Summer 2022 Transfer Thread

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

We should have cut our losses on Ox and Keita this summer and accepted the best offer we could get for them, cleared them both of the wage bill and signed one player to cover them both.

 

I'd happily take a Ward-Prowse or similar level of player over them two.

He's a set piece merchant and nowhere near the level we should be bringing in. We do need one more though. Let's hope we have a decent deadline day. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

We ain't signing anybody Ward and Co are probably spending the next few days at Ian Ayre's place watching transfer deadline day on sky sports. Each window you only have to look at the amount of money we have made from sales compare it to how much we've spent and know already the right player won't be available. They not quite but pretty much want to break even every window. 

[Anubis]

William to Fulham. One last big PL payday for a player who’s form dropped off two seasons ago.

 

I don’t see anyone coming in. I don’t think the club has any inclination for it. I think Klopp may have been told he could make some enquiries, and he got a bit optimistic, but then reality kicked in when actual money was discussed.

[joe_fishfish]

Yeah, I think if there was any chance, we would have heard something by now. It's too late in the window for teams to get a replacement player, it's really stupid leaving it until this late, as we all already know.

[Barrington Womble]

7 hours ago, m0e said:

It's not just finding money. It's committing to 150k a week for 5 years, plus the transfer fee, plus whatever else is involved with a signing.

 

Increased revenues usually creates bonus payments, better salaries across the entire operation, and more marketing spend.

 

I'm sure the accounts show an increase in wages evey single season since Klopp got here.

 

I also believe we have one of the highest wage bills in football. Klopp has a massive backroom, with specialists for all sorts of things, including penalty neuroscience and throw ins

 

He knows the fucking budget, is my point.

I realises it's committing for 5 years. But if our recruitment team is doing their job, they must know of a dozen midfielders who can come in, make an impact and contribute for 5 years, we don't have to sign the midfield Ben Davies (although we made a few quid on him). We have 3 coming off the wage bill next season, so the cost is just now, we need players next year anyway - additional cost is 1 years wages and we'd need to amortise 1 years transfer this year. And klopp was also clear that we would only move for another midfielder should one want to leave or we get injuries. We have both of these. Do you believe our budgets need to be that static that we can't react to adversity? What type of shitshow are we running if we can't do that? 

 

Our wages don't go up every year, they were down on the last accounts (314m from 325m in 2020), which maybe reflects the lack of success and reduced bonuses from winning the league the year before - although this might not have been the case had we reacted to the injury crisis we had then. These costs includes all of those staff you mention - and the other hundreds of people on staff. Using our last set of accounts, it won't be unreasonable to expect our revenues to be around 650m for 2022 (ending June 22). So even if wages have gone to 350m, do you really think we can't afford to help the manager out? 

[Jose Jones]

8 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

I realises it's committing for 5 years. But if our recruitment team is doing their job, they must know of a dozen midfielders who can come in, make an impact and contribute for 5 years, we don't have to sign the midfield Ben Davies (although we made a few quid on him). We have 3 coming off the wage bill next season, so the cost is just now, we need players next year anyway - additional cost is 1 years wages and we'd need to amortise 1 years transfer this year. And klopp was also clear that we would only move for another midfielder should one want to leave or we get injuries. We have both of these. Do you believe our budgets need to be that static that we can't react to adversity? What type of shitshow are we running if we can't do that? 

 

Our wages don't go up every year, they were down on the last accounts (314m from 325m in 2020), which maybe reflects the lack of success and reduced bonuses from winning the league the year before - although this might not have been the case had we reacted to the injury crisis we had then. These costs includes all of those staff you mention - and the other hundreds of people on staff. Using our last set of accounts, it won't be unreasonable to expect our revenues to be around 650m for 2022 (ending June 22). So even if wages have gone to 350m, do you really think we can't afford to help the manager out? 

We obviously can afford to help the manager out.

Saying there's a dozen midfielders who can come in and make an impact and contribute for 5 years, that would be available 2 days before the deadline (or a week before, if we go from Klopp's presser) I would say is unlikely, if we're aiming to be among the best teams on the planet for those 5 years.

 

[johnsusername]

Bellingham had better be Gerrard, Alonso and Mascherano rolled into one. The pressure will be immense if he finally gets here. 

 

Saying that he'll probably end up at Man U or Chelsea. 

