Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[cloggypop]

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

Lib Dems going full Everton.

My head fell off when I saw SD's post

[skend04]

48 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

It’s clear that the people want to leave the EU. This second referendum talk is really hurting Labour.

Great insight even if it's completely nonsensical.

[aRdja]

1 minute ago, skend04 said:

Great insight even if it's completely nonsensical.

The top two polling parties are both Brexit parties?

[aRdja]

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[Barrington Womble]

49 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

The top two polling parties are both Brexit parties?

are the tories really a brexit party? i thought the tory right's whole argument is what uis strangling brexit, is a stay parlimanet - which includes the tories seeing as they form the government. can it not be inferred that many of those tory voters are quite happy with the lack of movement on brexit and are happy for them to keep fucking up as it keeps us in the EU? 

 

I think if there was a referendum tomorrow, it would likely be as close as last time. The european elections indicated that too. 

[skend04]

3 hours ago, viRdjil said:

The top two polling parties are both Brexit parties?

So the 47:47 split between those parties is indicating that the UK wants to leave the EU? I'm not the greatest mathematician but that's some great gymnastics by you.

 

 

[aRdja]

26 minutes ago, skend04 said:

So the 47:47 split between those parties is indicating that the UK wants to leave the EU? I'm not the greatest mathematician but that's some great gymnastics by you.

 

 

Labour is not a remain party skend04, if it was it would’ve been absolutely decimated IMO.

[Numero Veinticinco]

45 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Labour is not a remain party

They campaigned for remain and they're the only party capable of getting a referendum. 

[Boss]

3 hours ago, skend04 said:

So the 47:47 split between those parties is indicating that the UK wants to leave the EU? I'm not the greatest mathematician but that's some great gymnastics by you.

 

I think the referendum we had on this specific issue indicated that.

[Rico1304]

Louise Haigh seems good. 

[sir roger]

Don't know too much about her , but sure she was rated the busiest mp in the House a few years back , and seems quite popular with the police ( In her official capacity I mean )

[Rico1304]

8 hours ago, sir roger said:

Don't know too much about her , but sure she was rated the busiest mp in the House a few years back , and seems quite popular with the police ( In her official capacity I mean )

Labour lost a by election in the Rhonda yesterday.  Vote down by 15%.  They lost to Plaid Cymru who are anti Brexit. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I'm not sure you can read too much into a council ward by election result with only a 28% turnout and when the winning candidate only got 404 votes.... 

[aRdja]

 

[Scooby Dudek]

21 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

I'm not sure you can read too much into a council ward by election result with only a 28% turnout and when the winning candidate only got 404 votes.... 

You can if you really want too.

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 hours ago, viRdjil said:

 

Clearly hates the Jews. 

[sir roger]

• Labour lead by 2% (Survation)
• Labour lead by 6% (Opinium)
• Labour lead by 4% (ComRes)
• Labour lead by 6% (Delta)
• Labour lead by 1% (BMG)
• Tories lead by 2% (Ipsos)
• Tories lead by 6% (YouGov)

 

Just to put YouGov into perspective.

[Rico1304]

24 minutes ago, sir roger said:

• Labour lead by 2% (Survation)
• Labour lead by 6% (Opinium)
• Labour lead by 4% (ComRes)
• Labour lead by 6% (Delta)
• Labour lead by 1% (BMG)
• Tories lead by 2% (Ipsos)
• Tories lead by 6% (YouGov)

 

Just to put YouGov into perspective.

Probably me being shit but I can’t see the comres or survation polls on their websites.  When were they? 

[sir roger]

COMRES / DAILY TELEGRAPH POLL - JUNE 2019

Survey of GB adults on their voting intentions and attitudes towards different Conservative Leadership candidates.

