Go fuck yourselves FSG

[Guest davelfc]

 

I've got to say, I wouldn't be too against his appointment. He will have learnt a couole of things from Chelsea and that experience probably won't do him any harm. I'd be very excited to see what he can do.

 

I'd take him over Martinez and for me that he didn't fit in with that abomination of a club chelsea, actually makes me like him more.

[Cardie]

They could also have taken a punt on the possibility that the man who took Blackburn from the second tier to the league title in four years, all on the back of his own signings, might still know a bit about buying players and be able learn from his mistakes and put them right, rather than conclude that all his transfer savvy had been permanently sucked out of his brain after one bad summer.

 

He also had spells at Celtic and Newcastle after Blackburn though (didn't he dismantle a team that finished 2nd twice at Newcastle and bring in the likes of Stuart Pearce to replace them?), It's not like his Career went Liverpool (winning titles) - Blackburn (winning titles) - Liverpool (sacked after one awful season).

[Guest San Don]

There's a huge area between the two extremes that they could have slid into, the transfers were, by and large, a catastrophe and the lack of performance by both the new and old players were what led to Dalglish's sacking be it through lack of ability, lack of effort or the manager just not getting the best out of them.

 

Well talk about hedging yer fucking bets! A huge area between two extremes, what sort of gobblydegook is that?

 

The fact of the matter is when you have to introduced 3 or 4 new players into a team, it takes time to gell (except if you're a proponent of Football manager, i guess where the pc makes it all 'ok).

 

I know you had a monk on from the start of the season saying we were playing shite blah, blah, blah but the fact is the football played was generally very good and at times excellent between August and early march. There had been about 5 what id call poor performances up to then (yeah, as I said, I know you think they were all shit). It was the results that were admittedly disappointing.

 

But I am intrigued, discounting Benitez because whatever anyone may thinks, he wont be offered the job by FSG, who is your realistic choice to replace the King?

[TheDrowningMan]

 

I'd take him over Martinez and for me that he didn't fit in with that abomination of a club chelsea, actually makes me like him more.

 

He also had a very good start in the CL - they topped a tricky group with a GD worse than only Real and Barca. Whatever their league form (and it was slightly better under AVB, though their end of season resting probably makes it equal, in fairness) they were already showing form in Europe, the stomping ground you'd expect to be his strongest.

[Guest San Don]

He also had spells at Celtic and Newcastle after Blackburn though (didn't he dismantle a team that finished 2nd twice at Newcastle and bring in the likes of Stuart Pearce to replace them?), It's not like his Career went Liverpool (winning titles) - Blackburn (winning titles) - Liverpool (sacked after one awful season).

 

Think you'll find he was rebuilding Newcastle who were an aging side past its Keegan peak when he arrived but dont let facts get in your way. And why miss out him getting Newcastle to a cup final with this 'dismantled side'?

 

And he stepped in at Celtic after they got rid of John barnes.

[Randy Marsh]

The interesting thing his game for game ratio is actually better than RDM. I'm not taking anything away from his achievement but in my opinion they have basically played a flat back 9 against any top side they've played against and it has somehow paid off.

[Guest San Don]

The interesting thing his game for game ratio is actually better than RDM. I'm not taking anything away from his achievement but in my opinion they have basically played a flat back 9 against any top side they've played against and it has somehow paid off.

 

Just mentioning chelshit's win last night (can the lurker add his ubiquitous tag?), I bet we dont see any comments about the best team 'doesnt always win the CL' or 'yeah, they only won it on pens, though.'

[Cardie]

Well talk about hedging yer fucking bets! A huge area between two extremes, what sort of gobblydegook is that?

 

It's fairly simple, Carroll, Downing, Adam and Henderson were shockingly bad for most of the season - That's one end of the spectrum.

 

Settling immediately and 'banging them in for fun - that's the other end of the spectrum.

 

Somewhere inbetween may have seen us pick up more points and Kenny still being in a job.

 

As for his replacement, who knows. I've already said the best of the realistic, known targets is Villas-Boas, but beyond that I don't know who's available or even who I would want.

