Manchester United 2 Liverpool 2 (Apr 7 2024)

[dave u]

11 hours ago, Supremolad said:

Failure to acknowledge history and the Old Trafford factor smacks of sticking fingers in the ears and just screaming la la la la. Of course we are the better team. Of course we could and should have battered them there. And it hurts that we didn't. But it is simply churlish to say "dont play the occasion". Utd vs Liverpool at Old Trafford would ALWAYS be an occasion fed into by history of the rivalry.

 

Even our 99 pt title winning side failed to win there despite finishing 33 pts ahead of a similarly shit Utd team. Over a period of 129 years, Liverpool have only won there 19 times in the league. 19 in 129 years. In the PL era, we've only won there 7 times. 7 in 32 years. It clearly is a tough place for us to go, regardless of disparity in quality. We can deny it all we want but occasional big wins aside, Liverpool football club just don't win many there.

 

I don't care about any of that because it's not relevant to what happened at all. Usually the gulf in class (in either direction) is negated by the lesser team playing above themselves and the better team having an off day. That explains most of the unexpected results, and our record in the PL era is bad because United have been better than us for around 75% of that time.

 

United are the vastly inferior side now and they showed it all three games this season, where they were begging to be put away. We did everything we were supposed to do in terms of dominating, but we were sloppy as fuck in the final third and three times we failed to beat them. Justifying it by saying "oh well, we never win there" is letting the players off the hook.

 

It has nothing to do with some voodoo shite about Old Trafford, especially as we didn't beat them at Anfield either. The way we played in the last two games especially is not what we've done too often in the 129 years you mentioned. 

 

When you come up against a team that plays as badly as United did and who made the game so easy for us, there's no excuse for not beating them. It's utter negligence and Klopp must be fucking livid, even if he'll never say so.

[3 Stacks]

25 minutes ago, dave u said:

 

I don't care about any of that because it's not relevant to what happened at all. Usually the gulf in class (in either direction) is negated by the lesser team playing above themselves and the better team having an off day. That explains most of the unexpected results, and our record in the PL era is bad because United have been better than us for around 75% of that time.

 

United are the vastly inferior side now and they showed it all three games this season, where they were begging to be put away. We did everything we were supposed to do in terms of dominating, but we were sloppy as fuck in the final third and three times we failed to beat them. Justifying it by saying "oh well, we never win there" is letting the players off the hook.

 

It has nothing to do with some voodoo shite about Old Trafford, especially as we didn't beat them at Anfield either. The way we played in the last two games especially is not what we've done too often in the 129 years you mentioned. 

 

When you come up against a team that plays as badly as United did and who made the game so easy for us, there's no excuse for not beating them. It's utter negligence and Klopp must be fucking livid, even if he'll never say so.

 

The games v. them have been interesting from a style point of view. They're one of the few teams this season that I think have outgunned us by just throwing people forward in moments. But then, I don't think there is a team we controlled more easily than them. We did it the whole game at Anfield and for about 90 total minutes at Old Trafford.

 

[beejay]

It's not just this big game when our strikers have fired duds, TAA, VVD and own goals have contributed as much as our top 3 against our main rivals or Cup finals so far. 

 

But as much as I want to explode about their wasted opportunities, it's still our defence that will lose us the League. We concede the 1st goal countless times and our offensive play bails us out so when we finally score first why the fuck do our defence fail to keep a clean sheet?

[aws]

It’s our style of play. We never shut up shop until the last ten minutes maybe. We create more chances than the opposition and usually score more but the price is usually conceding a couple of chances. This is why a lot of sides keep going against us instead of giving up the ghost like they often do against City and the Arse. 

[Code]

Konate did not play because of the tackle at the end in the Sheffield game. 

[dave u]

10 hours ago, Code said:

Konate did not play because of the tackle at the end in the Sheffield game. 

 

He was on the bench though, was he not?

 

He played 90 minutes on Thursday night, no way was he starting on Sunday as we rarely do that with him, and especially not when he's only just back from injury.

[Code]

11 minutes ago, dave u said:

 

He was on the bench though, was he not?

 

He played 90 minutes on Thursday night, no way was he starting on Sunday as we rarely do that with him, and especially not when he's only just back from injury.

Yes he was, I think I read a comment from Klopp about it. Can see if I can find it.