The smoking ban.

[Guest davelfc]

Bullshit. Most smokers will not smoke around their kids, but that's irrelevant. The law cannot stop them if they do, so the law is pointless. Also, it's not even the main agenda here. They use the kids argument because it's emotive and it gets people with small brains spitting out their cornflakes all over the front page of their Daily Mail. They want a ban on smoking in cars - whether there are kids in there or not. I'm now a non-smoker, but I can see that this is just another step towards their ultimate goal of forcing everyone to behave how they think you should behave. If people want to smoke on their own in their own cars, why the fuck shouldn't they?

 

I don't have a problem with them banning people from smoking in cars, it's another distraction. But I'd prefer them to tackle the standard of driving and people using mobile phones while driving first.

 

It's sad when governments have to legislate for idiocy, helmet laws, seat belt laws and the like. it shows just how stupid and selfish people can be. I think (as usual) you're throwing some petrol on a thread and enjoying the heat it brings. Makes me laugh sometimes so carry on.

 

In answer to an earlier point about rural pubs, (lifetime fan) I suppose they should be grateful they still get to shag their brothers and sisters.

[lifetime fan]

Because there's no middle ground to be had here is there? Like letting people choose for themselves. Like letting smokers provide somewhere for other smokers and non-smokers avoiding those places? Idiot.

 

ps. You negged.

 

My post was in response to an idiotic response, much like yours, so I accept the neg with honour!

 

Smoking is a fucking vile habit that causes uncomfort, illness, misery and at worse death causing conditions.

 

I completely agree it should be allowed and have no problem with smokers as such (as my Father and Brother would prove!) but not in areas that cause ill health to others.

 

Seeing as your argument is so piss poor answer my point.

 

Would you let an HIV lepper wank over your child?

[Elmyn Noos]

Evidence?

 

What a pile of fucking clap trap!

 

I actually know a director of a brewing company that have specialised in both 'family pubs' (yes those fun factory shitholes!) and 'pubs' that have seen increased profits every single year since the ban.

 

There is plenty of evidence for the harm the smoking ban has had on proper pubs - probably not the sort of places the juice bar brigade would dare set foot in, but places that have been around for hundreds of years and were doing nobody any harm whatsoever.

[lifetime fan]

There is plenty of evidence for the harm the smoking ban has had on proper pubs - probably not the sort of places the juice bar brigade would dare set foot in, but places that have been around for hundreds of years and were doing nobody any harm whatsoever.

 

So you are not prepared to answer the question?

[Elmyn Noos]

I don't have a problem with them banning people from smoking in cars, it's another distraction. But I'd prefer them to tackle the standard of driving and people using mobile phones while driving first.

 

It's sad when governments have to legislate for idiocy, helmet laws, seat belt laws and the like. it shows just how stupid and selfish people can be. I think (as usual) you're throwing some petrol on a thread and enjoying the heat it brings. Makes me laugh sometimes so carry on.

 

In answer to an earlier point about rural pubs, (lifetime fan) I suppose they should be grateful they still get to shag their brothers and sisters.

 

They don't have to legislate for idiocy - the legislation would be idiocy! It would be virtually unenforceable and it would have no direct impact whatsoever on their stated objectives. It would be a complete waste of time. I can't believe these out of touch fuckwits get paid for coming up with this shit.

[Elmyn Noos]

So you are not prepared to answer the question?

 

Which question? Profer a question and I'll answer it.

 

You answer this - aside from furthering the persecution of smokers, what tangible benefit could possibly come from the banning of smoking in cars?

[Guest davelfc]

They don't have to legislate for idiocy - the legislation would be idiocy! It would be virtually unenforceable and it would have no direct impact whatsoever on their stated objectives. It would be a complete waste of time. I can't believe these out of touch fuckwits get paid for coming up with this shit.

 

It depends if you believe that smoking in a car with kids in is safe or that there are actually people doing that. I've already said that I believe smoking in a car is a distraction, and because I don't smoke I'm in favour of banning them.

 

I hardly think this is the thin edge of any wedge but I can understand why some would say it was.

