Keir Starmer

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

Spawned a good film though. Witness, Harrison Ford. 

The Mormons spawned a good musical, though. Funny as fuck.

[Gnasher]

9 hours ago, Section_31 said:

 

Palestine has always attracted a hard core of mentalists, long before all this, people who weren't arsed about any other issue.

 

When I went to the Labour conference in 17 there was about 20 or so people outside with Palestinian flags, they all looked like Bill Oddie. 

 

And I just wondered what the fuck it had to do with anything.

 

Well now you know.

[Mudface]

6 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The Mormons spawned a good musical, though. Funny as fuck.

 

Seeing that later in the year, can't wait.

[Gnasher]

11 hours ago, Section_31 said:

 

No idea, maybe it's just trendy. 

 

What's going in is horrific and there's lots of people who're rightly outraged, but that hard core of cranks is ever present.

 

If you gatecrash a meeting of Ramsbottom parish Council demanding a ceasefire in Gaza you're mentally ill, I've no qualms about saying so at all.

 

What's your state of mind if you spend your weekend decorating it with Ukrainian flags?

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ukraine-chesterfield-homes-grace-twickenham-b2057402.html

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/huge-ukrainian-flag-painted-road-outside-russian-embassy-london-2023-02-23/

 

https://www.bakerpictures.com/image?_bqG=72&_bqH=eJzz9QiqSDLzSffP9wnzD0mNcMs0TPI2LfIqCTaxMjQ0tDI0MABhIOkZ7xLsbJuWmpqjBmbGO_q52JYA2aHBrkHxni62oSBl2Z6.wU45JaFBEflq8Y7OIbbFqYlFyRkAM18fBg--

 

Did you call those people "mentally ill" on the Ukrainian thread? 

[Bjornebye]

7 hours ago, Jennings said:

 

Hey! Don't forget about MAFSA!!!

 

@Bjornebye you getting into it?

What is it?? 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Mudface said:

 

Seeing that later in the year, can't wait.

What I thought was quite sweet when we went to see it was the reaction of the real Mormons: instead of giving it the full Passion of St Tibulus protest on the way in, they were handing out flyers afterwards (with a friendly smile and "enjoy the rest of your evening") that said something like "You've seen the play, now read the book".

[Gnasher]

Yeh great idea Liz. One even Iain Duncan Smith didn't impose. Stop the youth their dole so they turn to crime. See how this works our in practice. It won't be pretty. 

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68463623.amp

 

 

[Gnasher]

"life on benefits"

 

Benefit scroungers. Go get em Liz. Get Benefit street and Jeremy Kyle back on the tele whilst you're at it.

 

 

 

 

 

Someone's got to pay for this, 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/01/17/rachel-reeves-hints-at-labour-tax-cuts-for-top-earners/

 

 

[Strontium]

 

[Bjornebye]

Imagine polling behind this Tory party. May as well give up 

[Jairzinho]

41 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Imagine polling behind this Tory party. May as well give up 

 

No point in the Lib Dems while Starmer's Labour exists. It's one of the two reasons Stronts likes them so much as the tend to put forward the same economics. The other obviously being the opportunity to troll anyone to the left of Bolsonaro.

[Strontium]

There is always a need for liberals; economically there's not a mega amount of difference, as indeed there shouldn't be with two centre-left parties, but things like Labour's support for the smoking ban show exactly why I am not and never will be a Labour supporter.

 

Also amazing that Gnasher posting 100 pieces of shit a day isn't trolling, but me posting Labour's poll ratings to refute a little bit of it apparently is. Would love to see what sliding scale is being used there.

[Section_31]

Genuinely interested to see why none of the people who have a beef with Starmer’s labour have attempted to set up a new party.

 

There's the apparatus in terms of campaigning machine with Momentum, there's a sizeable online presence, niche media etc. It's been five years, where is it?

 

Some will say "why should we leave" but what about those who joined to vote for Corbyn and left when he was axed? Or what about Momentum which was set up only after he was elected? 

 

Many don't like Starmer, Brown, Blair, kinnock etc, so why do they stick around?

 

It's easy to tweet, not so easy to campaign.

 

Or maybe it's because that campaign would only resonate with the existing fans, not on the doorstep. Which would be a problem.

 

 

[Jairzinho]

2 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Genuinely interested to see why none of the people who have a beef with Starmer’s labour have attempted to set up a new party.

 

There's the apparatus in terms of campaigning machine with Momentum, there's a sizeable online presence, niche media etc. It's been five years, where is it?

 

Some will say "why should we leave" but what about those who joined to vote for Corbyn and left when he was axed? Or what about Momentum which was set up only after he was elected? 

 

Many don't like Starmer, Brown, Blair, kinnock etc, so why do they stick around?

 

It's easy to tweet, not so easy to campaign.

 

Or maybe it's because that campaign would only resonate with the existing fans, not on the doorstep. Which would be a problem.

 

 

 

The voting system. 

 

It would be an utter waste of time. Just as it is for these Reform bellends, or the cucks that left when Corbyn was in charge. 

[Section_31]

4 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

The voting system. 

 

It would be an utter waste of time. Just as it is for these Reform bellends, or the cucks that left when Corbyn was in charge. 

 

They could start a grassroots movement at council level to begin with. 

[Jairzinho]

11 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

They could start a grassroots movement at council level to begin with. 

