Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

16 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

'Desperate food manufacturers are pleading with the government to be able to call upon prisoners to solve a labour crisis blamed on the double blow of Brexit and Covid.

 

The Association of Independent Meat Suppliers, which represents butchers, abattoirs and processors, said it had a call set up with the Ministry of Justice on Monday that would explore how its members could recruit more current inmates and ex-offenders.

 

To fill vacancies companies are trying to draft in prisoners via a scheme that allows inmates to undertake paid work on day release. They are also contacting charities for ex-servicemen and women to try to drum up staff.

 

Tony Goodger of the meat suppliers’ association said some of its members already had inmates on the release on temporary licence programme working for them and found them to be an asset. It had also been in contact with the Career Transition Partnership, which helps former service personnel into work, and had been able to point some of them to members with job vacancies; however, the “numbers are low”, he said “Much of the food industry is facing a recruitment crisis,” said Goodger. “The advice we have received from the Home Office is that the UK’s domestic labour force should take priority.

 

However hard we and many of the members have tried, staffing remains a challenge.” Goodger said that last week he had contacted HMP Hollesley Bay in Suffolk, but the rehabilitation officer said there was such a big demand for inmates “we’ve reached our quota and we are not allowed to let any more out to go to work”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/23/uk-food-firms-beg-ministers-to-let-them-use-prisoners-to-ease-labour-shortages

Note; first three words of Spanners guardian article,

"Desperate food manufacturers"

 

Note, Spanner pastes article word for word without any objective analysis or criticism of these "desperate" chicken factory owners...fact; these owners are billionaires yet still subject workers to horrendously bad employment conditions for meagre rates of pay. 

 

Fact;  Labour Party member Spanner has shown more empathy for Billionaire factory owners than workers on minimum wage who get timed for toilet breaks,

 

Note; Labour Party well behind in opinion polls.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/08/ranjit-singh-boparan-returns-lead-2-sisters-poultry-division-food-standards-investigation

 

 

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/devon-2-sisters-factory-hit-4028476

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/mar/02/2-sisters-guilty-of-poor-hygiene-at-poultry-plants-fsa-finds

[Gnasher]

51 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

'Desperate food manufacturers are pleading with the government to be able to call upon prisoners to solve a labour crisis blamed on the double blow of Brexit and Covid.

 

The Association of Independent Meat Suppliers, which represents butchers, abattoirs and processors, said it had a call set up with the Ministry of Justice on Monday that would explore how its members could recruit more current inmates and ex-offenders.

 

To fill vacancies companies are trying to draft in prisoners via a scheme that allows inmates to undertake paid work on day release. They are also contacting charities for ex-servicemen and women to try to drum up staff.

 

Tony Goodger of the meat suppliers’ association said some of its members already had inmates on the release on temporary licence programme working for them and found them to be an asset. It had also been in contact with the Career Transition Partnership, which helps former service personnel into work, and had been able to point some of them to members with job vacancies; however, the “numbers are low”, he said “Much of the food industry is facing a recruitment crisis,” said Goodger. “The advice we have received from the Home Office is that the UK’s domestic labour force should take priority.

 

However hard we and many of the members have tried, staffing remains a challenge.” Goodger said that last week he had contacted HMP Hollesley Bay in Suffolk, but the rehabilitation officer said there was such a big demand for inmates “we’ve reached our quota and we are not allowed to let any more out to go to work”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/23/uk-food-firms-beg-ministers-to-let-them-use-prisoners-to-ease-labour-shortages

The answer to this problem is really really simple;

 

 

[Anubis]

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

5 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

 

Machines never worked anyway, so they’re using the cloak of Brexit fallout to justify their shoddy machinery and blatant disregard for consumer satisfaction.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

1 minute ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Machines never worked anyway, so they’re using the cloak of Brexit fallout to justify their shoddy machinery and blatant disregard for consumer satisfaction.

I’ve been waiting 9 weeks for a milkshake. 

[Gnasher]

10 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

'Desperate food manufacturers are pleading with the government to be able to call upon prisoners to solve a labour crisis blamed on the double blow of Brexit and Covid.

 

The Association of Independent Meat Suppliers, which represents butchers, abattoirs and processors, said it had a call set up with the Ministry of Justice on Monday that would explore how its members could recruit more current inmates and ex-offenders.

 

To fill vacancies companies are trying to draft in prisoners via a scheme that allows inmates to undertake paid work on day release. They are also contacting charities for ex-servicemen and women to try to drum up staff.

 

Tony Goodger of the meat suppliers’ association said some of its members already had inmates on the release on temporary licence programme working for them and found them to be an asset. It had also been in contact with the Career Transition Partnership, which helps former service personnel into work, and had been able to point some of them to members with job vacancies; however, the “numbers are low”, he said “Much of the food industry is facing a recruitment crisis,” said Goodger. “The advice we have received from the Home Office is that the UK’s domestic labour force should take priority.

