Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I'd be more worried about Tantrum Jo pressing the button to blow everybody up.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, moof said:

Opposing the nato bombing campaign in Kosovo. Could be argued from a certain standpoint that it was a justified campaign based on the crimes of the Yugoslav government but I’m pretty sure Corbyn’s opposition was more “let’s find a peaceable solution that doesn’t involve bombing the shit out of people” rather than “fuck the Kosovo people let them be genocided” but whatever. That’s the today agenda. His principled opposition to war and violence is actually, you know, he’s evil or something 

Depends how you want to spin it. A decent honest human being would know it is the first example but a sanctimonious, point scoring gobshite would post to the second one. 

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

It needs to be balanced with the fact that hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan children’s blood wouldn’t have been on his hands, I guess. 

 

For that I think we can only blame the party who was in power at the time. Just jog my memory on that one again?

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Well, let's take Kosovo, which I mentioned earlier.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Jeremy_Corbyn#Kosovo

 

 

 

 

It worries me that if we find ourselves in a similar situation again, where we need to use British forces to prevent a genocide, that Prime Minister Corbyn won't endorse the necessary action.

I wonder if Corbyn would sanction military action against the genocide being committed by the Israelis ? Hmm.... food for though eh SD. 

 

Oh and Dua Lipa still isn't Kosovan. 

 

She is however seriously up there in my top 10. New Entry. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Corbyn is against attempts at ethnic cleansing. That's why he's an advocate for Palestinian rights. 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

For that I think we can only blame the party who was in power at the time. Just jog my memory on that one again?

Well it won't have been the Lib Dems would it! 

 

 

[moof]

Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

For that I think we can only blame the party who was in power at the time. Just jog my memory on that one again?

Making a show of yourself again. Why?

[Numero Veinticinco]

4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

For that I think we can only blame the party who was in power at the time. Just jog my memory on that one again?

New Labour. I think we can’t only blame them though, although I spent years on here doing exactly that, but also the party who voted even more in favour of it, both in terms of numbers and as a percentage of the party (100%). The party with most MPs  against it was also Labour. In any case, I’m not sure what that has to do with Corbyn. If one person isn’t at fault for it it’s him. 

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, moof said:

Making a show of yourself again. Why?

Because he is logged in. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

23 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I'm interested in how you reconcile that with Corbyn's long history of opposing military intervention to stop innocent brown people from being killed.

Jesus fuck!

 

The bombings and invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc did a bang up job of stopping people being killed!

 

Nobhead. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Unfounded. Ok.  

A Labour Government would be an existential threat to Jewish people. 

OK.

[Captain Turdseye]

14 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

It worries me that if we find ourselves in a similar situation again, where we need to use British forces to prevent a genocide, that Prime Minister Corbyn won't endorse the necessary action.

 

 

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

A Labour Government would be an existential threat to Jewish people. 

OK.

Makes you wonder why so many prominent jewish people are so against a Labour government. I'm sure its not tax related. Positive in-fact. Certain of it. 

[Rico1304]

I take it all back!

 

[Bjornebye]

 

 

 

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Makes you wonder why so many prominent jewish people are so against a Labour government. I'm sure its not tax related. Positive in-fact. Certain of it. 

 

The insinuations in this post are really deeply unpleasant. It's also nonsense, given that tax rates in Israel, where most Jewish people would probably flee to, are higher than they are here.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

The insinuations in this post are really deeply unpleasant. It's also nonsense, given that tax rates in Israel, where most Jewish people would probably flee to, are higher than they are here.

What was insinuated? Deeply unpleasant. Do fuck off with that. Where have all the false anti-semitic allegations and smear come from? I'm not saying they don't exist and genuine anti-semitism is awful but there have been so many lies since Corbyn as PM became a real probability it makes you wonder. I certainly have explored a large number of reasons why. Tax just happens to be something else that needs considering. 

 

Re: tax in Israel. Can you show me evidence that the super rich get taxed heavier over there than over here? 

[Bjornebye]

Jewish people make up 20% of the Sunday times Uk rich-list. Tax for the super- rich under Labour will be harsher than under the tories and Corbyn has stated this time and time again. Its a fair point to make. More than fair. People shouldn't be scared of mentioning things like this without fear of someone 'insinuating' it is anti-semitic. 

[Dougie Do'ins]

7 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Any reason you’re doubting him?  

I'm not doubting him because as far as I'm aware, he's not made any comment but something just doesn't seem right.

 

Described as a 'senior rabbi so I'd guess he's getting on a bit.

Was repeatedly punched by two teenagers. Then thrown to the ground where the beating continued and only stopped when a female member of the public intervened.

He was left collapsed on the pavement, bleeding and dazed where he lay for several minutes.

No reports of an ambulance being called.

No reports of a 999 call being made or police attending the scene.

Rabbi not yet known but has since flown back to Israel and then onto the USA.

No comment that we know of from the member of the public who intervened.

 

The only people making comments about the attack are Shomrim security. 

 

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I'm not doubting him either. But, it's not incorrect to state facts. It remains an unsubstantiated allegation. 

[Bjornebye]

23 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

The insinuations in this post are really deeply unpleasant. It's also nonsense, given that tax rates in Israel, where most Jewish people would probably flee to, are higher than they are here.

I've looked into this, you are right. 

[moof]

Nobody is going to flee anywhere, can we stop pretending that as soon as Corbyn is elected the country is going to suddenly become uninhabitable for Jewish people. It’s deranged. 

[cloggypop]

26 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

The insinuations in this post are really deeply unpleasant. It's also nonsense, given that tax rates in Israel, where most Jewish people would probably flee to, are higher than they are here.

Not for Roman Abramovic. 10 year exemption with no declaration required. 

[Dougie Do'ins]

2 hours ago, viRdjil said:

Eeeeeek...

Audrey White spoke to Rodger Phillips on radio merseyside phone in today. Listen to this from 6 mins 45 seconds in.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07tby93

 

Not much later in the same programme, someone called in to accuse the bbc of anti Labour bias of which Phillips was having none of it. 

[Strontium]

31 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

What was insinuated? Deeply unpleasant. Do fuck off with that. Where have all the false anti-semitic allegations and smear come from? I'm not saying they don't exist and genuine anti-semitism is awful but there have been so many lies since Corbyn as PM became a real probability it makes you wonder. I certainly have explored a large number of reasons why. Tax just happens to be something else that needs considering. 

 

I just think you should know better than to assume that the concerns of Jewish people, many of whom have been involved in the labour movement for decades, are not legitimately held (irrespective of whether you think them valid or not), but are secretly motivated by the fear of losing money.