So who should be our next manager?

[Lee909]

1 minute ago, Jairzinho said:

Has he met our medical department? 

 

Aren't they off aswell?

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

I buy clobber from Arne so I’m in.

[Jhinge Machha]

 

 

 

Someone on twitter added some hair and beard to his face and now I see the vision. We are winning everything with him.

[Lee909]

Just now, Jhinge Machha said:

 

 

 

Someone on twitter added some hair and beard to his face and now I see the vision. We are winning everything with him.

 

 

Quick book him into a lab in Turkey and divert his plane on the way over

[Tj hooker]

By the looks of it we're going for a much younger version of Jurgen , if that's how he looks to the club then I'm not the least bit surprised 

[Lee909]

 

 

 

[Bobby Hundreds]

We've had months of the last thing we need is a Klopp lite and now it looks as though we are going for the most diluted version of Klopp you could possibly imagine. Worse still our new fresh start could keep this inverted right back bullshit! 

 

This is going to be worse than Hogdson. Big brendan Rodgers speeches for our new TV show. Fucking grim. As you can guess I'm not sold on this guy I'm far from sold on a guy who has done fairly okay with Feyenord taking one of the biggest football jobs on the planet. Modest Budgie FC.

[Denny Crane]

A list of some Dutch managers who have travelled overseas and how they have fared in their first jobs away from the Dutch League.

 

Frank De Boer won 4x Dutch titles at Ajax sacked by Inter Milan and Crystal Palace very quickly after leaving Ajax. One of the worst back to back managerial reigns on record. 

 

Peter Bosz got to a Europa League final at Ajax. Appointed to be Dortmunds Bosz man with lots of hype that he could replicate Klopp blah blah but sacked by Dortmund before Christmas. Did a solid job at Bayer then sacked by Lyon after 10 games. 

 

Giovanni van Bronckhorst well travelled player won the league with Feyenoord and Kuyt -- replaced Gerrard at Rangers he was a former player lost the league to Celtic, sacked currently not managing. 

 

Philip Cocu won 2x Dutch titles left for Fenerbahçe and was sacked in October just above the relegation places. Went to Derby and was sacked when they were in last place in the championship following a 10th place finish. 

 

Steve De Mclaren presently Ten Hags consigliere. 

 

Ten Hag, Bald blagger long may his reign of terror continue. 

 

My shallow take is it's much less risk to get a manager who has managed in Italy, Spain or Germany or England than getting a manager direct from Portugal or the Netherlands.  

[Bobby Hundreds]

Bookies have slot as 4/6, next favourite is Amorim 5/1.

 

It's going to be him isn't it. 

[Lee909]

31 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

A list of some Dutch managers who have travelled overseas and how they have fared in their first jobs away from the Dutch League.

 

Frank De Boer won 4x Dutch titles at Ajax sacked by Inter Milan and Crystal Palace very quickly after leaving Ajax. One of the worst back to back managerial reigns on record. 

 

Peter Bosz got to a Europa League final at Ajax. Appointed to be Dortmunds Bosz man with lots of hype that he could replicate Klopp blah blah but sacked by Dortmund before Christmas. Did a solid job at Bayer then sacked by Lyon after 10 games. 

 

Giovanni van Bronckhorst well travelled player won the league with Feyenoord and Kuyt -- replaced Gerrard at Rangers he was a former player lost the league to Celtic, sacked currently not managing. 

 

Philip Cocu won 2x Dutch titles left for Fenerbahçe and was sacked in October just above the relegation places. Went to Derby and was sacked when they were in last place in the championship following a 10th place finish. 

 

Steve De Mclaren presently Ten Hags consigliere. 

 

Ten Hag, Bald blagger long may his reign of terror continue. 

 

My shallow take is it's much less risk to get a manager who has managed in Italy, Spain or Germany or England than getting a manager direct from Portugal or the Netherlands.  

