do it now. We cannot go on with Ngog as our best back up striker. I am prepared to live with Lucas,Gerrard and Aquilani for midfield with the youngsters(Spearing, Plessis) included and Masherano to go in exchange for a decent forward.

 

In a prefect world we could just go out and buy a forward but thats not going to happen is it.

 

Mascherano was number one on my list

[Brownie]

If Rafa was able to spend the money he generated through sales, i'd certainly listen to offers for the following:

 

Degen

Insua

Dossena

Ayala

Krygiakos

Kuyt

Babel

Riera

El Zhar

Lucas

Mascherano (purely because of the size of fee)

Plessis

N'Gog

Voronin

 

That's a scary list of mediocre players, in my opinion.

[Sangria]

Most of agree on the ones who we would let go and it is a sad state of affairs how many are on the list.

 

Sad state of affairs.

[Unrighteous]

Kelly? - in the first team he's played V Lyon and thats about it isn't it. He was OK but not so good that you'd think 'real class act - will be our right back for years'.

 

We were not put that under pressure defensively in that match but you're right in that I can remember no ricks he made and also he did do one superb cross for Aurelio to nearly score just after we took the lead so his debut was certainly credit worthy but he's so young I'd want to see a lot more before I passed judgement.

 

Degen certainly V Leeds, Arsenal and even Fulham looked one of our better performers in each of the games - good attacking wise and by no means disastrous defensively, but if he is injured again I despair!! - nobody answered my question - is he injured now or just not selected?

 

Degen is on the same wages as Mascherano, right now. Thats why Degen must be moved.

[Red Nick]

Degen is on the same wages as Mascherano, right now. Thats why Degen must be moved.

 

The reality with Degen is we will have to pay him to leave

[B3n]

Plesis

Voronin

Kuyt

Babel

 

That will do.

[Unrighteous]

The reality with Degen is we will have to pay him to leave

 

We'll have to pay a portion of his wages, I think, but a transfer fee should cover a lot of that