Keir Starmer

[Section_31]

49 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Because as I've said above, he's given Johnson something to cry foul about and he's needlessly put the heat on himself. The Guardians chief political reporter Pippa Creara is running with the story now, as are all the news channels. Stupid move, even worse timing.

 

Surely you can see how this has not gone well for him? 

 

 

 

Half a dozen boris johnson loyalists. Fuck.

[skend04]

Dan Hodges having a meltdown on Twitter and this poaching of Gray isn't even in the top 10 BBC news stories. Looks like zero fucks given apart from Tory MPs who probably have something to hide.

 

[Gnasher]

33 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

Half a dozen boris johnson loyalists. Fuck.

 

I think you're missing my point. Starmer has been on the back foot over this since the ill timed announcement. Pippa Crearer etc are not 'a dozen Johnson loyalists'. I've gave a link to his interview on LBC this morning above. He doesn't come out of it well. You seriously think Starmer wanted the content and tone of that interview? It's become a bad news story. He should have been talking about a different civil servant, Simon Case.

 

With both Hancock and Boris Johnson in deep trouble the last thing Starmer needed was being put under that pressure?  Especially as he couldn't give any answers. This story over when he first approached Sue Gray was on  the main news bulletins, they were not reporting it in a very positive light. It has become a negative, not that it means a great deal but hey hoy.

 

Starmer has taken some of the recent bad attention away from the Conservatives, and its been needless.

 

 

[Poor Scouser T]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

I think you're missing my point. Starmer has been on the back foot over this since the ill timed announcement. Pippa Crearer etc are not 'a dozen Johnson loyalists'. I've gave a link to his interview on LBC this morning above. He doesn't come out of it well. You seriously think Starmer wanted the content and tone of that interview? It's become a bad news story. He should have been talking about a different civil servant, Simon Case.

 

With both Hancock and Boris Johnson in deep trouble the last thing Starmer needed was being put under that pressure?  Especially as he couldn't give any answers. This story over when he first approached Sue Gray was on  the main news bulletins, they were not reporting it in a very positive light. It has become a negative, not that it means a great deal but hey hoy.

 

Starmer has taken some of the recent bad attention away from the Conservatives, and its been needless.

 

 

I know you can be like a dog with a bone on some subjects mate which is fair enough but look at this from a different perspective. The only way this can be twisted as a negative is if Gray colluded with Labour to smear Johnson and file a biased report as a political ploy instigated by the Conservatives opponents. Clearly that is bollocks.

The only way they can smear Stamer is by smearing Gray. That is not going to happen and any attempt to do so will make them look like even bigger liars and fools than they already do.

Starmer has offered a highly regarded Civil Servant a job. That is it.

[Captain Turdseye]

7 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

I think anyone who would rather have a selfie with Starmer over Corbyn are the ones to watch. Anyone who wants a selfie with anyone is a bad nonce and I include myself in that. 

 

Agreed. 
 

@Jennings - Bad nonce. 

[Gnasher]

16 minutes ago, Poor Scouser T said:

I know you can be like a dog with a bone on some subjects mate which is fair enough but look at this from a different perspective. The only way this can be twisted as a negative is if Gray colluded with Labour to smear Johnson and file a biased report as a political ploy instigated by the Conservatives opponents. Clearly that is bollocks.

The only way they can smear Stamer is by smearing Gray. That is not going to happen and any attempt to do so will make them look like even bigger liars and fools than they already do.

Starmer has offered a highly regarded Civil Servant a job. That is it.

 

No I'm not in anyway disputing the appointment. Nothing at all wrong with it and I'd say its nailed on to be above board but whether it the timing or whatever its become a negative. It has. The proof is in the pudding. Look at that interview this morning or look at Pippa Crerers tweet (below) today, she's not a tory journalist. Both not good and that's not on Gray, that's on Starmer. 

