Man City - the new bitters?

[ZonkoVille77]

One thing my time on this planet has thought me is that cheats fairly seldom lose. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the PL invented a loophole to let them away with it. Football as we know it is just so corrupt and City are now masters of the corruption game. 

 

 

[Poor Scouser T]

2 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

One thing my time on this planet has thought me is that cheats fairly seldom lose. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the PL invented a loophole to let them away with it. Football as we know it is just so corrupt and City are now masters of the corruption game. 

 

 

Then they have to answer to the other 19 clubs. Well 16 or 17

[Chris]

People getting way too excited about the potential ramifications of this. You're living in an absolute dreamworld if you think this will result in any seismic change, or stripped titles or relegation. It just won't happen. 

 

I think the Premier League know the state ownership from the Arab world is going to become more and more prominent and they're simply looking to reestablish some ground rules moving forward in the hope of establishing some integrity.

City will be fined heavily, the implication will be from that guilt that their titles are heavily tarnished and invalid. But they will stand.

 

City may not be able to appeal through CAS, but there are plenty of other avenues available to them. I guarantee a counter suit for defamation is probably being drafted as we speak. 

[ZonkoVille77]

"The PL are just xenophobic...." 

[Poor Scouser T]

1 minute ago, Chris said:

People getting way too excited about the potential ramifications of this. You're living in an absolute dreamworld if you think this will result in any seismic change, or stripped titles or relegation. It just won't happen. 

 

I think the Premier League know the state ownership from the Arab world is going to become more and more prominent and they're simply looking to reestablish some ground rules moving forward in the hope of establishing some integrity.

City will be fined heavily, the implication will be from that guilt that their titles are heavily tarnished and invalid. But they will stand.

 

City may not be able to appeal through CAS, but there are plenty of other avenues available to them. I guarantee a counter suit for defamation is probably being drafted as we speak. 

Mate this is 100+ breaches. PL have the backing of the big clubs. It will be big.

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

"The PL are just xenophobic...." 

 

These lads learned from the masters of deflection. Anti-Arabic it will be.

[Megadrive Man]

1 minute ago, Chris said:

People getting way too excited about the potential ramifications of this. You're living in an absolute dreamworld if you think this will result in any seismic change, or stripped titles or relegation. It just won't happen. 

 

It won't just be a fine.

 

What's the point in fining a team with unlimited funds?

 

I think the worst case scenario is that they will get a massive points deduction. With a two or three year transfer embargo.

 

Look at how Derby County have been punished by the EFL.

[Chris]

1 minute ago, Poor Scouser T said:

Mate this is 100+ breaches. PL have the backing of the big clubs. It will be big.

 

Right now it feels big. That won't last. It's not the world we live in. Baddies like them never get their comeuppance in any walk of life. Telling ya, nothing major will come of this.

[Poor Scouser T]

Government white paper due out on independent regulation of the league put back 2 weeks. PL may be getting their own house in order before Gov do.

[Chris]

5 minutes ago, Megadrive Person said:

 

It won't just be a fine.

 

What's the point in fining a team with unlimited funds?

 

I think the worst case scenario is that they will get a massive points deduction. With a two or three year transfer embargo.

 

Look at how Derby County have been punished by the EFL.

 

Transfer embargo, definitely. Perhaps suspended sentences threatening expulsion on the proviso of unlimited access and annual audits to scare them straight.

 

Yeah there will be a fine too. That's how this happens in the business world. Look at Facebook, Google, et al? The huge fines are nothing to them and well worth it to achieve their goals. 

 

I'd love to think there'll be serious, epochal consequences, but it never happens. It'd take mass fan action and people don't have the stamina for it and to make a proper stand. Most fans don't/won't care about this. I'd say probably only us and United fans. Even most of those cunts are borderline City fans on account of how it's fucked us over.

[3 Stacks]

3 minutes ago, Chris said:

 

Right now it feels big. That won't last. It's not the world we live in. Baddies like them never get their comeuppance in any walk of life. Telling ya, nothing major will come of this.

Yeah, it's like Everton going down and Chelsea going bust. Will believe the big punishments when I see them. 

 

Until then, we can warm ourselves at night with the thoughts of fans chanting they are cheaters.

[Poor Scouser T]

Its essentially fraud. Falsifying accounts etc.

[Chris]

6 minutes ago, Poor Scouser T said:

Its essentially fraud. Falsifying accounts etc.

 

I don't think you're wrong, I just don't think it'll happen. Perhaps the Premier League findings could encourage action under the letter of the law in the way we saw the FBI take on FIFA, etc. Doubt it though. 

[Poor Scouser T]

If you were a member of a golf club and you knocked a few shots of your card you cheated and broken club rules you would be gone. Under declaring spending and over declaring income it is just like that

[Poor Scouser T]

5 minutes ago, Poor Scouser T said:

If you were a member of a golf club and you knocked a few shots of your card you cheated and broken club rules you would be gone. Under declaring spending and over declaring income it is just like that

One place I played a fella had a 20 handicap and won everything first year. Turned out he was a member of another club playing off 9. Had to refund the runners up all the prize money and was banned from all local clubs. This should happen.