 

 

To be fair there is also

 

Frank_Rijkaard

 

Barcelona

La Liga: 2004–05, 2005–06

Supercopa de España: 2005, 2006

UEFA Champions League: 2005–06

 

Individual

Don Balón Coach of the Year: 2004–05, 2005–06

UEFA Manager of the Year: 2005–06

 

Leo Beenhakker

Ajax

Eredivisie: 1979–80, 1989–90

 

Real Madrid

La Liga: 1986–87, 1987–88, 1988–89

Copa del Rey: 1988–89

Supercopa de España: 1988, 1989

 

 

 

Johan Cruyff

Barcelona

La Liga: 1990–91, 1991–92, 1992–93, 1993–94

Copa del Rey: 1989–90

Supercopa de España: 1991, 1992, 1994

European Cup: 1991–92

European Cup Winners' Cup: 1988–89

European Super Cup: 1992

 

 

Louis van Gaal

Barcelona

La Liga: 1997–98, 1998–99

Copa del Rey: 1997–98

UEFA Super Cup: 1997

 

AZ

Eredivisie: 2008–09

 

Bayern Munich

Bundesliga: 2009–10

DFB-Pokal: 2009–10

DFL-Supercup: 2010

UEFA Champions League runner-up: 2009–10

 

Manchester United

FA Cup: 2015–16

 

 

Rinus Michels

 

Barcelona

La Liga: 1973–74

Copa del Rey: 1977–78

Inter-Cities Fairs Cup Trophy: 1971 

 

FC Köln

DFB Pokal: 1982–83

 

Netherlands

UEFA European Championship: 1988

FIFA World Cup Runner-up: 1974

 

 

 

[Lee909]

Take it all with a pinch of salt as ive no clue who the guy is, and if you can be arsed reading it

 

Coach principles: Arne Slot — Feyenoord | by Marc Lamberts | Medium

[Lee909]

van Basten is in

Maybe he can come as his assistant and piss virg off, or just bring his boots. Reckon even with his fucked ankles he could still finish better than most of them and would probably start more games than Jota

 

“I think Slot is really good. I hope he stays in the Netherlands longer because it enriches Dutch football,” he told Ziggo Sport.

“He can really go anywhere: Bayern Munich, Liverpool… I’m convinced of that. I hope he stays in the Netherlands, but I am convinced he can do it anywhere. I’ve spoken to him a few times, and he handles the players very well. Of course, he is also very well-versed tactically.

“I can explain his ideas well; he is calm and intelligent. He is a top trainer. I think he can go to any club, even difficult clubs. He is very smart in his choice of words.”

[Denny Crane]

14 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

 

 

To be fair there is also

 

Frank_Rijkaard

 

Barcelona

La Liga: 2004–05, 2005–06

Supercopa de España: 2005, 2006

UEFA Champions League: 2005–06

 

Individual

Don Balón Coach of the Year: 2004–05, 2005–06

UEFA Manager of the Year: 2005–06

 

Leo Beenhakker

Ajax

Eredivisie: 1979–80, 1989–90

 

Real Madrid

La Liga: 1986–87, 1987–88, 1988–89

Copa del Rey: 1988–89

Supercopa de España: 1988, 1989

 

 

 

Johan Cruyff

Barcelona

La Liga: 1990–91, 1991–92, 1992–93, 1993–94

Copa del Rey: 1989–90

Supercopa de España: 1991, 1992, 1994

European Cup: 1991–92

European Cup Winners' Cup: 1988–89

European Super Cup: 1992

 

 

Louis van Gaal

Barcelona

La Liga: 1997–98, 1998–99

Copa del Rey: 1997–98

UEFA Super Cup: 1997

 

AZ

Eredivisie: 2008–09

 

Bayern Munich

Bundesliga: 2009–10

DFB-Pokal: 2009–10

DFL-Supercup: 2010

UEFA Champions League runner-up: 2009–10

 

Manchester United

FA Cup: 2015–16

 

 

Rinus Michels

 

Barcelona

La Liga: 1973–74

Copa del Rey: 1977–78

Inter-Cities Fairs Cup Trophy: 1971 

 

FC Köln

DFB Pokal: 1982–83

 

Netherlands

UEFA European Championship: 1988

FIFA World Cup Runner-up: 1974

 

 

 

 

You are mainly referencing managers from the 70s 80s and early 90s. With Rijkaard who managed in Holland in 2001/02 the most recent.