[Guest San Don]

It's fairly simple, Carroll, Downing, Adam and Henderson were shockingly bad for most of the season - That's one end of the spectrum.

 

Settling immediately and 'banging them in for fun - that's the other end of the spectrum.

 

Somewhere inbetween may have seen us pick up more points and Kenny still being in a job.

 

Just the same as if 75%, 50% or even 25% of those shots that hit the post had of gone in but you conveniently overlook that in your quest.

 

 

As for his replacement, who knows. I've already said the best of the realistic, known targets is Villas-Boas, but beyond that I don't know who's available or even who I would want.

 

But you're 'content' that the King is out of the job. Let's hope your next manager has a better fist of it otherwise we are looking for a 5th manager in 12 months time. Hey-ho!

[Cardie]

Think you'll find he was rebuilding Newcastle who were an aging side past its Keegan peak when he arrived but dont let facts get in your way. And why miss out him getting Newcastle to a cup final with this 'dismantled side'?

 

And he stepped in at Celtic after they got rid of John barnes.

 

He signed Ian Rush, John Barnes and Stuart Pearce who were all well into their 30's as well. Granted he also signed Given and Speed.

[Cardie]

Just the same as if 75%, 50% or even 25% of those shots that hit the post had of gone in but you conveniently overlook that in your quest.

 

If Cech hadn't of made that save we might have won two cups, or if Kenny Miller had shown more composure we might have won none. Not sure we can rely on the fine margins as any sort of proof one way or the other when it comes to success.

 

But you're 'content' that the King is out of the job. Let's hope your next manager has a better fist of it otherwise we are looking for a 5th manager in 12 months time. Hey-ho!

 

How many times do I have to say I would have given him another season before it sinks in?

[Guest San Don]

How many times do I have to say I would have given him another season before it sinks in?

 

You might say that but your posts go on about thing being unacceptable, his career after Blackburn ie Celtic, dismantling a newcastle side blah, blah, blah.

 

Yeah, your posts are really consistent with your claim about wanting him to stay on!

[Cardie]

You might say that but your posts go on about thing being unacceptable, his career after Blackburn ie Celtic, dismantling a newcastle side blah, blah, blah.

 

Yeah, your posts are really consistent with your claim about wanting him to stay on!

 

So you have to buy in to the idea that someone is unimpeachable in order to still want them around?

[Guest San Don]

He signed Ian Rush, John Barnes and Stuart Pearce who were all well into their 30's as well. Granted he also signed Given and Speed.

 

Yes and why did Keegan leave Newcastle? I'll save you the trouble, because after Hall bailed, Shepherd decided the days of nufc spending big had gone and keegan had the prospect of rebuilding with no money, hence him doing a runner.

 

That's why Dalglish at newcastle had to bring in the likes of Rush, barnes and Pearce. Like I said, dont let solid facts get in the way of your crusade.

 

Oh sorry, forgot, you wanted him to be given another season, LOL!

[Guest San Don]

So you have to buy in to the idea that someone is unimpeachable in order to still want them around?

 

If you dont want to get into the realms of sacking managers every 12 months, it's a good idea.

 

Still answering questions with questions, I see. Ho-hum.

[Cardie]

Yes and why did Keegan leave Newcastle? I'll save you the trouble, because after Hall bailed, Shepherd decided the days of nufc spending big had gone and keegan had the prospect of rebuilding with no money, hence him doing a runner.

 

That's why Dalglish at newcastle had to bring in the likes of Rush, barnes and Pearce. Like I said, dont let solid facts get in the way of your crusade.

 

Oh sorry, forgot, you wanted him to be given another season, LOL!

 

Guivarch, Pistone, Andersson, Griffin, Speed, Given - They weren't signed with Buttons.

 

Me wanting Dalglish to stay is entirely a sentimental reason because of who he is, I have no problem with the footballing reason for him going because our results weren't good enough.

[Cardie]

If you dont want to get into the realms of sacking managers every 12 months, it's a good idea.

