Mother fucking joke? or what?

[Rashid]

Ferguson pips Clough as the all-time best

Nick Harris

24 March 2005

 

Sir Alex Ferguson has been voted by his peers as the greatest-ever manager of an English club in an extensive poll of League managers conducted by Tissot, a key sponsor of the League Managers' Association.

 

Ferguson has guided Manchester United to eight Premiership titles, five FA Cup wins, one League Cup win and a European Cup since taking up his current job in 1986. He gained almost twice as many votes as the second-placed Brian Clough, who famously took Nottingham Forest from the old Second Division in 1977 to become back-to-back winners of the European Cup in 1979 and 1980.

 

While many fans might regard that velvet period under Clough at the City Ground as the single greatest managerial achievement, Ferguson's peers have judged his longevity and success in arguably a much more pressured era to surpass it. Clough was comfortably ahead of all other contenders, including Matt Busby, Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley and Arsène Wenger.

 

While on Tuesday, United's chief executive, David Gill, was pushed into conceding that Ferguson "is sackable", he later clarified that, saying "replacing him has never even crossed our minds". But the mere suggestion of replacement at some future stage has already re-ignited the debate about Ferguson's future, with bookmakers offering odds of little over evens that he will have departed his job before the end of next season. Ferguson can at least take solace in knowing fellow managers regard him so highly.

 

Tissot, who assisted The Independent in this week's separate survey on managers' working lives, also asked current managers about potential managerial successes of the future.

 

Wigan's Paul Jewell was voted the most likely manager currently outside the top flight to succeed in the Premiership and on this season's form that should be little surprise. Jewell is currently ranked as the sixth-best manager in the country, across all divisions, in the Tissot League Table of Managers' Performance.

 

This system was devised for the LMA to allow managers from every level of League football to be measured, taking into account every competitive game. Chelsea's Jose Mourinho is currently top, followed by Wenger, Ferguson, Luton's Mike Newell, Hull's Peter Taylor and Jewell. Four other non-Premiership managers make up the top 10. Only three Premiership managers appear in places 11-20, with Graeme Souness in 12th, Martin Jol in 15th and Rafael Benitez 19th.

 

Whether Alan Shearer or Roy Keane ever become managers remains to be seen, but the Newcastle and Manchester United captains have been voted by current managers as the most likely players to succeed in management. Gareth Southgate came third, ahead of Gary Neville, Teddy Sheringham, Gary Speed and Martin Keown.

 

http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/man_united/story.jsp?story=623058

[Dirk]

Ferguson pips Clough as the all-time best

Nick Harris

24 March 2005

 

Sir Alex Ferguson has been voted by his peers as the greatest-ever manager of an English club in an extensive poll of League managers conducted by Tissot, a key sponsor of the League Managers' Association.

 

Ferguson has guided Manchester United to eight Premiership titles, five FA Cup wins, one League Cup win and a European Cup since taking up his current job in 1986. He gained almost twice as many votes as the second-placed Brian Clough, who famously took Nottingham Forest from the old Second Division in 1977 to become back-to-back winners of the European Cup in 1979 and 1980.

 

While many fans might regard that velvet period under Clough at the City Ground as the single greatest managerial achievement, Ferguson's peers have judged his longevity and success in arguably a much more pressured era to surpass it. Clough was comfortably ahead of all other contenders, including Matt Busby, Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley and Arsène Wenger.

 

While on Tuesday, United's chief executive, David Gill, was pushed into conceding that Ferguson "is sackable", he later clarified that, saying "replacing him has never even crossed our minds". But the mere suggestion of replacement at some future stage has already re-ignited the debate about Ferguson's future, with bookmakers offering odds of little over evens that he will have departed his job before the end of next season. Ferguson can at least take solace in knowing fellow managers regard him so highly.

 

Tissot, who assisted The Independent in this week's separate survey on managers' working lives, also asked current managers about potential managerial successes of the future.

 

Wigan's Paul Jewell was voted the most likely manager currently outside the top flight to succeed in the Premiership and on this season's form that should be little surprise. Jewell is currently ranked as the sixth-best manager in the country, across all divisions, in the Tissot League Table of Managers' Performance.

 

This system was devised for the LMA to allow managers from every level of League football to be measured, taking into account every competitive game. Chelsea's Jose Mourinho is currently top, followed by Wenger, Ferguson, Luton's Mike Newell, Hull's Peter Taylor and Jewell. Four other non-Premiership managers make up the top 10. Only three Premiership managers appear in places 11-20, with Graeme Souness in 12th, Martin Jol in 15th and Rafael Benitez 19th.

