VAR Thoughts?

[kemskem]

Even if you had a limited challenge system you would still get decisions like that wouldn’t you. Fuck it all the way off.

[Moo]

12 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Yeah,but because he gained an advantage and a goal was scored,I imagine that is the reason they will give. It should have been given at the point of the handball but they have little idea what the fuck they are doing and are leaving it all up to fuckin VAR.

 

Eh? The advantage didn't lead to the goal, it was several phases of play later.  The ref can't see into the future and know that's going to lead to a goal, so why would he stop play at that point? 

What current law are you referring to which makes you think that was, in a roundabout way, the correct decision?

[aws]

I think there was an illegal throw-in two minutes before their third goal. 

[Barrington Womble]

15 hours ago, coachpotato said:

Agree with all that, especially the last paragraph, but I’m beginning to doubt whether there will ever be those competent or unbiased enough to make it work properly. If that’s the case it needs fucking off.

 

 

Since the introduction of VAR, the referees see every goal as an opportunity to rule out a goal. If.tbey don't get the outcome they want, they can make it what they want. It's a fucking joke. 

 

2 hours ago, kemskem said:

Even if you had a limited challenge system you would still get decisions like that wouldn’t you. Fuck it all the way off.

At least limited appeals would reduce the amount of time they get involved. Best case is we scrap it. But we know they won't. So next best is to limit it and not let the referee make that choice, but the teams themselves. 

[VladimirIlyich]

2 hours ago, Moo said:

 

Eh? The advantage didn't lead to the goal, it was several phases of play later.  The ref can't see into the future and know that's going to lead to a goal, so why would he stop play at that point? 

What current law are you referring to which makes you think that was, in a roundabout way, the correct decision?

There are no phases of play in law,its just a non descript time limit of 'a few seconds ' but its the current law of VAR 'Just let's see what happens and then deal with it.'

[TheHowieLama]

2 hours ago, kemskem said:

Even if you had a limited challenge system you would still get decisions like that wouldn’t you. Fuck it all the way off.

 

Depends how it works.

A challenge could/would be for a specific "foul" - not a blanket review of any and all possible fouls.

[dave u]

16 hours ago, Trumo said:

the technology, while not flawless, is not the problem. It's the people in charge of using it that are making a right Zlatan of things and ruining games.

 

They disallowed two Chelsea goals the other night and the decisions were 100% correct by law. But both those goals would have counted pre-Var and so they should. Rashford's red card was the correct call too but would never, ever have been given by an on field ref and nobody would have been arsed about it. 

 

The people using it are useless but the whole concept of it is to over analyse everything to a microscopic level and disallow goals, award soft penalties and get players sent off. It'd still be awful for the game even if they got every decision right, which they never will.

[Mook]

3 minutes ago, dave u said:

 

They disallowed two Chelsea goals the other night and the decisions were 100% correct by law. But both those goals would have counted pre-Var and so they should. Rashford's red card was the correct call too but would never, ever have been given by an on field ref and nobody would have been arsed about it. 

 

The people using it are useless but the whole concept of it is to over analyse everything to a microscopic level and disallow goals, award soft penalties and get players sent off. It'd still be awful for the game even if they got every decision right, which they never will.

 

Absolutely spot fucking on.

[Pete]

Consign it to the history books so we can all celebrate goals again and scream blue murder at officials for fucking up. 
 

[Bob]

2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

 

Since the introduction of VAR, the referees see every goal as an opportunity to rule out a goal. If.tbey don't get the outcome they want, they can make it what they want. It's a fucking joke. 

 

At least limited appeals would reduce the amount of time they get involved. Best case is we scrap it. But we know they won't. So next best is to limit it and not let the referee make that choice, but the teams themselves. 

VAR Eutopia is ruling out a once legitimate goal, but then giving a penalty instead, then having that penalty saved, but enforcing a retake because the keeper moves a fraction off their line.

 

almost happened with Chelsea Spurs but it went in off the post rather than being saved.

[No2]

If they don't get rid then the solution is give clubs a small amount of challenges (3 per season). The idea of VAR was to remove the outrageous calls, not to re-referee a game.

 

Take the first game of the season as an example, neither CFC or LFC are using one of the 3 challenges on those tight offsides. Even the Spurs game, chances are we don't challenge the Diaz call and the heat is transfered to us for a shit call instead of the lino and VAR team. 

[sir roger]

The PL are looking at getting rid of Hawkeye as their VAR operators at the end of next season !

Its the fucking refs, not the equipment ffs.

[Barrington Womble]

22 minutes ago, sir roger said:

The PL are looking at getting rid of Hawkeye as their VAR operators at the end of next season !