 

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1632700432794492931?t=LxlvOf8f4ipMu_lYDlYlXg&s=19

 

 

[Poor Scouser T]

Fair enough that is your opinion. Debate is healthy.

I'm a reasonably intelligent voter who does not buy newspapers or do twitter. It is an irrelevance to me. Johnson being found to have repeatedly mislead parliament will be lead story on BBC 6 O'Clock news this won't

 

Edit looked at that tweet. Where is the smoking gun?

Keir Starmer this morning refused to say when he first approached Sue Gray to become his chief of staff - beyond that "nothing improper at all" had happened and that they had no contact while she was doing her partygate inquiry.

 

 

 

[Section_31]

41 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

I think you're missing my point. Starmer has been on the back foot over this since the ill timed announcement. Pippa Crearer etc are not 'a dozen Johnson loyalists'. I've gave a link to his interview on LBC this morning above. He doesn't come out of it well. You seriously think Starmer wanted the content and tone of that interview? It's become a bad news story. He should have been talking about a different civil servant, Simon Case.

 

With both Hancock and Boris Johnson in deep trouble the last thing Starmer needed was being put under that pressure?  Especially as he couldn't give any answers. This story over when he first approached Sue Gray was on  the main news bulletins, they were not reporting it in a very positive light. It has become a negative, not that it means a great deal but hey hoy.

 

Starmer has taken some of the recent bad attention away from the Conservatives, and its been needless.

 

 

 

No I understand your point, what I'm saying is that regardless of what he does or doesn't do,  the press and the Tories will have a go at him anyway.

 

Him having a chicken korma was painted as being as bad as 'partygate'  but it predictably turned out to be a load of old bollocks. You're never going to placate these people, just like a Biden can't placate Fox News, they're going to spin anything the way they want.

 

The people who really matter - the swing voters - don't give a flying fuck. The only people who give a toss are the mentalists, grifters and bums like Dories, Dan Wooton and that bird who looks like Steve Davies with nothing but shit between their ears who depended on Johnson and gammon rage for a living. 

 

[Gnasher]

18 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

No I understand your point, what I'm saying is that regardless of what he does or doesn't do,  the press and the Tories will have a go at him anyway.

 

Him having a chicken korma was painted as being as bad as 'partygate'  but it predictably turned out to be a load of old bollocks. You're never going to placate these people, just like a Biden can't placate Fox News, they're going to spin anything the way they want.

 

The people who really matter - the swing voters - don't give a flying fuck. The only people who give a toss are the mentalists, grifters and bums like Dories, Dan Wooton and that bird who looks like Steve Davies with nothing but shit between their ears who depended on Johnson and gammon rage for a living. 

 

 

Yeah I understand and agree with that.

 

I just find some of Starmers political strategies a bit odd considering the interviews he gives when questioned on them later. They are situations he's created. The interview on LBC this morning a good example. If he's going to announce Sue Gray as his chief of staff he should surely be ready for the question of when did he first spoke to her about the job, that question was nailed on and he seemed blindsided. Just as his odd interview with Beth Rigby the other week after his 5 missions statement, or on Breakfast TV around the same time (when the lady showed a clip of him praising Corbyn previously, after his big brash speech with Margaret Hodge, where he announced Corbyn would not stand for Labour at the next election) he seems to get flummoxed over the events he's created. He's obviously a very clever fella so I'd have thought he'd be better prepared and knock these questions out of the park. 

 

I think the media questions are going to get more intense for Starmer from here in, be intresting how he copes.

[Colonel Bumcunt]

2 hours ago, Poor Scouser T said:

I know you can be like a dog with a bone on some subjects mate which is fair enough but look at this from a different perspective. The only way this can be twisted as a negative is if Gray colluded with Labour to smear Johnson and file a biased report as a political ploy instigated by the Conservatives opponents. Clearly that is bollocks.

The only way they can smear Stamer is by smearing Gray. That is not going to happen and any attempt to do so will make them look like even bigger liars and fools than they already do.