 

Whether Alan Shearer or Roy Keane ever become managers remains to be seen, but the Newcastle and Manchester United captains have been voted by current managers as the most likely players to succeed in management. Gareth Southgate came third, ahead of Gary Neville, Teddy Sheringham, Gary Speed and Martin Keown.

 

http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/man_united/story.jsp?story=623058

 

*Yawn*

[Guest ILoveTorben]

Ferguson did fuck all until 1990, and even then he struggled to beat Crystal Palace.

[Al Campbell]

Whiskey nose best ever manager.Blotchy face second. Bob Paisley nowhere near in the voting. Suness 12th best manager in England. What a bunch of window-lickers.

[Dirk]

Whiskey nose best ever manager.Blotchy face second. Bob Paisley nowhere near in the voting. Suness 12th best manager in England. What a bunch of window-lickers.

 

That's why I put *yawn*. Who cares, we've got the history to prove otherwise. As much as they'd like to erase our past, they can't.

[Hermes]

Paisley won 13 major trophies in 9 seasons as manager of Liverpool, Ferguson has not matched that in any 9 years at Old Trafford. The case for the defence rests.

[Ronnie Whelan]

Shankly,Busby and Paisley piss all over Fergie both as men and as managers.

Clough pisses all over Fergie as a manager.

End of story.

[jamespp]

i would have Paisley as the best ever but wouldnt call it a joke

 

Paisley - 6 championships, 3 European Cups

Ferguson - 8 championships, 1 European Cup, 5 FA Cups including a Treble and also champions in Scotland

 

its close

[jamespp]

Clough pisses all over Fergie as a manager.

End of story.

 

Clough got Forest relegated after winning nothing for about 15 years

[Dirk]

i would have Paisley as the best ever but wouldnt call it a joke

 

Paisley - 6 championships, 3 European Cups (9 Years)

Ferguson - 8 championships, 1 European Cup, 5 FA Cups including a Treble and also champions in Scotland (19 years)

 

its close

 

Sorry to sound arrogant, but close, my arse.

[Ronnie Whelan]

Clough got Forest relegated after winning nothing for about 15 years

 

True but he also won two european cups with a medium sized club.Fergie has won one european cup with one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Clough was a shit but a genius.

[Al Campbell]

Stein's another who was better than Whiskey Nose. He wouldn't make it into my top five.

[Kopite]

Stein's another who was better than Whiskey Nose. He wouldn't make it into my top five.

 

Tony Barton has won as many European Cups as Slur Runny-Arse.

[Paul]

To deny that Fergie and Clough are amoungst the greatest ever, just because they're unpalatable to us, as Reds, is nonsense. Both had incredible achievements in the game. However, to deny that Bob was the greatest is just ridiculous. Three European Cups is unsurpassed, never mind all the other trophies.

[Al Campbell]

Ferguson is a very good manager he's just nowhere near being the best. Paisley, Shankly, Busby, and Stein were better. Possibly Clough too.

[Kopite]

Ferguson's a c*nt. I love his "I knocked Liverpool off their perch" wank.

 

I was brought up (having a half Scottish family) being told how nice, honest and warm the Scottish people are (Shankly, Kenny, Billy Liddell). However 15 years of that drunken twat's bile have changed that opinion FOREVER!

 

So Hillsborough and The King's subsequent descent into depression and confusion had nothing to do with our decline?

[Rashid]

Ferguson's a c*nt. I love his "I knocked Liverpool off their perch" wank.

 

I was brought up (having a half Scottish family) being told how nice, honest and warm the Scottish people are (Shankly, Kenny, Billy Liddell). However 15 years of that drunken twat's bile have changed that opinion FOREVER!

 

So Hillsborough and The King's subsequent descent into depression and confusion had nothing to do with our decline?

 

You forgot the twat Moyes too Col - he is a complete prick too and heaven knows what he would be like if he ever won a trophy of any note.

[Kopite]

You forgot the twat Moyes too Col - he is a complete prick too and heaven knows what he would be like if he ever won a trophy of any note.

 

 

Only trophy that bitter c*nt will ever win is the "Most Bitter Ginger Pubehead of Old Preston Moor" cup. ;)

[Al Campbell]

It's precious to him...