Its the fucking refs, not the equipment ffs.

Isn't it Hawkeye who've done the offside though and until now the PL & PGMOL have refused to moved to whoever it is does the FIFA/uefa version? 

[TheHowieLama]

1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

Isn't it Hawkeye who've done the offside though and until now the PL & PGMOL have refused to moved to whoever it is does the FIFA/uefa version? 

 

I think Hawkeye is in on all of the technology and it is used by FIFA - at least at the WC it was.

A couple of months ago they started testing tech that can position players against one another and the ball - that is supposed to be the next big step in automated offside.

[Scott_M]

I disagree with the handball decision last night. 

[bossy]

I bet there’s dads videoing their kids games screaming at volunteer refs about things missed and shoving phones in faces to prove it. I absolutely detest VAR.

[VladimirIlyich]

3 minutes ago, bossy said:

I bet there’s dads videoing their kids games screaming at volunteer refs about things missed and shoving phones in faces to prove it. I absolutely detest VAR.

There are,don't you worry! 

[bossy]

2 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

There are,don't you worry! 

Grim.

[VladimirIlyich]

48 minutes ago, bossy said:

Grim.

The saddest thing is hearing the first 'eh ref' and very rarely hearing people laughing among themselves over an offside or throw in decision that the ref may,or may not have got wrong in the kids games. It should be fun,even if the ref has a bad day. If you criticise then have a go yourself. It's how I started.

[Mook]

I can't believe people are suggesting challenge systems.

 

This is Football we're talking about, not under 12s fucking netball.

 

Football (the sport itself) was absolutely fine five years ago, you got the odd bad decision, you dusted yourself down and then got on with it. None of this fucking circus.

 

VAR has sucked the life out of it.

[Dicko]

I am all for getting rid of VAR.

As long as they get rid of the PGMOL and every single referee as well.

[bossy]

2 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

The saddest thing is hearing the first 'eh ref' and very rarely hearing people laughing among themselves over an offside or throw in decision that the ref may,or may not have got wrong in the kids games. It should be fun,even if the ref has a bad day. If you criticise then have a go yourself. It's how I started.

That’s horrible mate, but bound to happen. VAR provides telly with ‘talking points’ that blows up into controversy and makes people angry. We don’t need this shit, people are angry enough.

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, Mook said:

I can't believe people are suggesting challenge systems.

 

This is Football we're talking about, not under 12s fucking netball.

 

Football (the sport itself) was absolutely fine five years ago, you got the odd bad decision, you dusted yourself down and then got on with it. None of this fucking circus.

 

VAR has sucked the life out of it.

 

They are absolutely never going to scrap VAR. We're stuck with it. So you need its involvement reduced to a minimum. VAR is supposed to be for the big things only. The examples they used were the lampard one for England at the world cup and Henry v Ireland with his hand. Goal line technology obviously fixed the first part and the game is better for it. The latter they're trying to make into a weekly occurance by pretty much making any time the ball hits a hand, no matter how far from goal, no matter deliberate or accidental, a chance to rule out a goal. So take it out of the hands of the officials. Limit the appeals, if you let someone punch the ball into the net and choose to keep your appeal, that's on you. The decision on the pitch is what we'll be using nearly all of the time. The only thing that won't go back to normal is linesmen will probably need to continue to keep their flag down, but that seems better than the refereeing of games we see today. 

 

I get your point of get it to fuck. but that won't happen because the TV companies love it and they pay the bills. 

[TheHowieLama]

When they do have challenges the flags the managers toss onto the field should have different sponsors logos on them.

[Mook]

1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

They are absolutely never going to scrap VAR. We're stuck with it. So you need its involvement reduced to a minimum. VAR is supposed to be for the big things only. The examples they used were the lampard one for England at the world cup and Henry v Ireland with his hand. Goal line technology obviously fixed the first part and the game is better for it. The latter they're trying to make into a weekly occurance by pretty much making any time the ball hits a hand, no matter how far from goal, no matter deliberate or accidental, a chance to rule out a goal. So take it out of the hands of the officials. Limit the appeals, if you let someone punch the ball into the net and choose to keep your appeal, that's on you. The decision on the pitch is what we'll be using nearly all of the time. The only thing that won't go back to normal is linesmen will probably need to continue to keep their flag down, but that seems better than the refereeing of games we see today. 

 

I get your point of get it to fuck. but that won't happen because the TV companies love it and they pay the bills. 

 

It'll never happen but the TV companies wouldn't like a month of 80% empty stadiums if people actually wanted to their arse in gear and get rid of this pish.