 

I'm mentioning recent managers. Most reasonable people would acknowledge how much of a risk it is to appoint a man direct from the Dutch League to manage England's most successful club who are also one of the richest clubs in the world. 

[Lee909]

4 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

 

You are mainly referencing managers from the 70s 80s and early 90s. With Rijkaard who managed in Holland in 2001/02 the most recent.

 

I'm mentioning recent managers. Most reasonable people would acknowledge how much of a risk it is to appoint a man direct from the Dutch League to manage England's most successful club who are also one of the richest clubs in the world. 

 

 

Not disputing its a risk, but that dutch managers have done it in the past. 

if he is the right man or not we won't know but none of them listed walked into a better situation than Slot will of he is the next manager

[etho]

Of the available options it’s him or a German option for me, Nagelsmann perhaps. 
The whole club has a playing identity through all age levels, it makes sense to bring someone in whose style is at least close to that. 
He seems like a good guy, don’t see better options out there, think I’m in

[Daisy]

Has he actually done anything 

[razor]

Go 'ed Slotty, lad.

[Josef Svejk]

8 hours ago, Vincent Vega said:

Impressive speech here, delivered in perfect English.

 

 

Is that an impressive speech? I mean, if you need piano accompaniment, you're missing something...

[Lee909]

15 minutes ago, etho said:

Of the available options it’s him or a German option for me, Nagelsmann perhaps. 
The whole club has a playing identity through all age levels, it makes sense to bring someone in whose style is at least close to that. 
He seems like a good guy, don’t see better options out there, think I’m in

 

Nagelsmann sign a new deal with the national team

[Scott_M]

10 hours ago, TD_LFC said:

 

Don't think you can accuse Utd of being data led, it's more monkey see monkey want.

 

They just don't do the required research full stop so they see Ten Haag doing things at Ajax and appoint him and then he turns up and says he has no intention of implementing the style that got him the job.

 

 

They’ve been trying but just aren’t very good at it. 
 

See the story about them analysing like 800 right backs before settling on Wan-Bissaka. Tells you all you need to know. 
 

Firstly, why would you analyse 800 players? Smacks of you don’t know what you want to start with. 
 

Secondly, if you analyse 800 players and Wan-Bissaka is the best you can come up with, there is something seriously wrong with your modelling.  

[Scott_M]

11 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

The issue with Slot would be he's been doing it in the Dutch League. Can you take any of his success that seriously, is a legitimate question. But also, he might just be a great manager. Hard to say.

Xabi has hugely exceeded expectations in Germany, could we take Amorim seriously in the Portugese league?

 

Although not the level we’d be playing at, he got Feyenord to the first Europa Conference Final, where they lost to Roma. 
 

I think the curtailment of the COVID19 season has hurt his reputation because AZ had a great chance of winning it. 
 

I was all aboard the Xabi train. I’m wasn’t all aboard the Amorim train. I not all aboard the Slot train.

 

However, as per my previous post, he does seemingly tick a lot of the boxes we appear to be after.

 

In the absence of any obtainable serial winners, it’s Edwards & Hughes job to identity the next one. I’m not say it is or isn’t Slot, he does seem to fit the criteria on paper, at least. 

[TD_LFC]

10 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

They’ve been trying but just aren’t very good at it. 
 

See the story about them analysing like 800 right backs before settling on Wan-Bissaka. Tells you all you need to know. 
 

Firstly, why would you analyse 800 players? Smacks of you don’t know what you want to start with. 
 