Lab	27%	-
Con	23%	+3
Brex	22%	+2
LD	17%	+4
CHUK	1%	-5
UKIP	1%	-3
SNP	3%	-
Green	5%	+1
Other	2%	+1

 

 

 

 

NEW Westminster voting intention on behalf of @MoS_Politics. 2016 adults online, fieldwork June 19-20; LAB 26% CON 24% BREX 20% LD 18% GRE 6% CHUK 1% UKIP 1% AP 5%

2:27 pm - 22 Jun 2019

Survation

 

Notably impressed by Umunna managing to wangle his name into the new party name & then fucking off.

 

Also , probably me being biased , but I think the Tories vote will be inflated in most polls by the blanket coverage of Johnson / Gove so I reckon Labour / Libs / Greens should probably be a bit higher.

[aRdja]

[Rico1304]

Panorama should be interesting this week.  

[sir roger]

16 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Panorama should be interesting this week.  

It will , I just hope we are looking at new or proper issues or accusations with the usual allowance in documentaries for the target of these accusations to give their side of the matters , which isn't happening much in the media. The rumours are that it will be a regurgitation of old stuff from the Murdoch papers over the past year or so which are more or less discredited , but we will see.

 

Just out of interest this is the record of that anti-semitic c**t Corbyn over the years , and the party since he became leader.

 

To correct the imbalance caused by poor mainstream journalist, below are forty facts about the issue that will rarely, if ever, appear in the so-called ‘MSM’:

 

1. In October 1936, Jeremy Corbyn’s mother participated in the battle of Cable Street indefence of British Jews after British fascists had staged an assault on the area. Corbyn was raised in a household passionately opposed to antisemitism in all its forms.

 

2. In 23rd April 1977, Corbyn organised a counter-demonstrationto protect Wood Green from a neo-nazi march through the district. The area had a significant Jewish population.

 

3. On 7 November 1990, Corbyn signed a motion condemning the rise of antisemitism in the UK

 

4. In 2002 Jeremy Corbyn led a clean-up and vigil at Finsbury Park Synagogue which had been vandalised in an anti-Semitic attack

 

5. On 30 April 2002, Corbyn tabled a motion in the House of Commons condemning ananti-Semitic attackon a London Synagogue

6. On 26 November 2003, Jeremy Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motioncondemningterrorist attacks on two synagogues

 

7. In February 2009, Jeremy Corbyn signed a parliamentary motion condemning a fascist for establishing a website to host antisemitic materials

 

8. On 24th March 2009, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising British Jews who resisted the Holocaust by risking their lives to save potential victims

 

9. Nine years ago, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising “Jewish News”for its pioneering investigation into the spread of Antisemitism on Facebook

 

10. On 9 February 2010, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion calling for an investigation into Facebook and its failure to prevent the spread of antisemitic materials on its site.

 

11. On 27 October 2010, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising the late Israeli Prime Minister for pursuing a two state solution to the Israel/Palestine question.

 

12. On 13 June 2012, Corbyn sponsored and signed a motion condemning the BBC for cutting a Jewish Community television programme from its schedule.

 

13. 1 October 2013, Corbyn appeared on the BBC to defend Ralph Miliband against vile antisemitic attacks by the UK press.

 

14. Five years ago Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning antisemitism in sport.

 

15. On 1 March 2013, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning and expressing concern at growing levels of antisemitism in European football.

 

16. On 9 January 2014, Jeremy Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising Holocaust education programmes that had taken 20,000 British students to Auschwitz.

 

17. On 22 June 2015, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion expressing concern at the neo-nazi march being planned for an area of London with a significant Jewish population.

 

18. On 9 October 2016, Corbyn, close to tears, commemorated the 1936 Battle of Cable Street and recalled the role his mother played in defending London’s Jewish community.

 

19. On 3 December 2016, Corbyn made a visit to Terezin Concentration Camp when Jewish people were murdered by the Nazis. It was Jeremy’s third visit to such a camp, all of which were largely unreported in the most read UK papers.

 

20. Last year, a widely-endorsed 2018 academic report found ninety-five serious reporting failures in the reporting of the Labour antisemitism story with the worst offenders The Sun, the Mail & the BBC.

