Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[SasaS]

11 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Inequality has risen in Europe since the late 70s. But shhhush about silly little things like that. We are in Strpford wives world here. Opinik will not be tolerated

 

 

But whisper it ..

 

https://voxeu.org/article/forty-years-inequality-europe

 

 

Of course inequality involves a small.little point of a lot of people getting poorer because a lot of people get a good deal richer so I'm probably just being a moaning Minnie.

Yet another article which you don't seem to have actually read.
 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

9 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Yet another article which you don't seem to have actually read.
 

He's far too busy travelling back to the 70's in his Delorean. 

[skend04]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/31/brexit-mess-with-good-friday-and-well-block-uk-trade-deal-us-politicians-warn

 

Democrats reiterating no deal with the US if we fuck with the GFA. We seem to be quite attracted to no deals at the moment.

 

There again, the Tories might just get rid of NI and that'd solve that.

[Rico1304]

Gnasher, are you having Findus Crispy Pancakes and Birds Eye Potato Waffles for tea? 

 

Anyway, David Frost said he’s not a fan of maintaining workers rights as promised by May. Who could possibly have predicted that?  

[Gnasher]

4 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Gnasher, are you having Findus Crispy Pancakes and Birds Eye Potato Waffles for tea? 

 

Anyway, David Frost said he’s not a fan of maintaining workers rights as promised by May. Who could possibly have predicted that?  

Fuck me I quite enjoyed Findus Crispy Pancakes, I forgot about them. I take it all back.

[Gnasher]

11 hours ago, SasaS said:

Yet another article which you don't seem to have actually read.
 

Fuck me, this has got to be the most centre right message forum in the north west of england.

 

 

I ask you. Do you think equality in Europe has narrowed and  improved  in Europe in the past 30 years? 

[Gnasher]

Awfully sorry to upset the luvvies on here with a few unfortunatel facts but here you go

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/food-bank-uk-benefits-trussell-trust-cost-of-living-highest-rate-a8317001.html

 

 

[skend04]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Awfully sorry to upset the luvvies on here with a few unfortunatel facts but here you go

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/food-bank-uk-benefits-trussell-trust-cost-of-living-highest-rate-a8317001.html

 

 

Caused by Tory austerity you mong. The same Tories you're siding with over that thing you didn't vote in. Take this over to a different thread.

[SasaS]

25 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Fuck me, this has got to be the most centre right message forum in the north west of england.

 

 

I ask you. Do you think equality in Europe has narrowed and  improved  in Europe in the past 30 years? 

I don't know, I guess it hasn't, globalization and technology seems to have increased income inequality in developed countries over that period, which the article you linked kind of acknowledges. The article also seems to suggest that the factors influencing income inequality are mostly internal, country by country or region, since there are variations between regions and between countries depending on their particular redistribution through tax model.

[Gnasher]

36 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Caused by Tory austerity you mong. The same Tories you're siding with over that thing you didn't vote in. Take this over to a different thread.

Thanks for the insult but you do realise mass  inequality is not just an English thing to be proud ?

 

 

. I could cite somewhere like Greece but it seems the elite on here would rather not discuss it.

[Gnasher]

12 minutes ago, SasaS said:

I don't know, I guess it hasn't, globalization and technology seems to have increased income inequality in developed countries over that period, which the article you linked kind of acknowledges. The article also seems to suggest that the factors influencing income inequality are mostly internal, country by country or region, since there are variations between regions and between countries depending on their particular redistribution through tax model.

Yes I take your points about globalization. It's a tricky one to assess that's true, but on the whole inequality has widened and life has got harder; it's the the way it is.

[Megadrive Man]

Leaving the EU is something that should never have been put to a public vote in the first place! Its not fucking Love Island or X Factor!

 

Leavers hate it when people say they don't know what they were voting for, but its true! How could anybody possibly know all the implications of leaving the European Union, without knowing how we would leave and the impact it would have on so many different things? Even now people don't really know and Brexit is 4 months overdue!

 

Also the reasons some people voted leave were nothing to actually do with leaving the European Union! I know 5 people that only voted leave because they wanted David Cameron to resign. I know one person that voted leave because 'there are too many Asians coming in to this country'! Theo Paphitis voted leave, not because he wanted to leave, but he wanted the EU to reform and renegotiate with us!! Imagine thinking that by voting leave your vote would be interpreted as reform and renegotiate! Many many people literally only voted leave because of the 350 million nhs bus bullshit!    

 

The problem is there is no way to fix it. A second referendum would still end up being close, and even if remain were to win all it would do is mean the Brexit Party would continue to rise as all the angry Brexiteers would vote for them at the next election. A snap election won't solve anything as both the major parties have so many leave and remain voters, it would probably lead to a Tory paryt propped up by Farage.

 

I honestly don't see any good way out of this? 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Fuck me, this has got to be the most centre right message forum in the north west of england.

 

Nonsense like this is the reason I've given up mud-wrestling this pig.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

21 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

Also the reasons some people voted leave were nothing to actually do with leaving the European Union! I know 5 people that only voted leave because they wanted David Cameron to resign. I know one person that voted leave because 'there are too many Asians coming in to this country'! Theo Paphitis voted leave, not because he wanted to leave, but he wanted the EU to reform and renegotiate with us!! Imagine thinking that by voting leave your vote would be interpreted as reform and renegotiate! Many many people literally only voted leave because of the 350 million nhs bus bullshit!    