Secondly, if you analyse 800 players and Wan-Bissaka is the best you can come up with, there is something seriously wrong with your modelling.  

 

They'll have an off the shelf data package (used to be Wyscout don't know if it still is) so they technically have a data adjacent scouting system but they only started appointing people in the last few years as part of a proper data science team. Think Ineos have been in discussions with Ludonautics since they've taken over.

 

If they start with a list of 800 RB's in something like Wyscout and whittle that down to eventually end up at Wan Bissaka then technically they've analysed, to varying degrees, 800 players even if 750 were immediately excluded. 

 

They've just picked the wrong metrics for what they need, when they signed him he was a good one on one defender with poor attacking ability and as one of the best sides in the country known for attacking football he was the wrong type of fullback. 

 

The issue at Utd seems to be there's no joined up thinking and every decision is made in isolation with the hope that everything will connect when it's in the building.

[Barrington Womble]

14 hours ago, SasaS said:

It looks like the Slot thing is serious. Do we need a welcome thread?

 

We should if we.dont want him. 

 

35 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

They’ve been trying but just aren’t very good at it. 
 

See the story about them analysing like 800 right backs before settling on Wan-Bissaka. Tells you all you need to know. 
 

Firstly, why would you analyse 800 players? Smacks of you don’t know what you want to start with. 
 

Secondly, if you analyse 800 players and Wan-Bissaka is the best you can come up with, there is something seriously wrong with your modelling.  

Yeah, but when they say they've analysed 800 right backs, they mean they've got data on 800. And why wouldn't they analyse all of that data, because even if you make wrong choices in the end, there's something to learn from the process to refine the models going forward? It's not like they ask all the match day catering staff to come in and take 2 right backs each, it'll just be an algo. Check 8 or 800, it probably costs you another 50p on AWS. 

[Denny Crane]

I can't get excited about a manager from the Dutch League some of you might enjoy this. 

 

 

 

 

 

Arne Slot is the disciple of Pep Guardiola who has strong similarities to Mikel Arteta and Roberto De Zerbi in the way he coaches and the intense playing style he demands.

Slot’s Feyenoord side play some of the most exciting, entertaining, high-energy, attacking football on the Continent. It should come as little surprise then that Liverpool are interested in hiring him as Jürgen Klopp’s successor – with Slot a friend of Klopp’s assistant Pep Lijnders, who is also leaving Anfield.

The 45-year-old former midfielder is renowned for his precise coaching methods and his attention to detail. So precise is he that that the ‘rondo’ – the training drill whereby players attempt to keep the ball while a smaller group aim to intercept – is made extremely specific at Feyenoord.

 

Slot is concerned the drill does not allow players to ‘scan’ (to check the options on the pitch) which is one of the fundamentals of passing and so he insists that they can take only one touch, that they cannot return possession to the player who passed to them and, crucially, that the ball always stays below the knee. Players are even encouraged to consider which foot they are passing with.

Telegraph Sport learnt this, as Slot led Feyenoord last year to only their second Dutch league title this century, after being given detailed access into the way he works and his methodology – and ambition.

This campaign Feyenoord have won the Dutch Cup and are second to PSV Eindhoven in the league – although it should be factored in that he is operating with a fraction of his rivals’ finances and also those of Ajax, who are 24 points behind.

Feyenoord may traditionally be the third biggest club in the Netherlands but that gives a false impression. They are far behind the Dutch giants in terms of budget and had been, in recent years, frankly one of its most boring, defensive teams especially under Slot’s predecessor Dick Advocaat. How that has changed.

Dutchman long fancied by English clubs

Liverpool are not the first Premier League club to take an interest in Slot who joined Feyenoord from AZ Alkmaar in 2021. But Liverpool are clearly the biggest and most serious proposition. Leeds United tried to hire him in February 2023 after sacking Jesse Marsch (and he would be a natural successor to Marcelo Bielsa) but Slot stayed in Rotterdam.

