Kenny vs Henry

[Pliskken]

"awkward"- you can't know this, just speculative.

As long as the team is showing clear improvement, reaching finals,and the business is making money I think they will be happy.

4th place? Let's see where we are at the end of the season. I don't think they will sack Kenny if we win a trophy- he's probably already done enough to get to the end of his contract.

I've noticed you always post stuff like this when the team is on a high- strikes me a bit of "look at me, look at me"...

[piscinin]

Is it ?

I wasnt aware of this and thats not to suggest you are wrong but how is common knowledge exactly ?

 

Come on dude, it was in the "news"papers. It must be true.

[Trucker Paddy]

And people question wether we're the most knowledgable fans in the world with the amount of expert mind-readers among us!

[col06]

ridiculous thread

[silverlining]

I don't think they should sack Kenny

 

We won't get back into Europe and fuck knows about the cups, but nobody can sack Kenny Dalglish, despite how shit our transfer business has been.

 

I said he should get another season, regardless of what happen in this one.

 

But I wonder what our owners, who aren't Liverpool fans, who don't know anything about football, who don't know anything about our club or city.....I wonder what they think.

 

I worry what they think.

[Chinandeler Bong]

Come on dude, it was in the "news"papers. It must be true.

 

Haha, but seriously, where does that come from ?

That they didnt really want to give Kenny the Job ?

If they didnt they would of told Kenny in the Summer and Kenny would of been fine with it, as would the fans.

[silverlining]

Come on dude, it was in the "news"papers. It must be true.

 

It is true. Trust me.

[mouse1989]

For starters he was given the role of a caretaker manager at first due to having knowledge of the club and already having a role in the academy. This allowed FSG (Henry and co) time to look for a manager they seem fit enough to manage the club whilst knowing the club were in 'safe hands' With Kenny doing a fantastic job, they had to give it him due to the results we were getting on the pitch. None of this, it wasn't they fucking first choice, they're business men and they'll do what's right for the company they own and not just to keep fans happy. For them, it's probably a massive bonus that Kenny got the results so it allowed them to get the backing of the fans so early on.

 

If Kenny wasn't getting the results do you think they would've offered him a permanent deal and risk losing millions just to keep fans happy? Bollocks. They knew he's the right man for the job has proven in the past few days.

[Guest ShoePiss]

It is true. Trust me.

 

But you quite happily gave money to Duncan Oldham, no thanks I don't think I'll trust your knowledge or judgement.

[Guest LFD]

LFD, I'm not saying he should be fired. I said before Hodgson got the job that if that budgie-faced cunt was being considered, Kenny should get it. Correctly.

 

So I was delighted he got the job. But let's not pretend that if sentiment was absent, he'd have been top of the shortlist. The best possible manager we couild have appointed.

 

I saw post after post saying that he was somehow the best available manager in world football. Painful, awful, embarrassing drivel.

 

I've been critical of his signings, some of which have been dreadful. Most of which have been overpriced.

I've been critical of his tactical acumen. But neither of these things would be a surprise to anyone who kept a close eye on his tenure at Newcastle.

 

But I'm still delighted Kenny is our manager. I'm trying to be realistic and objective.

 

My point is what the owners think. What they might do. What they can do.

 

Appointing Kenny was not in the gameplan.

 

 

Did FSG have a game plan? They were new to football and they listened, did a lot of reviewing and then made a judgement.

 

I don't think they are the type of people who have a formula set in stone. They want success, they want to see a manager who can provide that, can make us progress and I think they have been impressed with the way Dalglish cares and talks about the club.

 

Ideally they might have wanted a young manager, someone who could be here for 15 - 20 years and build a dynasty. But we weren't in an ideal situation... Mourinho, Hiddink etc weren't available at the time. We needed someone to steady a ship whcih was rocking and Dalglish was the obvious man given he was already at the club and his past experience in management. He thrived and rightly got the job long term and FSG are happy with him, so why the need to change?

 

I don't think FSG are the type of people who look at isolated incidents and then make rash judgements. For example the Carroll transfer. It looks an awful deal at £35 million. But Carroll did fit the critieria of being young, talented (don't laugh), helped our English quota and he ticked a lot of boxes at the time. The transfer hasn't worked, but it hasn't even cost us anything really as we got £50 million for Torres and good fees for Babel and Meireles. Looking at that deal aone it is not good, but when you see we got Suarez for £23 million and he has probably doubled his value, we got £50 million for Torres, who didn't want to be here, got Enrique for £6 million, Bellamy on a free etc... and we are progressing despite the owners not putting too much money in yet in terms of trasnfers.