 

A woman I work with voted to leave the EU because she didn't like the European Court of Human Rights.  Leaving aside the obvious point that humans have a vested interest in the protection of human rights, I told her that the ECHR isn't an EU institution and that we would still be a member after Brexit.  She just went quiet and blinked a bit.

[Lario]

Do any non-politicians within the EU have any interest in Brexit?

 

We in Ireland obviously do, withe whole border thing.

But places like Italy or Greece. Is it even registering?

[Gnasher]

52 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

Leaving the EU is something that should never have been put to a public vote in the first place! Its not fucking Love Island or X Factor!

 

Leavers hate it when people say they don't know what they were voting for, but its true! How could anybody possibly know all the implications of leaving the European Union, without knowing how we would leave and the impact it would have on so many different things? Even now people don't really know and Brexit is 4 months overdue!

 

Also the reasons some people voted leave were nothing to actually do with leaving the European Union! I know 5 people that only voted leave because they wanted David Cameron to resign. I know one person that voted leave because 'there are too many Asians coming in to this country'! Theo Paphitis voted leave, not because he wanted to leave, but he wanted the EU to reform and renegotiate with us!! Imagine thinking that by voting leave your vote would be interpreted as reform and renegotiate! Many many people literally only voted leave because of the 350 million nhs bus bullshit!    

 

The problem is there is no way to fix it. A second referendum would still end up being close, and even if remain were to win all it would do is mean the Brexit Party would continue to rise as all the angry Brexiteers would vote for them at the next election. A snap election won't solve anything as both the major parties have so many leave and remain voters, it would probably lead to a Tory paryt propped up by Farage.

 

I honestly don't see any good way out of this? 

 

 

A lot of good points and very sensible but life and politics sometime need the irrational, which is what whe have now got. Out of chaos comes order. The old guard had to fall, the future is now there for the taking .

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Lario said:

Do any non-politicians within the EU have any interest in Brexit?

 

We in Ireland obviously do, withe whole border thing.

But places like Italy or Greece. Is it even registering?

Not so much as here is my guess although as a side note i do know the the youth of Greece gave the eu  president Junaker a very very  warm welcome the last time he went there. They pelted the cunt with petrol bombs

 

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[M_B]

7 minutes ago, Lario said:

Do any non-politicians within the EU have any interest in Brexit?

 

We in Ireland obviously do, withe whole border thing.

But places like Italy or Greece. Is it even registering?

My Italian in laws and friends don't care at all. It's not even discussed. Next to nothing on the news about it either.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

15 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

A lot of good points and very sensible but life and politics sometime need the irrational, which is what whe have now got. Out of chaos comes order. The old guard had to fall, the future is now there for the taking .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pci3TUFwCfg

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

17 minutes ago, Lario said:

Do any non-politicians within the EU have any interest in Brexit?

 

We in Ireland obviously do, withe whole border thing.

But places like Italy or Greece. Is it even registering?

There's probably a fair few Spaniards in the Costa del Gobshite dreaming of sending the obese Anglo-Saxon walking piles of skin cancer back to the shithole country they came from.

[Colonel Bumcunt]

13 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

   

The problem is there is no way to fix it. A second referendum would still end up being close, and even if remain were to win all it would do is mean the Brexit Party would continue to rise as all the angry Brexiteers would vote for them at the next election. A snap election won't solve anything as both the major parties have so many leave and remain voters, it would probably lead to a Tory paryt propped up by Farage.

 

I honestly don't see any good way out of this? 

 

 

The way to fix it is to approach it like Labour have.

You approach it with the intention of seeing if we can still 'leave', but whilst retaining the bits that don't eviscerate us economically, ie, retaining Single Market.

 

The Tory method is divisive and poison.

The Lib Dem is equally divisive.

The middle ground is to acknowledge the 2016 opinion poll, and seek to appease the moderates on each side, and fuck the far left and far right sensibilities.  

 

I dare say that, eventually, Labour would reach a position where it made a deal that most in the country could live with.  That's as good as this gets, that's how we 'get out' of this and moving on to domestic matters.

 

The Tories are destined to fail, for not recognising this.  The likes of Hammond and Guake and Gyimah and Stewart, etc, they all get this.  That is why they will vote against this sack of shit government in a no confidence motion in September. 

[Strontium]

31 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

The way to fix it is to approach it like Labour have.

You approach it with the intention of seeing if we can still 'leave', but whilst retaining the bits that don't eviscerate us economically, ie, retaining Single Market.

 

The 2017 Labour Party manifesto committed us to leaving the single market.

[Pureblood]

2 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

The 2017 Labour Party manifesto committed us to leaving the single market.

Where did you get that from? 

 

All I can find is this from page 24:-

 

We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first.

 

There is no mention of leaving the Single Market in the rest of the manifesto. 

 

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf

[Pureblood]

Negged for lying.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Johnson and that piss licking bulldog Foster both claiming a No Deal scenario would all be down to the EU. Talk about being both arrogant and stupid.