 

They decide what day the bins are put out in the UK, I'm not sure it's necessarily the best vehicle for international socialism. In other countries they have both PR voting systems, and local/regional government actually decides some stuff. 

 

They can't do anything, the fight is always within the two main parties. Once the right of the Labour party successfully wrestled back control of the party the game was up. The limits of politics and economics in the UK are more tightly controlled than they are in pretty much any other comparable nation. The shittest voting system, the shittest media, and the fucking stupidest population. A cunt platter.

 

So they shout from the sidelines. Some genuinely attempting to drag Starmer back from the centre right, others simply grifting.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

Had to laugh at Galloway saying that "no good can come" from foreign countries meddling in others' affairs.

 

Why are we even talking about Israel and Gaza then?

[Walter Sobchak]

6 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Yeh great idea Liz. One even Iain Duncan Smith didn't impose. Stop the youth their dole so they turn to crime. See how this works our in practice. It won't be pretty. 

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68463623.amp

 

 

Gansher, genuine question here. Do you actually listen to what any on the Labour Front bench say or do you just look out for the headlines that fit your agenda?

 

At no point does Liz Kendall say they are taking benefits away from young people. Youve straight up lied about that.

 

imagine getting annoyed at a Labour shadow minister saying they’re going to bring down Youth Employment and make access to work a priority of disabled young people.

[Walter Sobchak]

23 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Genuinely interested to see why none of the people who have a beef with Starmer’s labour have attempted to set up a new party.

 

There's the apparatus in terms of campaigning machine with Momentum, there's a sizeable online presence, niche media etc. It's been five years, where is it?

 

Some will say "why should we leave" but what about those who joined to vote for Corbyn and left when he was axed? Or what about Momentum which was set up only after he was elected? 

 

Many don't like Starmer, Brown, Blair, kinnock etc, so why do they stick around?

 

It's easy to tweet, not so easy to campaign.

 

Or maybe it's because that campaign would only resonate with the existing fans, not on the doorstep. Which would be a problem.

 

 

Because they’re all full of shit.

[Jennings]

11 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

What is it?? 

 

Married at First Sight Australia. On C4 catch-up thing.

[Section_31]

2 minutes ago, Jennings said:

 

Married at First Sight Australia. On C4 catch-up thing.

 

It's boss. Fucking love it.

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Jennings said:

 

Married at First Sight Australia. On C4 catch-up thing.

No! Will have a look then 

[Gnasher]

21 minutes ago, Walter Sobchak said:

Gansher, genuine question here. Do you actually listen to what any on the Labour Front bench say or do you just look out for the headlines that fit your agenda?

 

At no point does Liz Kendall say they are taking benefits away from young people. Youve straight up lied about that.

 

imagine getting annoyed at a Labour shadow minister saying they’re going to bring down Youth Employment and make access to work a priority of disabled young people.

 

You draw your conclusions I'll draw mine Walter.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labours-liz-kendall-says-not-32268412?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

56 minutes ago, Strontium said:

There is always a need for liberals; economically there's not a mega amount of difference, as indeed there shouldn't be with two centre-left parties, but things like Labour's support for the smoking ban show exactly why I am not and never will be a Labour supporter.

 

Also amazing that Gnasher posting 100 pieces of shit a day isn't trolling, but me posting Labour's poll ratings to refute a little bit of it apparently is. Would love to see what sliding scale is being used there.

 

What bit is refuted? I've constantly given bookies odds of how short Labour are to win the next election.  What new info are you bestowing upon me with your post? 

 

 

As for all these mysterious posts some dream up if you challenge them when you see them maybe we could debate their merits there and then. 

[Section_31]

44 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

They decide what day the bins are put out in the UK, I'm not sure it's necessarily the best vehicle for international socialism. In other countries they have both PR voting systems, and local/regional government actually decides some stuff. 

 

They can't do anything, the fight is always within the two main parties. Once the right of the Labour party successfully wrestled back control of the party the game was up. The limits of politics and economics in the UK are more tightly controlled than they are in pretty much any other comparable nation. The shittest voting system, the shittest media, and the fucking stupidest population. A cunt platter.

 

So they shout from the sidelines. Some genuinely attempting to drag Starmer back from the centre right, others simply grifting.

 

That's a strange take mate I have to say. 90% of what impacts people's lives happens at council level. School, social care, planning among other things. 

 

Corbyn's labour fancied itself as a grassroots movement, I had to sit through speeches from delegates from CLPs in Sunderland and whatnot while shadow ministers were consigned to the back row. Can't see why they'd consider themselves above local politics.

 

And if it works, that's how a movement could start.

 

I think, personally, one of the problems is this brand of "the left" as it calls itself is looking for a simple answer as to why it's not in power, and that answer is starmer.

 

If only starmer wasn't there, somehow the British public would accept our policies and we'd change the world.

 

But this ignores the fact Corbyn was rejected twice. There'll be caveats and excuses, but that's the bottom line.

 

Starmer is low hanging fruit. The alternative is canvassing,  door knocking, fundraising, and realising on the door step that their message is largely not appealing to the British public.

 

I wish it was. I'd have happily taken a Labour government that's as left as you can make it, but I'm also a pragmatist. The English public is largely disengaged from politics by design.

 

Could that possibly be changed over time? Perhaps, but calling Starmer Keith the baby killer on twitter again and again probably isn't going to contribute much to the effort.