Go fuck yourselves FSG

[AussieRed]

At some point people are going to begin to realise that a squad which has finished 7th, 6th and 8th in the league is in no sense "at the same level as" one which has finished 4th, 5th and 4th in the same time frame. We're shit, and we have a hell of a lot of work to do. A managerial merry-go-round based on over-inflated expectations is not going to help.

 

I agree in part. But, part of the manager's job is to improve the squad. I don't know if that was Kenny's or Commolli's fault. A lot of money was spent. poorly. I think our squad was poor but do you think that our squad is the same level as Fulham's?

[zigackly]

I think our performance was as poor as Fulham's, and I'm not willing to give the bunch of shithouses we have in our team the benefit of the doubt. There's also, at this stage, no longer any point in looking backwards at whose fault it was. We need to be moving forward, and time is ticking. At the moment there are absolutely no elements in place of a structure which would allow us to address the undoubted problems in our squad, and that is a huge, huge problem for next season unless quick action is taken.

[serenejim]

Its the players that count.:wallbutt: Thats where we are deficient. You can change the management and backroom staff all you want but in the end its what you put on the pitch that counts. FSG are pursuing what my old dad used to say is "an arse over tip" strategy. Get the off field stuff right and all will be well. Well my news to them is this is bollocks. If you have a mid table playing staff you will have a mid table team whoever is in charge . If you have a top table playing staff you will have -all things being equal- a top table team. They should have retained Kenny giving him a clear order its top four or the sack for him then given him a big enough wodge of cash to strengthen the team to top table quality. Its the old adage about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic whilst its sinking. It makes absolutely no difference to the final outcome. In our case we will sink lower unless quality players are brought in.

[Gym Beglin]

It's a little misleading, that's £1.8m in prize funds, but what about gate receipts, and what about the final itself, do we not get an income from that?

 

Still, yes, an appallingly low amount of money compared to the Champions League.

[gkmacca]

There's no reason, so far, to think that they know what they're doing. Do they want, first and foremost, a manager who will fit into their system, or do they want a manager who has the clearest ability to win things? Fulfilling the former won't necessarily fulfil the latter. History suggests that one should choose a manager and then build a structure around him that suits his strengths (and weaknesses). There's no logical reason why you can't reverse that, but it's a massive gamble even for people who understand football inside and out, and it seems an hubristic move for a couple of businessmen in Boston. Then there's the PR, which was supposed to have improved: these 'savvy' people have already rattled or alienated several managers (and clubs) by letting it be known they're going to interview as many as twelve candidates, and they've let themselves appear either incoherent or hypocritical by allowing Ayre to jumble up all kinds of reasons why Dalglish couldn't have been given more time but a new manager will be given it even if he doesn't reach the oh-so-important targets next season. Blind faith is normally sneered at on these forums, but many seem to be willing to show it to these dubious characters. There's nothing intrinsically good about being 'decisive' - any idiot can be decisive and consistently wrong - or 'ruthless' (ditto), and yet these vague abstractions seem to fill some with great hope and reassurance. Apart from the patronising platitudes about 'the Liverpool family' (yeah, right), I haven't heard anything but knowingly disingenuous pronouncements and evasive waffle from either Henry or Werner, while the supremely smug and self-satisfied Ayre could rival Comical Ali for his witless witterings. The whole bunch represent a loud and ugly vomit of obtuseness.

[shaunstrudwick]

They should have retained Kenny giving him a clear order its top four or the sack for him then given him a big enough wodge of cash to strengthen the team to top table quality

 

i thought this was the clear order last summer? and also £100m on fees is not to be sniffed at

 

however a net outlay of £50m - going by the accounts published - is not enough to get us back into the top 4 but i feel that a net £100m would have been enough - that's another top winger and top midfielder right there

 

equally though i wouldn't have entrusted Comolli and/or Kenny with greater funds than those which they were given (based on who we targeted)

 

another £50m net spend is the minimum requirement again this summer if we are to get into the top 4 - assuming the cash is spent on players who will actually improve the squad

 

whether FSG want to spend that much is another matter entirely

[gkmacca]

Ayre briefed hacks at the weekend that fifth or sixth would be high enough next season.

