Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[FanchesterCity]

You could make a case that much of this is playing right into Muslim extremists hands too. Rather than being united in Europe and America we're becoming more fractured, and there's no denying the fear of radical Islam has played a part in a wider immigrations / race relations context.

[dennis tooth]

Like alot of peoples future prospects.

Cameron.

[cloggypop]

Just discussed this on the BBC news, but what's going to happen to UK legislation that has been drafted with EU obligations in mind.

 

Will the relevant bits be repealed by one all encompassing act? Will a full review of UK legislation and the legal system be required? If so, how long will this take and at what cost?

 

It's going to be a mindfuck.

There's going to be a lot of red tape

[jimmycase]

Like alot of peoples future prospects.

 

Yet more scaremongering.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

There's going to be a lot of red tape

 

You what? The pensioners were expecting Union Jack bunting. 

[dennis tooth]

You could make a case that much of this is playing right into Muslim extremists hands too. Rather than being united in Europe and America we're becoming more fractured, and there's no denying the fear of radical Islam has played a part in a wider immigrations / race relations context.

I think you are doing the fracturing.

Not sure what your point is.

[Strontium]

The bit in bold reminds me a lot of what I've seen all morning. 'Turkeys voting for Christmas' etc. It's not though is it? If I live in the back end of Burnley and haven't had a job for 15 years, why should I give a flying fuck  that some blert has to pay more for their holiday money?

 

Section, your most irritating trait is the way you continually defend the narrow-mindedness of the white working class and underclass.

 

If there's anyone who hasn't had a job for 15 years, the last people to blame for that are the EU and EU immigrants.

[cloggypop]

I've just heard someone saying that the price of footwear and clothing could drop in the UK.

 

Cheaper trabs? Hang on. Maybe this Brexit malarkey ain't so bad after all?

The fall in the pound means that imported Adidas trabs will be more expensive. You will all have to wear Lonsdale slip ons.

[Strontium]

Listening to some spastic on the radio (LBC) who voted out and has now been informed the £350m on NHS was a lie.

 

James O'Brien (host) is struggling to hold back from calling her a dimwitted cunt.

 

He has more restraint than I do, that's for sure. Probably just as well I'm not a radio broadcaster anyway.

[karl1987]

Yet more scaremongering.

 

Yup.  Im proud to have voted leave, and this lot will be thanking us in the long run when the EU eventually fails.  Thankfully we'll not be have to fork billions bailing them out.

 

We're in control of our own destiny now, exactly how it should always have been. . 

[Chairman Meow]

• It was all a German landgrab, they failed in the war so this was their second attempt (see above)

 

3rd surely?

[FanchesterCity]

Yeah fuck the foreigner's we need thr battle of Britain spirit to win through

What have they ever done for us

 

RAF piliots WW2

Poland 145

New Zealand 135

Canada 112

Czechoslovakia 88

Belgium 30

Australia 32

South Africa South Africa 25

France 14

 

Ha, just had a similar conversation with someone...

 

They said 'our grandfathers fought a war - not to be told what to do by the Germans'.

My take was 'they fought a war so that we could freely walk through France and Germany and broaden our future horizons in peace, not so we could batten down the hatches'.

 

Our nation is rapidly reflecting our football team. A lot of PR and 'promise' but actually, we aren't as amazing / speical as we think we are. We have some fantastic talent in this country, and a true bulldog spirit when push comes to shove, but so do plenty of other nations - it's just our arrogance that prevents us from seeing it.

[cloggypop]

Yet more scaremongering.

[skend04]

https://amp.twimg.com/v/7b0bb47f-6655-435a-8906-99529534de58

 

Haha I wonder how many voters were like this.

[FanchesterCity]

I think you are doing the fracturing.

Not sure what your point is.

 

The point is, the fear of a minority of Muslim extremists has increased the larger concerns over immigration, not just here, but likewise in the USA too.

That fear suits extremism because it widens the rift between 'us' and 'them'. It increases tensions between communities and has a polarising effect. Polarisation suits extremism.

 

Even more concerning is that from the people I've spoken to - immigration has been a major factor in their thinking, and yet it's often Muslims they use as an example of where the biggest issues / fear are. Muslims and Eastern Europeans are the clear targets for criticism.

[cloggypop]

 

 

Yup. Im proud to have voted leave, and this lot will be thanking us in the long run when the EU eventually fails. Thankfully we'll not be have to fork billions bailing them out.

 

We're in control of our own destiny now, exactly how it should always have been. .

You are spending 250 billion already bailing yourselves out.

 

Take back control.

[karl1987]

Listening to some spastic on the radio (LBC) who voted out and has now been informed the £350m on NHS was a lie.

 

James O'Brien (host) is struggling to hold back from calling her a dimwitted cunt.

What made them think we'd pump £350 million into the nhs in the first place?  The leave campaign released what they'd do weeks ago.  They said £100 million....  The £350 million was only used to show how much could be pumped into it if they wanted, to show how much money is sent to Brussels.

 

This was their plan they released, a couple of weeks ago....