 

Tottenham Hotspur then made a move before they eventually brought in Ange Postecoglou – with Slot surprisingly deciding to stay at Feyenoord and signing a new contract.

Given that Feyenoord’s style of play is so demanding, it is impressive they suffer so few injuries – in contrast to Leeds under Bielsa, which is why Feyenoord were so interested in Slot.

Slot’s eye for detail fuels Feyenoord success

The demanding attention to detail is a theme. For example, Slot has concluded that in training sessions for the days immediately after games the players should work in a space no longer than 40 metres. If they play in bigger areas it means they have to accelerate more and sports medical science has proved that running above 20kmph risks more muscle injuries.

Slot does not play games of 11 vs 11 in training as most coaches do and works hard on the mental side of the sport. He has even convinced the Feyenoord players that the more games they play the stronger they will become.

It does feel that it is only a matter of time before Slot makes his move to England. There is, of course, an obvious comparison with Manchester United’s Erik ten Hag who moved from Ajax, and there is always that concern over how Dutch coaches fare outside of the Eredivisie which is clearly not one of Europe’s strongest leagues. 

Yet Liverpool will certainly have run the numbers and the data on Slot, who now has Champions League experience beating Celtic and Lazio but failing to get through the group, and will have been impressed by what they have seen. Not least because his football and pressing game is far more attacking than Ten Hag’s. Interestingly when Ten Hag won the league with Ajax it was Slot who won the Rinus Michels Award for Eredivisie manager of the season.

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Feyenoord finished third in Slot’s first campaign – they were fifth the season before. They subsequently were first and are now second. But that does not provide the full picture as Slot completely overhauled their negative playing style. The club wanted him to do it and, interestingly so did the players, with the coach exploding the myth that ‘you can only work with what you have got’. Instead, with a fierce pressing game in which Feyenoord go man-for-man with their opponents all over the pitch, he showed that players can change.

Interestingly it was one of his main motivations for joining Feyenoord: to show the world it can be done.

For example in Slot’s first team meeting he played clips of the 2021 Champions League final between Chelsea and Manchester City and asked the simple question: why were there so few chances despite there being so many good attacking players?

The answer was equally as simple: it was because all those attackers also made incredible defensive runs to nullify their opponents. Slot then contrasted that with the lack of running Feyenoord had completed the season before and compared the distance covered – far less – to his previous AZ side.

 

Slot oversees a training session ahead of 'De Klassieker' – the match between Feyenoord and Ajax – in March 2023 CREDIT: EPA/Koen van Weel

His approach was also simple – as is his mantra: his teams defend by attacking. While Klopp’s Liverpool wait for ‘pressing triggers’ Slot asks his players to press all the time which sounds exhausting but, after a few weeks, he believes becomes second nature.

The next part of that is to try to control games by emphasising ball possession which is straight out of Guardiola’s play-book.

Slot believes that more defensive football – as espoused by Jose Mourinho – is not only more tiring but less stimulating for the players. He argues they cannot improve by primarily thinking about defending.

In the Netherlands they call it indoctrineren (indoctrinate) and Slot bombarded the players with stats, with clips and with far more sophisticated and intense training sessions in which every minute is accounted for. It is a clear ‘train-the-way-you-play’ approach.

Importantly, Slot has achieved all of this on a shoestring – Feyenoord have made significant money in the transfer market every season he has been there – and he has undoubtedly improved players and their value. He likes to work primarily with young players and is popular in the dressing room. There is an inherent risk, given the league he would be coming from, but Slot certainly appears to fit the mould of a ‘head coach’ whose priority is the training pitch, which Liverpool want, rather than a manager in their new structure led by Michael Edwards and director of football Richard Hughes.

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[Barrington Womble]

What's all this shit he coaches like arteta? He was a manager before arteta was. It would be better to say arteta coaches like him. Fucking Legohead cocksuckers.