 

What that got to do with sacking somebody, I asked if you could support someone but still ask questions, you obviously don't think so. Fine.

 

Still answering questions with questions, I see. Ho-hum.

 

Twice in eight or nine responses but whatever floats your boat.

[Guest San Don]

Guivarch, Pistone, Andersson, Griffin, Speed, Given - They weren't signed with Buttons.

 

Compared to the money Keegan splashed they were. Oh and Given, signed from Blackburn by Newcastle for £1.5m!! Garry Speed, signed for £5.5m, Andy Griffin, signed for £1.5m. Yeah, hardly 'buttons.'

 

Me wanting Dalglish to stay is entirely a sentimental reason because of who he is, I have no problem with the footballing reason for him going because our results weren't good enough.

 

Well that's a dichotomy. Whatever floats your boat.

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

Think you'll find he was rebuilding Newcastle who were an aging side past its Keegan peak when he arrived but dont let facts get in your way. And why miss out him getting Newcastle to a cup final with this 'dismantled side'?]

Kenny ended up at celtic as DOF and then became involved in some group trying to buy the club.

 

He brought or had a very major say in appointing Barnes as manager and when it went tits up for Barnes Kenny had to take over as interim manager.

 

He became involved in a battle with the media up there.

 

Celtic who still could win the league lost a few games on the run and ended up not offering Kenny the job but got O neill in as manager.

 

He wouldnt work with a dof and they tried to move Kenny into another position which he wouldnt accept.

 

Then it turned really nasty with the board terminating Kennys contract and Kenny suing the club and winning the case.

 

Theres still some up there who arnt very happy with him.

[Neil G]

But with the massive waste of money that had already happened on players that were nowhere near worth what was paid was that a risk worth taking. It may have been that as bad as the last batch had been the next batch could have been good but how often is that the case.

 

 

If FSG had been able to ask the kind of questions that I alluded to in my reply to Section, and if they'd got satisfactory answers, then yes, it would have been a risk worth taking. However, the cack-handed way they're going about appointing a new manager leads me to believe they're still not clued up enough about how European football works to ask those kinds of questions.

 

 

He also had spells at Celtic and Newcastle after Blackburn though (didn't he dismantle a team that finished 2nd twice at Newcastle and bring in the likes of Stuart Pearce to replace them?), It's not like his Career went Liverpool (winning titles) - Blackburn (winning titles) - Liverpool (sacked after one awful season).

 

 

He didn't dismantle the Newcastle side, he sold Ferdinand and Ginola who'd both turned 30, and Asprilla who he reckoned was a disruptive influence and who many people credit with Newcastle's title collapse in 1996, and replaced them with younger players. The three signings you mention were squad players on freebies to bring some experience to the side. I don't know that he had a lot of money to spend in his first summer, I've heard plenty of claims that one of the reasons Keegan resigned was because the board wouldn’t make enough money available to him.

 

Losing Shearer to injury in pre-season was a massive blow, I think it might have been on the same day they sold Ferdinand. By the time he came back after Christmas they were well out of the title race, and jibbed off any real effort in the league in order to focus on the cup.

 

He actually made some good signings for Newcastle. Given, Speed, Hamann and Solano were all clearly hits. Ketsbaia was a good player on a free, Tomasson was quality but just didn't cut it in the Prem, Andersson was shite I'll grant you. Guivarch is sometimes used as a stick to beat him with, but he was top scorer in France (two years running with different clubs) and also in the UEFA Cup before Kenny signed him, and only played a handful of games under Kenny before he was sacked. Gullit bombed him out shortly afterwards.

 

Kenny's big failing at Newcastle wasn't his signings, it was his conservative tactics and lack of adventure. I presume this was a response to Keegan's swashbuckling approach which he felt needed changing, but it didn't work. That shouldn't come into the equation when judging him at Liverpool though, as he certainly didn't look to rein in our attacking play while he was here.

 

I can't comment on his signings at Celtic as I don't know who they bought that season. In terms of him managing the side though, he only did it for a few months after Barnes was sacked and won the League Cup, so hardly an unmitigated disaster there.