[zigackly]

They want their cake and eat it; I think that's clear.

[gkmacca]

I doubt they'd even know what kind of cake they want.

[zigackly]

Ayre briefed hacks at the weekend that fifth or sixth would be high enough next season.

 

Cunts.

[ratcatcher]

There's no reason, so far, to think that they know what they're doing. Do they want, first and foremost, a manager who will fit into their system, or do they want a manager who has the clearest ability to win things? Fulfilling the former won't necessarily fulfil the latter. History suggests that one should choose a manager and then build a structure around him that suits his strengths (and weaknesses). There's no logical reason why you can't reverse that, but it's a massive gamble even for people who understand football inside and out, and it seems an hubristic move for a couple of businessmen in Boston. Then there's the PR, which was supposed to have improved: these 'savvy' people have already rattled or alienated several managers (and clubs) by letting it be known they're going to interview as many as twelve candidates, and they've let themselves appear either incoherent or hypocritical by allowing Ayre to jumble up all kinds of reasons why Dalglish couldn't have been given more time but a new manager will be given it even if he doesn't reach the oh-so-important targets next season. Blind faith is normally sneered at on these forums, but many seem to be willing to show it to these dubious characters. There's nothing intrinsically good about being 'decisive' - any idiot can be decisive and consistently wrong - or 'ruthless' (ditto), and yet these vague abstractions seem to fill some with great hope and reassurance. Apart from the patronising platitudes about 'the Liverpool family' (yeah, right), I haven't heard anything but knowingly disingenuous pronouncements and evasive waffle from either Henry or Werner, while the supremely smug and self-satisfied Ayre could rival Comical Ali for his witless witterings. The whole bunch represent a loud and ugly vomit of obtuseness.

 

Did you eat a dictionary?

[Guest davelfc]

Ayre briefed hacks at the weekend that fifth or sixth would be high enough next season.

 

Is that managers sacked or position?

[RobbieOR]

6th would have been high enough this season. The fact we were 8th, 17 points off Spurs with 4 wins since January was the reason it wasnt good enough.

[gkmacca]

Is that managers sacked or position?

 

Ha, very good.

[Guest davelfc]

Well FSG clearly don't understand the distraction of the cups. Had we been knocked out of both earlier I am confident that we would have accumulated more points.

[Brownie]

Surely that can't be true about Ayre briefing the media about the clubs expectations?!

[TheHowieLama]

I doubt they'd even know what kind of cake they want.

 

poundcake

[gkmacca]

Surely that can't be true about Ayre briefing the media about the clubs expectations?!

 

I'm sure if you search yesterday's and today's reports there will be enough mentining that point to show that briefings have happened.

[ratcatcher]

woould love to be a fly on henry and werners wall when they got news another one off their list had said no!

[Guest davelfc]

woould love to be a fly on henry and werners wall when they got news another one off their list had said no!

 

You think they have a list? I think they're pulling from from a hat myself. (I cleaned that up a little too)

[Bobby Hundreds]

We should have an Enders game like school. Some little shit ripping up champ manager like Steven hawkings on speed and wd40.

[ratcatcher]

You think they have a list? I think they're pulling from from a hat myself. (I cleaned that up a little too)

 

good point!

[Guest davelfc]

I recommend people to make a post saying how it's to early to judge FSG and that surely we should wait to see what they do, who they appoint and how well he does before ripping in to them calling them clueless etc.

 

Then you can continually bring it up much later IF you are proved correct and nobody and I mean nobody will think you're a twat for doing it.

[zigackly]

I recommend people to make a post saying how it's to early to judge FSG and that surely we should wait to see what they do, who they appoint and how well he does before ripping in to them calling them clueless etc.

 

Then you can continually bring it up much later IF you are proved correct and nobody and I mean nobody will think you're a twat for doing it.

 

No offence intended Dave, but I don't post on here to be right or for what people might think of me, so I reckon I am just going to carry on saying it as I see it.

[Guest davelfc]

No offence intended Dave, but I don't post on here to be right or for what people might think of me, so I reckon I am just going to carry on saying it as I see it.

 

That was sort of my point.