 

However hard we and many of the members have tried, staffing remains a challenge.” Goodger said that last week he had contacted HMP Hollesley Bay in Suffolk, but the rehabilitation officer said there was such a big demand for inmates “we’ve reached our quota and we are not allowed to let any more out to go to work”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/23/uk-food-firms-beg-ministers-to-let-them-use-prisoners-to-ease-labour-shortages

Just in.

 

Here's the right and proper response to the above problem, one which the Labour Party must heed if it has any chance of winning the next election, 

 

 

I await Spanner and his crew on this thread to call the award winning journalist above a load of silly names for making a perfectly reasonable point. O'Conner is no brexit loving  left wing looney, she a remainer who writes for the times ffs.

[Bruce Spanner]

5 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

 

Machines never worked anyway, so they’re using the cloak of Brexit fallout to justify their shoddy machinery and blatant disregard for consumer satisfaction.

[Anubis]

Gnasher has finally broken Bruce, who is now repeating his own posts…

[Stickman]

Hopefully the cunt decides to walk there 

 

Ian Botham appointed UK trade ambassador to Australia
Former England cricketer and crossbench peer will ‘bat for business down under’, says Liz Truss

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/23/ian-botham-appointed-uk-trade-ambassador-to-australia?__twitter_impression=true

[Gnasher]

12 minutes ago, Stickman said:

Hopefully the cunt decides to walk there 

 

Ian Botham appointed UK trade ambassador to Australia
Former England cricketer and crossbench peer will ‘bat for business down under’, says Liz Truss

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/23/ian-botham-appointed-uk-trade-ambassador-to-australia?__twitter_impression=true

Yeah it's on one of the other threads, thought the aussies hated Botham, the tories will probably give Jim Davidson the envoy to Jamaica job next, go there doing his old Chalky White routine.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Just in.

 

Here's the right and proper response to the above problem, one which the Labour Party must heed if it has any chance of winning the next election, 

 

 

I await Spanner and his crew on this thread to call the award winning journalist above a load of silly names for making a perfectly reasonable point. O'Conner is no brexit loving  left wing looney, she a remainer who writes for the times ffs.

Awards mean fuck all.

 

This guy got a Pulitzer.
 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Awards mean fuck all.

 

This guy got a Pulitzer.
 

 

A few weeks ago I wouldn't have got that.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Awards mean fuck all.

 

This guy got a Pulitzer.
 

 

True.

 

I think O'connor deserves the plaudits though, this country is awash with bad journalists so the consistently good ones are worth reading.

 

This is her investigation into the clothes sweatshops in Midlands, she's put a link in to avoid the paywall. Note her dig at our fantastic government for failing to act on any of the recommendations after they called her to give evidence to the government select committee.

 

 

 

[Moo]

I think I suggested a couple of months ago, in this thread, that the Tories would plug low paid vacancies with those unemployed claiming benefits in order to continue claiming benefits.  I see they appear to be going down the prisoner route instead so maybe they'll get away with even lower wages.  Something along these lines was inevitable with a Tory Brexit government, they are inextricably linked.

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Moo said:

I think I suggested a couple of months ago, in this thread, that the Tories would plug low paid vacancies with those unemployed claiming benefits in order to continue claiming benefits.  I see they appear to be going down the prisoner route instead so maybe they'll get away with even lower wages.  Something along these lines was inevitable with a Tory Brexit government, they are inextricably linked.

I don't think so, the prisoner route (which I agree with prisoners who are due release getting work experience before they get out) is only going to be a sticking plaster fix. It boils down to supply and demand and making work/pay attractive enough to encourage the applicant. Also a lot of people after having so much time off may reevaluate their life/work axis and think 'fuck it'' and if it doesn't fit they won't do it 

 

I'd be very surprised is we saw wage deflation any time soon although I won't be surprised to see the government trying to pull strokes like you suggest.

[Moo]

It boils down to getting the cheapest possible labour. All the better if it's government sponsored.

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Moo said:

It boils down to getting the cheapest possible labour. All the better if it's government sponsored.

Yes it does for them but their are thousands upon thousands working in these factory's up and down the country, if they take on over a small percentage of prisoners they risk a walkout which bosses can ill afford. Prisoners can only take up a certain amount of low level slack, I'd be surprised if they'd ever total more than ten per cent of the workforce.

[No2]

Time to start locking up people and releasing them on condition they take these jobs.

[Gnasher]

24 minutes ago, No2 said:

Time to start locking up people and releasing them on condition they take these jobs.

I know you're joking but we already lock up the highest rate of people per population in Western Europe, the problem is the prison system is well and truly fucked, they're not giving these people any sort of chance to succeed on release, the re offending rate shows what a dismal failure our prison/probation system is at the moment. 

