Georginio Wijnaldum

[Barrington Womble]

Just now, aRdja said:

Our midfield is unquestionably better than PSG’s. Gini is a very good player but he wouldn’t have been in our best XI if everyone was fit. Neither would Herrera or Gana if they were playing for us.

He was literally 1st choice for 5 years. Don't talk nonsense. He's better than any player psg have in midfield, it's just not working out for him there. 

[aRdja]

Just now, Barrington Womble said:

He was literally 1st choice for 5 years. Don't talk nonsense. He's better than any player psg have in midfield, it's just not working out for him there. 

So was Coutinho but he wouldn’t start for us right now?

[Barrington Womble]

Just now, aRdja said:

So was Coutinho but he wouldn’t start for us right now?

Which was my point in my earlier post. It's wasn't years ago he was first choice. In thiago years, it was 12 games ago. 

[aRdja]

2 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Which was my point in my earlier post. It's wasn't years ago he was first choice. In thiago years, it was 12 games ago. 

If we had everyone fit last season then he wouldn’t have started many games. If he can’t get a game ahead of Gana or Herrera then there’s no chance he’d be getting regular games here. He needs to lift his game and prove himself there before I’d consider taking him back here. 

[Barrington Womble]

1 minute ago, aRdja said:

If we had everyone fit last season then he wouldn’t have started many games. If he can’t get a game ahead of Gana or Herrera then there’s no chance he’d be getting regular games here. He needs to lift his game and prove himself there before I’d consider taking him back here. 

Forget what's happening in Paris, it's irrelevant. Football just isn't that binary. You don't know he wouldn't have played every week. Because he played every week, like he did for 4 years before. He was supposed to be bombed when keita arrived, but that never happened. The body of evidence of his number of starts over 5 years is in my favour on this one. 

[Baltar]

I never wanted Gini to leave and really like the fella, but his comments about us since leaving have pissed me off. Unless he publicly apologies to the fans for his comments, he can stay away as far as I'm concerned.

[aRdja]

11 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Forget what's happening in Paris, it's irrelevant. Football just isn't that binary. You don't know he wouldn't have played every week. Because he played every week, like he did for 4 years before. He was supposed to be bombed when keita arrived, but that never happened. The body of evidence of his number of starts over 5 years is in my favour on this one. 

Neither do you to be fair. This is just a game of opinions. I reckon he wouldn’t have because all our first choice midfielders are signed up until at least 2024. Thiago who is taking his place was only here for one season out of the five and our squad was decimated last season. By the same token, your body of evidence would show that Coutinho would start every game if he came back because he did before he left but we all know he wouldn’t because we have better players now. I don’t want a midfielder in the squad who can’t get a game ahead of Ander Herrera. Their manager Poch, is one of the best in the world too, so there must be something in it. 

[Barrington Womble]

5 minutes ago, aRdja said:

Neither do you to be fair. This is just a game of opinions. I reckon he wouldn’t have because all our first choice midfielders are signed up until at least 2024. Thiago who is taking his place was only here for one season out of the five and our squad was decimated last season. By the same token, your body of evidence would show that Coutinho would start every game if he came back because he did before he left but we all know he wouldn’t because we have better players now. I don’t want a midfielder in the squad who can’t get a game ahead of Ander Herrera. Their manager Poch, is one of the best in the world too, so there must be something in it. 

Ok. He played every week for 5 years till less than half a season to go because he isn't good enough.

[aRdja]

7 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Ok. He played every week for 5 years till less than half a season to go because he isn't good enough.

He’s no longer our player. If he wants to go back to us he needs to prove to me that at the moment he’s better than Herrera and Gana; two guys who frankly wouldn’t get any near our first team. I honestly don’t think that’s an overly controversial view.

[aRdja]

22 minutes ago, Baltar said:

I never wanted Gini to leave and really like the fella, but his comments about us since leaving have pissed me off. Unless he publicly apologies to the fans for his comments, he can stay away as far as I'm concerned.

Please… the last thing those Twitter twats deserve is an apology from Gini. 

[Manny]

PSG is an absolute basket case of a club. There could be any number of reasons he's not getting a game there - it could be tactical in terms of their top-heavy nature needing pure defensive units to cover the middle, or it could be personal in that a clique runs the dressing room and he's not favoured and therefore it's a waste of time playing him. I've got no idea. But it's definitely not as simple as that he needs to be in their team to be good enough for ours. Trent isn't good enough for England apparently, yet he's one of our best players.

 

I'd love him back as he's a fucking good player and a beautiful man, but as Barry says above: he's gone now, if he comes back Klopp would prioritise the permanent players, which means we wouldn't want to pay him much, but PSG would want his wages covered mostly or in full otherwise what's the point?

 

This just doesn't add up for me. He'll go to Newcastle or Arsenal which is a shame as he improves them both, and I hate them both.

[Barrington Womble]

34 minutes ago, aRdja said:

He’s no longer our player. If he wants to go back to us he needs to prove to me that at the moment he’s better than Herrera and Gana; two guys who frankly wouldn’t get any near our first team. I honestly don’t think that’s an overly controversial view.

ok. as i said before he's clearly not good enough, despite evidence to the contrary. 