Starmer has offered a highly regarded Civil Servant a job. That is it.

JRM is having a go at the 'civil service' now, claiming they're all socialists.  

It's not going to end well this.  There's thousands more WhatsApps out there just waiting to spill toxic waste on these dickheads, and JRM has just lit the fuse.  

[Poor Scouser T]

31 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

JRM is having a go at the 'civil service' now, claiming they're all socialists.  

It's not going to end well this.  There's thousands more WhatsApps out there just waiting to spill toxic waste on these dickheads, and JRM has just lit the fuse.  

As night follows day. The civil service run the machine they need to be keep onside or it grinds to a halt. Starmer may well be playing a great long game here.

[Gnasher]

An example of believing a person such as Matt Hancock should be in charge of the British health service during a pandemic.

 

1 month previously..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/20/uk-reports-1820-covid-deaths-in-record-daily-high

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/26/a-timeline-of-matt-hancocks-controversies-and-breaches

 

 

 

[Poor Scouser T]

Random twitter posts don't really constitute a valid argument or point of debate mate.

If you have a point make it and then by all means use evidence to back up your point. You seem to be lobbing stuff out in the hope someone comments and you can then take a contrary stand point. That is poor.

[Arniepie]

4 hours ago, Poor Scouser T said:

I know you can be like a dog with a bone on some subjects mate which is fair enough but look at this from a different perspective. The only way this can be twisted as a negative is if Gray colluded with Labour to smear Johnson and file a biased report as a political ploy instigated by the Conservatives opponents. Clearly that is bollocks.

The only way they can smear Stamer is by smearing Gray. That is not going to happen and any attempt to do so will make them look like even bigger liars and fools than they already do.

Starmer has offered a highly regarded Civil Servant a job. That is it.

In a sane country it wouldn't even be a story.

[Poor Scouser T]

2 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

In a sane country it wouldn't even be a story.

She does not strike me as the type to breach protocol. I suspect it is a non story.

[Arniepie]

42 minutes ago, Poor Scouser T said:

She does not strike me as the type to breach protocol. I suspect it is a non story.

Course it is

It's absolutely farcical but indicative of the absolutely crack pot of a failed state we are.

[Gnasher]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

Gapes is another one of the Change UK mob that crashed and burned once it come into contact with the voting public. He's behind Luciana Berger in the infamous pic.

 

[Curly]

On 04/03/2023 at 18:13, Gnasher said:

At the risk of sounding like those followers on the internet who will follow Boris Johnson to the ends of the earth even after he's been indirectly responsible for the death of their mother, this is another for the 'we all make mistakes' file. 

 

An example of the perils of this so called grown up consensual type politics where you fall in line with what the Tory machine tells you and fool yourself into believing they're doing it for the public good.

 

 

Can’t you see that you are doing this in reverse about anything Starmer does? You liked and supported Corbyn mate, everyone gets it, but we’re in the realms of possibly ousting an absolute gobshite government who have strangled the life out of the country’s public services, trade, value, harmony and community spirit, so if you wouldn’t mind mate, please can you stop throwing your weight behind preventing labour getting in by looking for and jumping on every grain of anti-Starmer press the tories are peddling. 
 

The tories are going to do this with whoever was running, that’s a given. Someone promoting their shite who isn’t in favour of them is doing exactly what they set out to achieve. You are nothing more than a vehicle for their message, and would no doubt be harping on about how thick the British are if they win the next GE, whereas you fuel that chance every day.

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, Curly said:

Can’t you see that you are doing this in reverse about anything Starmer does? You liked and supported Corbyn mate, everyone gets it, but we’re in the realms of possibly ousting an absolute gobshite government who have strangled the life out of the country’s public services, trade, value, harmony and community spirit, so if you wouldn’t mind mate, please can you stop throwing your weight behind preventing labour getting in by looking for and jumping on every grain of anti-Starmer press the tories are peddling. 
 