[Elmyn Noos]

It depends if you believe that smoking in a car with kids in is safe or that there are actually people doing that. I've already said that I believe smoking in a car is a distraction, and because I don't smoke I'm in favour of banning them.

 

I hardly think this is the thin edge of any wedge but I can understand why some would say it was.

 

No, it doesn't. Nobody believes that - smokers or non-smokers. What I'm saying is that if someone is going to smoke in front of their kids, they will, and you can't stop them. Banning smoking in cars won't make a blind bit of difference.

 

I don't smoke. I'm in favour of the freedom of choice. If I was in favour of banning everything I didn't like, we wouldn't have to suffer the poppy shit every year, and no-one would own a cat. However, I can see that they mean something to some people so although it is not my cup of tea, I wouldn't supprt it's banning.

[Jairzinho]

Lets get the coalition to enforce smoking on it's subjects to recover the economy then shall we?

 

Enforce smoking?

[Elmyn Noos]

Enforce smoking?

 

I think that is actually a great idea. It would man-up a generation of grooming metrosexual wankers, and restore smoking to its rightful place as the epitome of cool.

 

I've said before on this very forum, I have felt like a bit of a pussy since I quit the smokes, and am always quick to point out to anyone from whom I decline the offer of a cigarette that I did used to smoke but quit recently - just in case they think I'm a "non-smoker". I'd rather they thought I was a nonce.

[md1892]

There's some fucking shite written on this, predominately by non smokers, surprise, surprise.

 

I'd have a lot more respect for government if they banned smoking outright instead of the this attitude of 'we'll take the tax off you for it, but don't do it'.

 

Ash - the anti-smoking organisation want fucking off completely especially as it is paid for by our taxes and not a charitable organisation.

 

Tax on tobacco raises in excess of £8bn per year (not including the VAT)

It is estimated that smoking related illnesses cost the NHS around £3bn.

 

So as a smoker I've fucking paid for my treatment and that of several others.

 

That does not take into account that smokers generally die younger, so there is a saving there for a start, again not including state pension outlay etc.

 

Anyone who smokes in a confined area with their kids is a cunt, banning it in cars isn't going to affect that type of persons attitude.

 

Smoking ban in pubs, if you genuinely believe this has helped the pub industry in anyway you are deluded.

 

I hail originally from a town of around 20,000 in the middle of nowhere. This town used to have some kind of national record as it had 52 pubs, giving a low person pub ratio.

 

Within 18 months of the smoking ban 30 of these pubs had closed, some went within 3 months others prolonged the inevitable for a few more months.

 

What next ? They should start a fucking fat tax on on places like MacDonald's, those fuckers are just as responsible for ill heath and overburdening the NHS, without the tax income.

Drive trough's want banning as the amount of fucking people i see every morning stuffing their faces whilst driving are more of a hazard than a smoker in a car.

 

Rant over.

[Guest davelfc]

There's some fucking shite written on this, predominately by non smokers, surprise, surprise..

 

I'll admit this, but I have on here several times mentioned that smokers taxes more than cover their health bills.

 

I'd agree with banning it, but again it's a huge loss for the government in taxes, they love their little addicts.

 

I'm right with you on the fatties, they get away free and cost a fortune with obesity related illnesses. Slap a big tax on fast food and unhealthy food and a minus tax on fruit and veg.

 

I'd go further and ban fatties from pubs, just for fun mind.

[md1892]

I'll admit this, but I have on here several times mentioned that smokers taxes more than cover their health bills.

 

 

Apologies i only scan-read the older posts as i was getting rather incensed, and was on my phone at the time !

[VladimirIlyich]

The smoking ban is something i agree with as a non smoker and something that is essential for pubs that serve food.

Perhaps if there was a compromise and if a pub decided it wanted to sell food it had to be non smoking otherwise it was a choice they made on whether to be non smoking or not.

[cochyn]

My post was in response to an idiotic response, much like yours...ther would prove!) but not in areas that cause ill health to others.

 

Seeing as your argument is so piss poor answer my point.

 

Would you let an HIV lepper wank over your child?

 

What. The. Fuck?

 

I see that perspectivectomy was a fucking roaring success, lad.