[Barrington Womble]

22 minutes ago, Manny said:

PSG is an absolute basket case of a club. There could be any number of reasons he's not getting a game there - it could be tactical in terms of their top-heavy nature needing pure defensive units to cover the middle, or it could be personal in that a clique runs the dressing room and he's not favoured and therefore it's a waste of time playing him. I've got no idea. But it's definitely not as simple as that he needs to be in their team to be good enough for ours. Trent isn't good enough for England apparently, yet he's one of our best players.

 

I'd love him back as he's a fucking good player and a beautiful man, but as Barry says above: he's gone now, if he comes back Klopp would prioritise the permanent players, which means we wouldn't want to pay him much, but PSG would want his wages covered mostly or in full otherwise what's the point?

 

This just doesn't add up for me. He'll go to Newcastle or Arsenal which is a shame as he improves them both, and I hate them both.

good point regarding Trent. 

 

And as for "proving" he's good enough for PSG before getting to move to us, if he was playing for PSG he wouldn't be available for loan. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

I’m sure he will survive. Move on.

[Bjornebye]

 

 

 

 

 

Taa laa. Good luck, you won't be forgotten. 

 

 

That's that. 

 

 

[m0e]

2 hours ago, El Rojo said:

He'd walk into our starting eleven in most games for me

Who would you drop from the main 3?

[No2]

1 minute ago, m0e said:

Who would you drop from the main 3?

Who did we drop for the 5 years he played consistently? Nobody is the answer, between Gini being a machine and the others injured or needing rest meant he always played. That would still be the case if he hadn't of left, Jones and Elliott would've seen less game time and we would have been more solid defensively but less fluent in attack.  The decision to let him go looks the correct one all things considered.

[Bjornebye]

When all are fit he does not start over Fabinho, Thiago or Henderson. 

[liverpoolsno9]

3 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

i like gini, as i said before i wouldn't have let him go and he would obviously be able to drop right in. but aside from making him the ghost of christmas past for salah, i don't really get how this deal works.

 

psg surely only want to loan him if there is someone willing to pay all of his wages - i don't see how they are not under FFP pressure. with newcastle and arsenal around (perhaps even everton as they offloaded rodriguez since the last window closed), it seems they will set a market price for that, so there's no chance of reduced wages. FSG won't want to be paying his full wages, because if they had, he'd probably still be a liverpool player. in fact i would suggest it is pretty likely he would have likely signed for less than psg are paying him. 

 

then there's gini's perspective. he would be moving to get games. i agree with you it wasn't long ago we had an injury crisis in midfield. i also think it is reasonable to assume it won't be our last one considering who is in there. however, if we brought gini in, i doubt he would be at the seniority level he was in the squad before - and neither should he be. Klopp's priority will be to his full time players - that's the bloke he is and his team ethic is the basis of everything we do. so in an "everyone is fit" scenario, gini is probably behind both thiago and keita for that left 8 role (maybe even Jones and Milner too) . in that scenario, i don't see how he gets more game time than he is getting in paris. gini isn't stupid, he will know how klopp works and he would be down the pecking order. 

 

so if we are playing a computer game, i see how this loan deal is perfect. but i honestly don't see how it works in a business and professional sense. that's not i haven't got liverpool's best interests at heart. i just don't see how it works to satisfy PSG, LFC and Gini. 

Again, not on about the business side, FSG, wages etc etc. The talk was, would you have him back. It’s not hard. I dont need 1/2 a page of detail explaining reasons why it mightn’t happen coz it won’t. But, I would. 
But to suggest that when everyone is fit, he’d be behind Thiago & Keita, I’ll give you Thiago. But then to say he might even be behind Milner & Jones???? !!!!!!!! Seriously? *shakes head* 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

6 minutes ago, liverpoolsno9 said:

Again, not on about the business side, FSG, wages etc etc. The talk was, would you have him back. It’s not hard. I dont need 1/2 a page of detail explaining reasons why it mightn’t happen coz it won’t. But, I would. 
But to suggest that when everyone is fit, he’d be behind Thiago & Keita, I’ll give you Thiago. But then to say he might even be behind Milner & Jones???? !!!!!!!! Seriously? *shakes head* 

No.

[No2]

7 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

When all are fit he does not start over Fabinho, Thiago or Henderson. 

Last year when all 4 were fit it was always one of the other 3 given a rest. The Barcelona game is the only game he was dropped for in 5 years. No reason to think anything would have changed. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

He wanted a new contract, was not happy with the offer and left for nothing remember. Good luck to him and his huge signing in fee. We’ve moved on.

[m0e]

53 minutes ago, No2 said:

Who did we drop for the 5 years he played consistently? Nobody is the answer, between Gini being a machine and the others injured or needing rest meant he always played. That would still be the case if he hadn't of left, Jones and Elliott would've seen less game time and we would have been more solid defensively but less fluent in attack.  The decision to let him go looks the correct one all things considered.

What a nonsensical statement. He was dropped plenty of times for Oxlade, Milner, and Keita.

 

He never had the competition he would have had right now either.

[m0e]

48 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

When all are fit he does not start over Fabinho, Thiago or Henderson. 

Everybody knows this, of course

[El Rojo]

1 hour ago, m0e said:

Who would you drop from the main 3?

I'd rotate a lot more, as Henderson, Thiago and Fabinho have a tendency to pick up knocks and strains. Gini was bulletproof in that regard. 

 

As I said in a previous post though, all hypothetical as we've moved on and should be looking at bringing in a younger midfielder anyway when you look at the current age profile of the middle third.