[Barrington Womble]

1 minute ago, Jose Jones said:

We obviously can afford to help the manager out.

Saying there's a dozen midfielders who can come in and make an impact and contribute for 5 years, that would be available 2 days before the deadline (or a week before, if we go from Klopp's presser) I would say is unlikely, if we're aiming to be among the best teams on the planet for those 5 years.

 

The only thing that prevents it happening is the fee. You say 2 days before, but it wasn't 2 days before when we made the call. It was 2 weeks before when klopp was saying it would be cool to have someone new but he didn't control the budget - and I assume that was flagged with his bosses way before he took it to the press.

 

We certainly won't get a bargain now, although I don't think it's been a bargain summer all around. So for sure, it will cost us and a player we value at 40m may cost us 50m. But that's the chance you take when you choose to hold on to your money in June and see how it rolls. Henry should know this better than absolutely everyone at the club, he made his money as a commodities futures trader, these are the calls he made every day. We made a futures decision and now we're the wrong side of the trade. 

[Anubis]

3 minutes ago, johnsusername said:

Bellingham had better be Gerrard, Alonso and Mascherano rolled into one. The pressure will be immense if he finally gets here. 

 

Saying that he'll probably end up at Man U or Chelsea. 

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that he will be too expensive and not enough value for money. And probably moving elsewhere.

[joe_fishfish]

I think there's roughly a 0% chance we get Bellingham unless he has a release clause kicking in next summer and he's prepared to reject all other contract offers, even those which offer him considerably higher wages.

 

I also don't think he's that good. Soz.

[Bobby Hundreds]

There will definitely be value in the january market after a World Cup!

[HBenn]

8 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

Slightly disappointed you didn't remember that was me.

I probably should have caveated it with "unless we're 9-0 up at home" but I agree with the point, and obviously Klopp does too.

Something has gone seriously wrong with the midfield injuries!  Bajcetic probably would be 10th in line?  Not great he's getting in the first team squad 3 league games into the season.

Sorry! It was a memorable line though. Brings home just how bad it is. Like you say, must be about 10th in line usually. 

[sir roger]

8 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

We should have cut our losses on Ox and Keita this summer and accepted the best offer we could get for them, cleared them both of the wage bill and signed one player to cover them both.

 

I'd happily take a Ward-Prowse or similar level of player over them two.

I'd take Dave Prowse over them two.

[Jose Jones]

54 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

The only thing that prevents it happening is the fee. You say 2 days before, but it wasn't 2 days before when we made the call. It was 2 weeks before when klopp was saying it would be cool to have someone new but he didn't control the budget - and I assume that was flagged with his bosses way before he took it to the press.

 

We certainly won't get a bargain now, although I don't think it's been a bargain summer all around. So for sure, it will cost us and a player we value at 40m may cost us 50m. But that's the chance you take when you choose to hold on to your money in June and see how it rolls. Henry should know this better than absolutely everyone at the club, he made his money as a commodities futures trader, these are the calls he made every day. We made a futures decision and now we're the wrong side of the trade. 

So would you offer 200 million quid for Bellingham?

Klopp obviously wants him and Dortmund would sell at that amount.

 

 

[clockspeed]

56 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

There will definitely be value in the january market after a World Cup!

Our track record of purchasing during and  just after a World Cup is not great. 

[HBenn]

1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

I realises it's committing for 5 years. But if our recruitment team is doing their job, they must know of a dozen midfielders who can come in, make an impact and contribute for 5 years, we don't have to sign the midfield Ben Davies (although we made a few quid on him). We have 3 coming off the wage bill next season, so the cost is just now, we need players next year anyway - additional cost is 1 years wages and we'd need to amortise 1 years transfer this year. And klopp was also clear that we would only move for another midfielder should one want to leave or we get injuries. We have both of these. Do you believe our budgets need to be that static that we can't react to adversity? What type of shitshow are we running if we can't do that? 

 

Our wages don't go up every year, they were down on the last accounts (314m from 325m in 2020), which maybe reflects the lack of success and reduced bonuses from winning the league the year before - although this might not have been the case had we reacted to the injury crisis we had then. These costs includes all of those staff you mention - and the other hundreds of people on staff. Using our last set of accounts, it won't be unreasonable to expect our revenues to be around 650m for 2022 (ending June 22). So even if wages have gone to 350m, do you really think we can't afford to help the manager out? 