[No2]

38 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I know you're joking but we already lock up the highest rate of people per population in Western Europe, the problem is the prison system is well and truly fucked, they're not giving these people any sort of chance to succeed on release, the re offending rate shows what a dismal failure our prison/probation system is at the moment. 

I'm not joking though, Angry's crew of merry men have been trying to tell you that the tories and their mates won't be the losers here. Employees will come in by the container load from the Philippines or from mass release from prison, what won't happen is these workers will receive a significant wage rise.

[Gnasher]

11 minutes ago, No2 said:

I'm not joking though, Angry's crew of merry men have been trying to tell you that the tories and their mates won't be the losers here. Employees will come in by the container load from the Philippines or from mass release from prison, what won't happen is these workers will receive a significant wage rise.

OK.

[Bruce Spanner]

This has been bubbling under for a while and could prove a real nightmare as we don't have any real infastructure as we outsourced the vast, vast majority to Europe and it's going to really bite manufactures, mainly small as they can't absorb the additional costs, on the arse.

 

You'd think they would have thought of this...

 

'The government has pushed back a deadline for the launch of post-Brexit product safety standards by allowing companies to follow EU rules until 2023, in the latest climbdown amid concerns over the economy.

 

Businesses will have an extra year to start using the new UKCA mark, which is planned to replace the EU’s CE mark used to certify that a wide range of products meet safety standards, including electrical goods and construction materials.

 

In the latest delay to post-Brexit reforms as firms struggle with disruption caused by the pandemic and leaving the EU, the government said firms would be given more time to adapt. “Recognising the impact of the pandemic on businesses, the government will extend this deadline to 1 January 2023 to apply UKCA marks for certain products to demonstrate compliance with product safety regulations, rather than 1 January 2022,” the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy said.

 

Business leaders had said that forcing them to meet new UK rules, which will at first duplicate EU product standards, would come with significant cost at a delicate moment for the economy.

 

CE markings are required for a wide range of consumer products, from laptops to table lamps and hairdryers.

 

Ministers argue the UKCA mark will allow the UK to control its goods regulations while maintaining high safety standards. However, many businesses say the changes will force them to fill in reams of additional paperwork or make changes to their production lines, as manufacturers selling goods in both the EU and the UK will be forced to follow two regimes.'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/24/uk-brexit-safety-ukca-mark-eu-ce

 

[Arniepie]

2 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

This has been bubbling under for a while and could prove a real nightmare as we don't have any real infastructure as we outsourced the vast, vast majority to Europe and it's going to really bite manufactures, mainly small as they can't absorb the additional costs, on the arse.

 

You'd think they would have thought of this...

 

'The government has pushed back a deadline for the launch of post-Brexit product safety standards by allowing companies to follow EU rules until 2023, in the latest climbdown amid concerns over the economy.

 

Businesses will have an extra year to start using the new UKCA mark, which is planned to replace the EU’s CE mark used to certify that a wide range of products meet safety standards, including electrical goods and construction materials.

 

In the latest delay to post-Brexit reforms as firms struggle with disruption caused by the pandemic and leaving the EU, the government said firms would be given more time to adapt. “Recognising the impact of the pandemic on businesses, the government will extend this deadline to 1 January 2023 to apply UKCA marks for certain products to demonstrate compliance with product safety regulations, rather than 1 January 2022,” the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy said.

 

Business leaders had said that forcing them to meet new UK rules, which will at first duplicate EU product standards, would come with significant cost at a delicate moment for the economy.

 

CE markings are required for a wide range of consumer products, from laptops to table lamps and hairdryers.

 

Ministers argue the UKCA mark will allow the UK to control its goods regulations while maintaining high safety standards. However, many businesses say the changes will force them to fill in reams of additional paperwork or make changes to their production lines, as manufacturers selling goods in both the EU and the UK will be forced to follow two regimes.'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/24/uk-brexit-safety-ukca-mark-eu-ce

 

It's almost laughable how much of a car crash this is.An expert was on radio 4 before saying we will still be having problems at Christmas. 

If someone would have predicted this 12 months ago they would have been laughed at,yet now delays ,food shortages, industries like fishing decimated are met with a ..yeah but what you gonna do?

[TheHowieLama]

Going to be difficult for some demonstrators losing there go to:

 

McDonald's has been forced to stop selling milkshakes at nearly 1,300 restaurants in the United Kingdom as Brexit-related staff shortages and supply chain delays caused by the pandemic continue to slam companies. 

[Gnasher]

Can't read the latest O'connor expose' on Britain's labour markets because I've done my free limit, I will be reading it as soon as I can though, however in the meantime if someone could find a way to cut and paste or link it I'd be most grateful, cheers.