[an tha]

I'd go further than saying nothing big will happen - my bet is they'll get off effectively.

 

Their lawyers will find some loop hole/technicality that whilst they won't be found 'not guilty' they won't be found 'guilty'.

[ZonkoVille77]

The difference between the Guardian's reporting of it and the BBC's is night and day. The BBC have came out with a pissy, watered-down, nothing article.

 

 

[s(k)aturation]

9 minutes ago, Chris said:

 

I don't think you're wrong, I just don't think it'll happen. Perhaps the Premier League findings could encourage action under the letter of the law in the way we saw the FBI take on FIFA, etc. Doubt it though. 

 

You're right.

People don't care and nor do I really.

Even a default title would only be a thing on paper anyway.

Good and fair in principle, but principles after the fact are invariably pyrrhic.

We still lost the titles at the time, in the sad, real world - when we already knew they were cheating.

Nothing especially satisfying to be gained here.

 

 

 

[Poor Scouser T]

Funny post on Blue Moon.

We made it to 101 charges do we win a caravan.

[J-V]

2 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

The difference between the Guardian's reporting of it and the BBC's is night and day. The BBC have came out with a pissy, watered-down, nothing article.

 

 

 

BBC are scum

[s(k)aturation]

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[No2]

3 minutes ago, an tha said:

I'd go further than saying nothing big will happen - my bet is they'll get off effectively.

 

Their lawyers will find some loop hole/technicality that whilst they won't be found 'not guilty' they won't be found 'guilty'.

It will be all or nothing, a fine or small penalty suits nobody. City are tarnished forever with a fine, they won't accept it.

 

The other side of that coin is the fine won't be acceptable to Spurs or Arsenal unless it's in the billions. They have lost hundreds of millions in CL money.

[Barrington Womble]

5 hours ago, Carra_is_legend said:

While it gives us all immense pleasure reading all the posts about stripping them off their titles etc........this is what will mostly happen.

 

They will get away with a fine around some technicalities, thanks to the millions they will be spending on their lawyers. This will not only mean they will continue to fuck the game up, it will set up a blue print for the Saudis as well as other oil nations in future.

 

PL are....and always have been a bunch of toothless cunts, I fully expect City to bully them & the independent commission out of the building with their constant PR and strength of top lawyers. PL will say they fully respect the independent commission and thank City for the co-operation. The end.

I'm with you. The PL don't want their brand sullied by the idea it's not fair. They have to do something, but it'll be sure city will get away. 

 

5 hours ago, Nelly-Matip said:

Won’t the Premier League also be hiring/instructing top lawyers to deal with this too? They’re hardly going to let the YTS lad have a crack at it. It’s the integrity of their competition that’s at stake so I can’t see them lying down and just let City call the shots. Particularly when they have also given City an opportunity to cooperate with the process, only to be met with arrogant disdain. 
 

Just read a claim from FourFourTwo that any decision to strip titles will be just that, in that there won’t be a new winner and there just won’t be any winner for those seasons in question. They did seem to be pulling it straight out of their arse though, without quoting any rules or regulations to back it up. 

There's absolutely no way the PL can compete with Abu Dhabi on lawyers. That's not to say the PL will have dickheads, but there's a limit to what they can spend. Abu Dhabi could bankrupt the league with legal fees alone. 

 

39 minutes ago, dave u said:

If the PL don't punish them severely enough, the other clubs should resign and join the football league. Leave City on their own in the PL (unless fellow cheats Everton want to stay with them) while everyone else joins the football league and we go back to divisions one, two, three and four. Imagine that!

 

The PL is just the clubs though isn't it. If the punishment isn't big, it'll be because the battle is lost. 

 

24 minutes ago, Poor Scouser T said:

Government white paper due out on independent regulation of the league put back 2 weeks. PL may be getting their own house in order before Gov do.

It's maybe also no coincidence that the 2 biggest clubs in the league are up for sale, there seems limited buyers out there and now the PL are trying to illustrate city can't get it all their own way. I'm sure FSG and the glazers will want sales quickly and maybe use this (before an outcome) to get the fuck out of dodge while there's some pretence of the rules meaning something. 

[Chris]

10 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

The difference between the Guardian's reporting of it and the BBC's is night and day. The BBC have came out with a pissy, watered-down, nothing article.

 

 

 

To be fair, the BBC's remit is to report the news with an absence of any slant, not to call City out for being cunts.

 

That's pretty much what its report does. Says they've been accused, details the allegations, lists the potential punishments and includes a response from City.

 

[niallers]

We did nothing wrong! Well we did, but its not that bad.  OK,it's bad but come on, we just played the system! Ye're just jealous and are all racist, here's 100 million, now fuck off. 

The Donald Trump strategy.