In all this I find the way the message is managed causes a lot of frustration and makes you question the owners.

 

The club have no problem letting it be known how Mo's contract is heavily incentivised, in line with all of the playing staff when it suits. How the club have to benefit for the player to. Then when we are looking to spend the journos quote the wage bill at its highest point after a successful season and completely ignore the incentivised aspect or increased club revenue.

 

Similarly the club have no problem telling how well we plan and how relaxed they are cause its all under control and now that all is conveniently forgotten.

 

Again, the suggestion is that the club don't want to get rinsed on a transfer fee this week but we will ignore the fact that a situation has been allowed to develop where we pay 9 players for 3 positions and 3 players are likely to go on Bosmans next summer. That is the cost of the Anfield Road End right there. 

 

There just the contradictions I can think of off the top of my head. 

 

It's just really difficult to not come to the conclusion that they always look to do the bare minimum, will go to great lengths and take massive risks to avoid spending money in the immediate term and are happy to treat us like idiots in the process.

[Barrington Womble]

46 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

So would you offer 200 million quid for Bellingham?

Klopp obviously wants him and Dortmund would sell at that amount.

 

 

I wouldn't. But that's because I believe there's more footballers in the world than Jude Bellingham. Our pack reporters get our fan base convinced we can't buy anyone because we have to wait for this one fella, because nothing else will do and if we get someone now it will jeopardise our persuit of the holy grail. Yet we need 3 next summer, only one can be him. As I've said in other posts, I'd be very happy with a konate/Jota/Diaz profile signing and I trust our recruitment team know how to find them. If we have to pay a premium on that, as I say, that's the cost of being on the wrong side of the trade. 

[bizzle10]

If we don’t act in what’s left of the window it feels like a massive risk like when all our defenders went down and we were slow to react. The window shuts we go to Goodison park and one their grocks breaks Fabinho’s leg you just know that’s what will happen.

[Barrington Womble]

29 minutes ago, bizzle10 said:

If we don’t act in what’s left of the window it feels like a massive risk like when all our defenders went down and we were slow to react. The window shuts we go to Goodison park and one their grocks breaks Fabinho’s leg you just know that’s what will happen.

Sadly though, it's not just Everton you have to worry about. We've got 19 matches inside less than two and a half months with an international break thrown in there. The pressure on these players will be relentless and we have no way to protect them, as our bench is full of 17 year olds giving us no capacity to rotate. No sooner are Everton out of the way, we're off to Napoli, which is known as the Bournemouth of Italy of course. Inside 6 weeks we'll have played Everton, Napoli, city, arsenal, chelsea and a double headed British derby with rangers. And of course a load of other games. 

[Leyton388]

Bellingham is the new Mbappe. Daily stories in the echo ect and fans falling for it until next summer when he is too expensive.

[Barrington Womble]

4 minutes ago, Leyton388 said:

Bellingham is the new Mbappe. Daily stories in the echo ect and fans falling for it until next summer when he is too expensive.

You remember the summer of 2019 too. Everyone knows we need another forward, we've just won the European cup so you'd think we'd have a few quid. Don't be afraid, we're keeping our powder dry for 12 months, mbappe 2020. Which obviously gave way to Werner 2020 and ended up being Jota 2020. So do we wait for the right player or are there in fact loads of them? We had 3 in a year. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

We’re not signing anyone, can’t you see that, don’t you know?

[Colonel Bumcunt]

I'd love to know where we were in talking to him when he decided to go to Dortmund. 

He seemed to fit our template for investing in young talents, a bit confused how we missed the boat. 

 

Yes, he's as good as they say he is.  A physical and mental beast, professional, driven, intelligent, he's got the lot.  

But a player like that needs a system to integrate him into, which usually means having 2 of everything.  Signing his brother would be a comedy approach to that, but I'm easily entertained. 

[joe_fishfish]

There's no way we could have offered Bellingham anything like the game time he's had at Dortmund and it seemed like that was a big factor in him deciding to go there. Sancho was the same, he was desperate to play first team football for a CL team at like 17/18. No English club could have offered that.

[Thoth]

3 hours ago, Anubis said:

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that he will be too expensive and not enough value for money. And probably moving elsewhere.

100% this, Real Madrid probably