 

21. On 28 February 2016, five months after becoming leader, Jeremy Corbyn appointed Baroness Royall to investigate antisemitism at Oxford University Labour Club.

 

22. On 27 April 2016 Corbyn suspended an MP pending an investigation into antisemitism.

 

23. A day later, Corbyn suspended the three times Mayor of London after complaints of antisemitic comments. Party.

 

24. On 29 April 2016, Corbyn launched an inquiry into the prevalence of antisemitism in the Labour Party. In spite of later changes in how the inquiry was reported, it was initially praised by Jewish community organisations.

 

25. In Corbyn’s first seven months as leader of the Labour Party, just ten complaints were received about antisemitism. 90% of those were suspended from the Labour Party within 24 hours.

 

26. In September 2017, Corbyn backed a motion at Labour’s annual conference introducing a new set of rules regarding antisemitism.

 

27. In the six months that followed the introduction of the new code of conduct, to March 2018, 94% of the fifty-four people accused of antisemitism remained suspended or barred from Labour Party membership. Three of the fifty-four were exonerated.

 

28. When Jennie Formby became general secretary of the party last year, she appointed a highly-qualified in-house Counsel, as recommended in the Chakrabarti Report.

 

29. In 2018, Labour almost doubled the size of its staff team handling investigations and dispute processes.

 

30. Last year, to speed up the handling of antisemitism cases, smaller panels of 3-5 NEC members were established to enable cases to be heard more quickly.

 

31. Since 2018, every complaint made about antisemitism is allocated its own independent specialist barrister to ensure due process is followed.

 

32. The entire backlog of cases outstanding upon Jennie Formby becoming General Secretary of the Labour Party was cleared within 6 months of Jennie taking up her post.

 

33. Since September 2018, Labour has doubled the size of its National Constitutional Committee (NCC) – its senior disciplinary panel – from 11 to 25 members to enable it to process cases more quickly.

 

34. Under Formby and Labour’s left-run NEC, NCC arranged elections at short notice to ensure the NCC reached its new full capacity without delay.

 

35. Since later 2018, the NCC routinely convenes a greater number of hearing panels to allow cases to be heard and finalised without delay.

 

36. In 2018, the NEC established a ‘Procedures Working Group’ to lead reforms in the way disciplinary cases are handled.

 

37. The NEC adopted the IHRA working definition of antisemitism and all eleven examples of antisemitism attached to it.

 

38. A rule change agreed at Conference in 2018 means that all serious complaints, including antisemitism, are dealt with nationally to ensure consistency.

 

39. Last year, Jennie Formby wrote to the admins and moderators of Facebook groups about how they can effectively moderate online spaces and requested that any discriminatory content be reported to the Labour Party for investigation.

 

40. Since last year, no one outside Labour’s Governance and Legal Unit can be involved in decision-making on antisemitism investigations. This independence allows decisions free from political influence to be taken.

[Rico1304]

That’s pretty lame.  

 

But you’re right, could help to clear it up.  

 

Good that it’s Panorama, we’ve got trust in them. 

[aRdja]

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2018/09/17/jewish-intellectual-noam-chomsky-just-took-apart-the-antisemitism-smears-against-corbyn-2/

 

Noam Chomsky:

 

“The charges of anti-Semitism against Corbyn are without merit, an underhanded contribution to the disgraceful efforts to fend off the threat that a political party might emerge that is led by an admirable and decent human being, a party that is actually committed to the interests and just demands of its popular constituency and the great majority of the population generally”

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, viRdjil said:

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2018/09/17/jewish-intellectual-noam-chomsky-just-took-apart-the-antisemitism-smears-against-corbyn-2/

 

Noam Chomsky:

 

“The charges of anti-Semitism against Corbyn are without merit, an underhanded contribution to the disgraceful efforts to fend off the threat that a political party might emerge that is led by an admirable and decent human being, a party that is actually committed to the interests and just demands of its popular constituency and the great majority of the population generally”

Has he had a preview?