 

FSG are learning and they know this game and I'm sure Baseball and other sports they are in are the same - are not an exact science. Some decisions will work, some won't... but the important thing is too make more right than wrong decisions.

 

I think the owners are very happy with Dalglish and so they should be, as the club was in a mess before he took over!

[Chinandeler Bong]

I don't think they should sack Kenny

 

We won't get back into Europe and fuck knows about the cups, but nobody can sack Kenny Dalglish, despite how shit our transfer business has been.

 

I said he should get another season, regardless of what happen in this one.

 

But I wonder what our owners, who aren't Liverpool fans, who don't know anything about football, who don't know anything about our club or city.....I wonder what they think.

 

I worry what they think.

 

If we win the League Cup, we're in Europe.

When its time for change, Kenny will step aside because he puts the club first.

There's no need to worry mate.

[El Rojo]

It's awkward because they never wanted to give him the job, and it's common knowledge that that is the case.

 

How is it common knowledge? Where has this been said with any credibility? Genuinely, I don't recall anything definitive on that.

 

Granted they don't know the sport, but they're not gormless clowns either. I'd imagine they're pretty happy to take calculated gambles, which they probably saw Kenny's appointment as.

 

Maybe they're less than impressed 12 months on with a lot of our performances and some of our transfer dealings, but it's naive in the extreme to think they were in anyway forced into giving him the job last year by some kind of mawkish sentimentality.

 

The team improved massively under Dalglish in the first six months and that's what got him the permanent contract. They were effusive and vocal in their praise of his work, so why shouldn't we take that at face value?

 

Granted our new players haven't added much and things nosedived massively for several months up to last week, but that's a different matter and our performances and time will tell how the owners deal with it.

[Chinandeler Bong]

It is true. Trust me.

 

Always trust someone until they ask you to.

[Guest ShoePiss]

FSG's game plan is to make some money for themselves, simple as that. Winning things will help them sell the club on in x amount of years for profit.

[Chinandeler Bong]

Henry et al know sports , they know that one month in a season doesnt make a season, they will wait and see where we finish. They will review the situation at the appropriate time and take it forward from there.

They are very clever, calm people.

[Pliskken]

It is true. Trust me.

 

It's been said many times your not an ITK so again,how do you know this. Unless your Kreskin it's just guesswork(or attention seeking)

[ScouseJim]

Silverlinings Sunday evening thoughts:

 

'Shit! Liverpool have had a good week. I've got fuck all to moan about! I'll make some shit thread about how Henry doesn't want that Dalglish bloke instead. I need to keep my daily twat counter up'

 

In short Silverlining, just enjoy the good times will you!

[silverlining]

But you quite happily gave money to Duncan Oldham, no thanks I don't think I'll trust your knowledge or judgement.

 

No Piss, I didn't give him a penny.

 

Sorry

[Guest ShoePiss]

No Piss, I didn't give him a penny.

 

Sorry

 

What? You weren't a gold member? Well I'm sorry for that slur on your very good name, I take it back 100%.

 

Now, you were that mong that came on here defending him weren't you?

 

:)

[silverlining]

What? You weren't a gold member? Well I'm sorry for that slur on your very good name, I take it back 100%.

 

Now, you were that mong that came on here defending him weren't you?

 

:)

 

I defended myself and a community that I liked. When I realised what big Dunk was actually like, I left. Or rather, got banned.

 

It really isn't that complicated.

[Guest ShoePiss]

I defended myself and a community that I liked. When I realised what big Dunk was actually like, I left. Or rather, got banned.

 

It really isn't that complicated.

 

I know but it's an easy one to wheel out at any time. I'm lazy.

[silverlining]

That's fine. So am I.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

You've got to love a fictitious, totally fabricated disagreement.

[lifetime fan]

I don't think they should sack Kenny

 

We won't get back into Europe and fuck knows about the cups, but nobody can sack Kenny Dalglish, despite how shit our transfer business has been.

 

I said he should get another season, regardless of what happen in this one.

 

But I wonder what our owners, who aren't Liverpool fans, who don't know anything about football, who don't know anything about our club or city.....I wonder what they think.

 

I worry what they think.

 

Think you meant to put CL there didn't you SL?

[llego]

Speculative, divisive, pointless.

 

Sums him up perfectly.