 

Vote Leave said over subsequent sessions of Parliament it wanted to introduce:

• Finance Bill - This would abolish the 5% rate of VAT on household energy bills by amending the Value Added Tax Act 1994. It would be paid for by savings from the UK's contributions to the EU budget, Vote Leave said
• National Health Service (Funding Target) Bill - The NHS would receive a £100m per week real-terms cash "transfusion", to be paid for by savings from leaving the EU
• Asylum and Immigration Control Bill - "To end the automatic right of all EU citizens to enter the UK"
• Free Trade Bill - The UK leaves the EU's "common commercial policy" to "restore the UK government's power to control its own trade policy"
• European Communities Act 1972 (Repeal) Bill - The European Communities Act 1972, "the legal basis for the supremacy of EU law in the UK", will be repealed. "The EU Treaties will cease to form part of UK law and the European Court's jurisdiction over the UK will end," said Vote Leave.

[RoboRiise]

The bit in bold reminds me a lot of what I've seen all morning. 'Turkeys voting for Christmas' etc. It's not though is it? If I live in the back end of Burnley and haven't had a job for 15 years, why should I give a flying fuck  that some blert has to pay more for their holiday money? 

 

They probably shouldn't.  They probably should have asked themselves what the fuck they think the EU has to do with it though.

[jimmycase]

 

What made them think we'd pump £350 million into the nhs in the first place?  The leave campaign released what they'd do weeks ago.  They said £100 million....

 

This was their plan they released, a couple of weeks ago....

 

Vote Leave said over subsequent sessions of Parliament it wanted to introduce:

• Finance Bill - This would abolish the 5% rate of VAT on household energy bills by amending the Value Added Tax Act 1994. It would be paid for by savings from the UK's contributions to the EU budget, Vote Leave said
• National Health Service (Funding Target) Bill - The NHS would receive a £100m per week real-terms cash "transfusion", to be paid for by savings from leaving the EU
• Asylum and Immigration Control Bill - "To end the automatic right of all EU citizens to enter the UK"
• Free Trade Bill - The UK leaves the EU's "common commercial policy" to "restore the UK government's power to control its own trade policy"
• European Communities Act 1972 (Repeal) Bill - The European Communities Act 1972, "the legal basis for the supremacy of EU law in the UK", will be repealed. "The EU Treaties will cease to form part of UK law and the European Court's jurisdiction over the UK will end," said Vote Leave.

 

 

They dont want to acknowledge that though mate. They want to continue pushing Project Fear, calling everyone and anyone who voted to leave, backwards, knuckledraggers, xenophoes, racist etc, etc.

[magicrat]

Yesterday was the elderly making decisions on a future they wont be part of. They had cheap housing,jobs for life,a union and the NHS and over the past few elections and this referendum they've fucked the rest of us over

I said the same to my kids although I am not quite in my dotage. I said it was morally wrong that pensioners should be making decisions on issues that will mainly have consequences for their children and grandchildren, They were staunchly Remain and feel totally alienated today ;

angry and talking about getting out. Personally I am little more sanguine and don't believe this is doomsday . If there is a massive backlash and the economy starts to tank there is going to be political mileage in another vote, Nothing is irreversible for the next 2 years and that's a long time when only yesterday Cameron looked all over the winner and getting ready to crack open the champagne . Farage and cunts like Johnson will be history soon enough, 

Two other issues strike me as significant,

Scotland has a difficult problem as the only nation voting remain, Sturgeon is gagging for another vote on devolution but chances are she will lose whilst oil prices are on the floor, The other major change is that the centre ground of British politics is a now a wasteland . Cameron and Osbournes vision of occupying territory previously occupied by Labour is dead in the water and with the advent of Johnson backed by the right wing Tory loons and Corbyn on the left there is a gaping chasm. I still maintain the majority of people in this country are by nature fair minded moderates and no-one is speaking to them . Out of chaos comes opportunity and right now I cant recall many bigger ones in my lifetime,   

[karl1987]

You are spending 250 billion already bailing yourselves out.

 

Take back control.

 

Blame the remain campaign.  They undermined our entire economy for months by saying if we leave our economy will tank.  Hardly gonna  put confidence in investors is it....  Things will calm down.  Markets are all in shock because they thought remain was nailed on.  This was to be expected.

 

Im excited for our future now.  

[Gnasher]

Cameron.

Osborne not sitting to pretty either.

[cloggypop]

 

 

 

What made them think we'd pump £350 million into the nhs in the first place?

 

[jimmycase]

Blame the remain campaign.  They undermined our entire economy for months by saying if we leave our economy will tank.  Hardly gonna  put confidence in investors is it....  Things will calm down.  Markets are all in shock because they thought remain was nailed on.  This was to be expected.

 

He's wrong mate. Again. Carney has only said he's prepared to spend £250b. He hasnt spent it yet.

[cloggypop]

They dont want to acknowledge that though mate. They want to continue pushing Project Fear, calling everyone and anyone who voted to leave, backwards, knuckledraggers, xenophoes, racist etc, etc.