The tories are going to do this with whoever was running, that’s a given. Someone promoting their shite who isn’t in favour of them is doing exactly what they set out to achieve. You are nothing more than a vehicle for their message, and would no doubt be harping on about how thick the British are if they win the next GE, whereas you fuel that chance every day.

 

People should question politicians more imo. They get an easy ride. For instance the way Corbyn went about certain things were damaging to the Labour Party. He was to dogmatic for one. Dianne Abbott was never a fit to be home secretary was another, stupid choice by Corbyn. 

 

I've always voted Labour, always worked against a tory government, unlike the Mike Gapes fella in my link above.

 

If you're talking of messages a lot of these people publicly worked against the country electing a Labour government at the last election, and look where that's left us, so maybe you'd be better served asking questions of them instead of me. 

[Poor Scouser T]

If Starmer get in he has done it. Got rid of them. Hopefully kick them into oblivion.

If he then makes an arse of it I'll be 1st on his back. Until then he has my full support.

He is not going to win any charisma contest but to me that does not matter. He is decent and honest and most of all electable. Sick of personality politics. Quiet efficiency will do for a 1st term 

[Section_31]

15 minutes ago, Curly said:

Can’t you see that you are doing this in reverse about anything Starmer does? You liked and supported Corbyn mate, everyone gets it, but we’re in the realms of possibly ousting an absolute gobshite government who have strangled the life out of the country’s public services, trade, value, harmony and community spirit, so if you wouldn’t mind mate, please can you stop throwing your weight behind preventing labour getting in by looking for and jumping on every grain of anti-Starmer press the tories are peddling. 
 

The tories are going to do this with whoever was running, that’s a given. Someone promoting their shite who isn’t in favour of them is doing exactly what they set out to achieve. You are nothing more than a vehicle for their message, and would no doubt be harping on about how thick the British are if they win the next GE, whereas you fuel that chance every day.

 

One of the big ironies is that a lot of the people who say Corbyn was pelted with a lot of false shitballs do exactly the same to starmer and have been doing so since before he even took the role. They weren't that arsed about him until he decided to run against Long Bailey, the anointed one of ex greens and Garston Socialist plasterer party supporters everywhere. 

 

He then got grief for being a Knight, even though he was schooled at a comp unlike codbyn, lansman and Milne. And that he'd been a public servant in his legal career, unlike Long Bailey who'd spent her legal career in the private sector dealing with PFI contracts. 

 

Some of the grief starmer gets is justified but much of it is as batshit if not more so then what corbyn got, including him being an MI5 asset and 'as bad as Netanyahu'.

 

That tweet I posted earlier up is typical of it. It was shared by one of my Facebook friends who is a green, was a green, supported corbyn, obsessed with Palestine. And the tweet in question was about a student in "Derry" not wanting a selfie with Starmer, posted on Skwarkbox. Even though nobody in Northern Ireland votes for uk parties anyway. Much mirth in the comments section about another Keith fail.

 

How it used to warm my cockles seeing how popular corbyn was at Stormzy concerts, knowing full well I'd wake up the next day to another five years of tory state plunder.

[Gnasher]

One of the reasons we are suffering a tory government is people such as Mike Gapes, Luciana Berger, Christian Wakeford and dozens of others chose to bat for another side.

 

Now they're being welcomed like long lost friends.

[Section_31]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

One of the reasons we are suffering a tory government is people such as Mike Gapes, Luciana Berger, Christian Wakeford and dozens of others chose to bat for another side.

 

Now they're being welcomed like long lost friends.

 

No Labour leader has won an election since Blair, that's the bottom line, whether people like 'centrist' politics or not, that's what the voting public would seem to want. 

 

The Change UK clowns had absolutely zero impact on any election or any result. 

[Gnasher]

Slightly off topic, American lefty Democrat Alexanderia Ocasia-Cortex was just speaking on one of the news channels. Im afraid i couldn't tell you what she was saying because I didn't take in a single word. She's no Nicky Sturgeon.