[Section_31]

Managers get judged on two things more than any other (1) their signings and (2) results. With regards the second point, it wasn't just the Code-esque stats this season either, it was the regular defeats to poor opposition, we actually got to the point where we expected losses. I expected to lose to Swansea, not just because we're shit, but because I knew our mindset was a disgrace.

 

That's why I was pretty pissed off when we beat Cheslea 4-1. Everyone saying things like 'we needed that', but it was almost embarassing. The fact we shit out of the FA Cup but then took the opportunity to bang a few easy and meaningless goals against a side preparing for the CL final. It was like watching your best mate standing still while you get the shit kicked out of you, but then when everyone has gone he punches the wall and tells you what he'd 'like to do' to them if he ever sees them in the street again. Yeah, thanks for that.

 

It's not just a poor side, it's a cowardly side, a side with no spirit, desire to win or seemingly any self respect.

 

But for me it's his signings which cost Kenny the job.

 

Houllier and Rafa were able to buy a lot of goodwill with their first summers' transfer business, both pretty outstanding in general, even though their transfer dealings went gradually down hill over the course of their Liverpool careers, with notable exceptions such as Torres and McAllister.

 

Even when we had poor results, people could point to those initial signings as reason for optimism, and both came along at just the right time - as Liverpool was staring into the mid table abyss.

 

Last summer we spent more money in one go on a handful of players than we'd ever done before, and they were all an absolute disaster bar-none. There's just no escaping that fact, and regardless of who the manager was - that was always going to prove to be a defining issue.

[Guest San Don]

Think you'll find he was rebuilding Newcastle who were an aging side past its Keegan peak when he arrived but dont let facts get in your way. And why miss out him getting Newcastle to a cup final with this 'dismantled side'?]

Kenny ended up at celtic as DOF and then became involved in some group trying to buy the club.

 

He brought or had a very major say in appointing Barnes as manager and when it went tits up for Barnes Kenny had to take over as interim manager.

 

He became involved in a battle with the media up there.

 

Celtic who still could win the league lost a few games on the run and ended up not offering Kenny the job but got O neill in as manager.

 

He wouldnt work with a dof and they tried to move Kenny into another position which he wouldnt accept.

 

Then it turned really nasty with the board terminating Kennys contract and Kenny suing the club and winning the case.

 

Theres still some up there who arnt very happy with him.

 

I remember speaking to celtic fans who thought he was a god. Then when he signed for us he was the devils spawn, moving on because his dad's supermarket was going bankrupt etc, etc.

 

I've no idea if his father owned a supermarket or not but I well remember the vitriol out of their mouths. So Im not the least bit surprised there are still some not happy with him.

 

besides that, WTF has that got to do with his LFC career?

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

 

I remember speaking to celtic fans who thought he was a god. Then when he signed for us he was the devils spawn, moving on because his dad's supermarket was going bankrupt etc, etc.

 

I've no idea if his father owned a supermarket or not but I well remember the vitriol out of their mouths. So Im not the least bit surprised there are still some not happy with him.

 

besides that, WTF has that got to do with his LFC career?

About as much as his newcastle and blackburn one?

[Dr. J]

What we need is a ruthless fucking bastard who is going to get the last drop out these players. Who will basically say to them that whilst they'll never walk alone they will certainly sit or train alone if they don't show the physical and mental wherewithal to advance in the league.

 

The manager's job is to get the most out of the players. For this team, at this time, in this place, we need fucking results and a mindset that plays every minute of every match like their life depended on it.

 

Anything else is just bullshitting. Yeah, we all love Kenny - but not enough players were afraid of losing their jobs. We got what we deserved.

 

My own choice would be Didier Deschamps - at least amongst what's really possible. Won everything as a player at big clubs and is not likely to be intimidated by any malcontents in the changing room.

[fin-bat]

If we can´t appoint RB or AVB, then we should consider RDM or RDB, if they are available. I´m sure SG, JM and AC would be delighted if we went down that route.