Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Barrington Womble]

6 minutes ago, moof said:

At least the Democratic Party in the US understands it needs to shift lanes to the left to have a remote chance of defeating the far right. Milquetoast centre politics is deader than dead 

The democratic party is in a position where it's core support is growing in population percentage so can afford to move in that direction. It remains to be seen if that can win a presidential election, because it's never fought one. Unlike Corbyn who has fought and general election and lost. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

49 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Never mind Tony Blair 2 - Tony Blair 1 would fucking piss a general election against Johnson.

I sometimes think the last decade or so has passed you by.

[Barrington Womble]

4 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Fair enough. Not good enough for me, because it allows the Tory party to drift as far to the right as they want and Labour to chase them.

I think it works the other way. When labour wins the middle ground, it pulls the Tories in to regain it. In fact it's an absolute 2 way street. With FPTP, the middle ground in this country is where elections are won. It might not even be the most popular place across the population, but it's where the battle ground is. Until we rid ourselves of FPTP, it will continue. 

[Strontium]

2 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I sometimes think the last decade or so has passed you by.

 

A decade in which Tony Blair's three successors as leader have failed to win three general elections, you mean?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

Ok, let's have Boris for 5 years. I think we have to live with the reality England is a right wing nation, labour have lost Scotland, if you want any hope of a labour government, labour needs to win in places where Corbyn will not get elected in england as they're not winning Scotland back any time soon. Rightly or wrongly people are petrified of him. 

I don't think England is as irredeemably  Tory as you think.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

A decade in which Tony Blair's three successors as leader have failed to win three general elections, you mean?

Two of those successors were watered down versions of Blair and continued the trend of Labour’s declining GE vote share that began under Blair and was only reversed by a democratic Socialist.

 

Tony Blair today is almost universally seen as the embodiment of all that is venal, corrupt, dishonest and distant in British politics. 

 

Rolf Harris played Glastonbury in the 90s; that doesn't mean he'd be a hit there today.

[Strontium]

8 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Tony Blair today is almost universally seen as the embodiment of all that is venal, corrupt, dishonest and distant in British politics. 

 

That sounds like the sort of claim that requires supporting evidence.

[Barrington Womble]

18 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I don't think England is as irredeemably  Tory as you think.

I think the key battle ground are irredeemably centrist but if nobody occupies the middle ground, they would prefer a right wing tory government than a left wing labour one. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Brexit will hit the poorest people hardest. Corbyn, at the very least, doesn’t oppose it. 

Rico, champion of the poor. Tory voting, Referendum agreeing Rico, voting to 'look after himself', champion of the poor. 

 

 

[Rico1304]

38 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Rico, champion of the poor. Tory voting, Referendum agreeing Rico, voting to 'look after himself', champion of the poor. 

 

 

What are you on about?  I voted Tory, I’m absolutely against Brexit (but you know that) and I’m not the champion of anyone. That’s your mate. You spout off in the Brexit thread that it’s an unmitigated disaster then trot out the ‘it’s what conference voted for’ bollocks.  You are the one twisting all over the shop.  

[Strontium]

4 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

What are you on about?  I voted Tory, I’m absolutely against Brexit (but you know that) and I’m not the champion of anyone. That’s your mate. You spout off in the Brexit thread that it’s an unmitigated disaster then trot out the ‘it’s what conference voted for’ bollocks.  You are the one twisting all over the shop.  

 

Too late Rico. You voted Tory once and are therefore responsible for everything the Tories do from now until the heat death of the universe.

 

Obviously this perpetual can-carrying does not apply to anyone who voted Labour in the 90s/00s wrt the Iraq War, PFI, invasive surveillance, the collapse of our entire financial system etc.

[sir roger]

We aren't trying to blame the Tories for the Iraq War though are we because they were in opposition at the time.

 

Anyway , what's the collective term for twats ?

 

 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, sir roger said:

We aren't trying to blame the Tories for the Iraq War though are we because they were in opposition at the time.

 

Anyway , what's the collective term for twats ?

 

 

Momentum? 

[sir roger]

You seem obsessed about Momentum , nobody on here even mentions them except you.

[Rico1304]

17 minutes ago, sir roger said:

You seem obsessed about Momentum , nobody on here even mentions them except you.

Do I?  Not sure I’ve mentioned them more than a few times.   Seem like ERG to me, nutcases. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

What are you on about?  I voted Tory, I’m absolutely against Brexit (but you know that) and I’m not the champion of anyone. That’s your mate. You spout off in the Brexit thread that it’s an unmitigated disaster then trot out the ‘it’s what conference voted for’ bollocks.  You are the one twisting all over the shop.  

I think you must have quoted the wrong person. My mate? I'm one of the few on here on the left that regularly hits out at Corbyn. Then the conference stuff... yeah, must have been for somebody else. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

55 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Too late Rico. You voted Tory once

Except, that's not true. And he's only being held to account for the one thing he voted for. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

That sounds like the sort of claim that requires supporting evidence.

Whenever he crops up on the telly, have you ever heard anyone say "Waddaguy! He's who we need right now"?

 

Or is the response more likely to be "Fucking hell, not this cunt again"?

 

I think the fact that the only person on here flying the flag for the war criminal is someone who would happily see the Labour Party crash and burn tells its own story.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

 I voted Tory, I’m absolutely against Brexit 

Not "absolutely".

 

If you were absolutely against Brexit, you wouldn't have voted for the only party to put it on the table. 

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Whenever he crops up on the telly, have you ever heard anyone say "Waddaguy! He's who we need right now"?

 

Or is the response more likely to be "Fucking hell, not this cunt again"?

 

I think the fact that the only person on here flying the flag for the war criminal is someone who would happily see the Labour Party crash and burn tells its own story.

 

I've no doubt that he's unpopular with a great many people. But you are wildly exaggerating when you say it's "almost universal".

 

I think you're a bit confused too if you think I'm flying the flag for Blair. The last thing I want is to see him return. I was just pointing out that he would wipe the floor with Boris Johnson in an election. 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

I've no doubt that he's unpopular with a great many people. But you are wildly exaggerating when you say it's "almost universal".

 

I think you're a bit confused too if you think I'm flying the flag for Blair. The last thing I want is to see him return. I was just pointing out that he would wipe the floor with Boris Johnson in an election. 

Blair would? Tony Blair? I knew you were thick but fuck me thats beyond the pale 

[moof]

2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Do I?  Not sure I’ve mentioned them more than a few times.   Seem like ERG to me, nutcases. 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

22 hours ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

I was just pointing out that he would wipe the floor with Boris Johnson in an election. 

That hypothesis is as baseless and as unlikely to be tested as my hypothesis that no he fucking wouldn't.

[Duff Man]

He's definitely not as unpopular as he should be.

[Megadrive Man]

On 30/06/2019 at 23:41, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

I think you're a bit confused too if you think I'm flying the flag for Blair. The last thing I want is to see him return. I was just pointing out that he would wipe the floor with Boris Johnson in an election. 

I was in draft mode, I thought you meant peak Tony Blair! but you honestly think that 2019 Tony Blair could win an election, without media support and on a remain platform?

 

it would be almost as big a wipeout as Clegg in 2015!