 

The cynic in me would take David Hockney's view on all this: The government and it's cronies in the pharmaceutical business want to wean us off our drugs of choice and onto grugs of their chosing - anti depressants, prozac, ritalin etc. etc.

[Jose Jones]

No.

 

Rural and village pubs were going from strength to stregth before the smoking ban.

 

It ruined everything.

 

So basically you're saying ban smoking completely then the pubs will do better again.

[melons]

Yesterday, bloke and i can only assume his partner in a 15 year old people carrier full of kids lighting up a fag each. Not just that, although that was enough for me to shake my head, we were in a petrol station.

 

 

 

Some retards should just be banned from breeding. It'd be more effective.

[Pepe Reina 25]

This is how ridiculous the smoking ban can be at times. At my local station there's only one entrance to the Lime Street bound platform, which is down a narrow ramp. Before the smoking ban people used to be allowed to smoke on the platform and if you didn't want to breath it in you could easily keep your distance.

 

Nowadays days they've been banned from smoking on the platform, which considering the platform is no less of an open space than the street outside seems absurd in itself, so now they all congregate and smoke on the ramp instead. So thanks to the technicalities of the smoking ban I've gone from being able to get away from the smokers to now having no choice but to walk past them and breath it in!

Edited November 17, 2011 by Pepe Reina 25
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[md1892]

Yesterday, bloke and i can only assume his partner in a 15 year old people carrier full of kids lighting up a fag each. Not just that, although that was enough for me to shake my head, we were in a petrol station.

 

 

 

Some retards should just be banned from breeding. It'd be more effective.

 

With any luck they'll blow themselves next time, natural selection, Darwin would be proud !

[Gym Beglin]

Everywhere is crap without smoke. There should be a national service type affair where everyone has to smoke for two years, to help top up the tax pot.

After the two years you can stop and then feel free to have a go at me.

 

I want ashtrays in the office and on planes and trains. We're such a bunch of double-standard wankers, you don't mind dying from that, but not from this. What's the difference, stand full of chocolate and crisps on one side of the counter, and fags on the other.

[Nomad]

This is how ridiculous the smoking ban can be at times. At my local station there's only one entrance to the Lime Street bound platform, which is down a narrow ramp. Before the smoking ban people used to be allowed to smoke on the platform and if you didn't want to breath it in you could easily keep your distance.

 

Nowadays days they've been banned from smoking on the platform, which considering the platform is no less of an open space than the street outside seems absurd in itself, so now they all congregate and smoke on the ramp instead. So thanks to the technicalities of the smoking ban I've gone from being able to get away from the smokers to now having no choice but to walk past them and breath it in!

 

That surley is the decision of the train station though? I thought the law against smoking was an eclosed public place? saying that a train station is probably deemed enclosed.

 

I think the thing about pubs many years ago was the fact that it had its smoking room and thats were you stayed. they then decided to let people smoke anywere hence the problems.

 

I smoke but I dont think smoking in pubs/smokingrooms will work as its the staff who work there thats the concern less so than a member of public who has a choice to drink there.

Edited November 25, 2011 by Nomad

[VladimirIlyich]

The same thing applies to entrances to shopping centres and large shops themselves.

Everybody congregates around the entrance and us non smokers are inhaling more smoke than we did previously.

 

Ridiculous state of affairs.

[zigackly]

If you can't handle inhaling a bit of second hand smoke from a tiny cigarette, how the fuck do you put up with car exhaust fumes? Bit of proportionality might come in handy here.

[silverlining]

 

Would you let an HIV lepper wank over your child?

 

 

You shouldn't knock it, that's how your Mum conceived you.

[VladimirIlyich]

If you can't handle inhaling a bit of second hand smoke from a tiny cigarette, how the fuck do you put up with car exhaust fumes? Bit of proportionality might come in handy here.

 

Car exhaust fumes get dispersed into the atmosphere and generally dont get on my clothes.I also dont have to stick my head into an exhaust pipe while I've got no choice with smokers blocking an entrance.

If people want to smoke then put them in a room together and allow them to inhale and blow smoke to their hearts content all over each other.

I choose not to inhale cigarette smoke but cant avoid it in some cases.