Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[AngryOfTuebrook]

14 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

The last page of that Greece thread (page 29) shows that it was bumped a year ago for Gnasher's benefit, no doubt in response to a previous nonsensical claim by him.

That's just the kind of thing a neocon modern slaver like you would say.

[Gnasher]

3 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

I don't think you've even read the thread.

Sorry what thread? The greek one? I'm not implying most on here were not overjoyed that the socialist party won in Greece. That was not the point I was trying to make. I was alluding to the suggestion that when things go a bit tits up and the eu has a thumb in the tits up pie things go a little more silent. Ie when I say the overthrow of Greece, the end of, the horrible outcome, the destroyed dreams. You can post the reaction to that on here on the back of a matchbox. That was the point I was making.

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Here you go.  Off the top of my head, a rebuttal of every point you've tried to make.

 

Make of it what you will. 

That's a load of wibble " discussed at length" oh come on.

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Here you go.  Off the top of my head, a rebuttal of every point you've tried to make.

 

Make of it what you will. 

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/

 

Your point about eu migration not effecting the poor is elusive and disingenuous. Although the effect is small it is very real and this is in my opinion where the general views expressed on this forum are wrong and at odds with the general public. . Its imo not the ignorance of the poor and working class that lost the eu vote but the middle class who ignored the predicament of those on the lower end of the british scale.

[Gnasher]

3 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

I don't think you've even read the thread.

No but I did read your joke deriding people less fortunate than you though , you know the joke about poor people dying in a ditch holding blue passports. 

[Gnasher]

Take the piss out of the poor all you like but the below is imo the main reason people voted out.

 

 

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/

[Gnasher]

3 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Here you go.  Off the top of my head, a rebuttal of every point you've tried to make.

 

Make of it what you will. 

"Giving people the right to work in a host country protects them from slavery"

 

You must be fucking joking, it just creates easier avenues for people trading. Get real.

[Gnasher]

3 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Here you go.  Off the top of my head, a rebuttal of every point you've tried to make.

 

Make of it what you will. 

Utter tosh. 

[Gnasher]

4 hours ago, Numero said:

And what exactly do you base that on?

You said a few posts up the definitive for right wing/ left wing were plain and easy to understand. I disagree. Now you appear to want me to explain it to you.

[Gnasher]

Could do a remake of lord of the flies in here. Must be where Golding got his inspiration.

[Gnasher]

24 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

"Giving people the right to work in a host country protects them from slavery"

 

You must be fucking joking, it just creates easier avenues for people trading. Get real.

Angry, "protects them from slavery"

 

I will put this as politely as I can because its clear you are a well meaning fella but sadly a million miles away from the streets of planet Britain 2020 but you haven't got a fucking clue, 

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/05/world/europe/uk-modern-slavery.html

 

 

 

Here you go

 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/labor-trafficking-exploitation-modern-day-slavery-on-the-rise-in-europe-report/

[Numero Veinticinco]

21 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

You said a few posts up the definitive for right wing/ left wing were plain and easy to understand. I disagree. Now you appear to want me to explain it to you.

No, I don’t. I want to know what you’ve based your comment about me and Liz Kendall being in the same political landscape on. 

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Numero said:

No, I don’t. I want to know what you’ve based your comment about me and Liz Kendall being in the same political landscape on. 

Well I' obviously havnt followed every political opinion you've kindly bestowed upon us (I normally drift onto the shopping chanel after the first paragraph) but from what I've heard from the lovely looking Liz and  then  related them to your mutterings i think you two could break the bread. Which let's be honest is not a massive insult by any means.

[Numero Veinticinco]

9 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Well I' obviously havnt followed every political opinion you've kindly bestowed upon us (I normally drift onto the shopping chanel after the first paragraph) but from what I've heard from the lovely looking Liz and  then  related them to your mutterings i think you two could break the bread. Which let's be honest is not a massive insult by any means.

Is there ANYTHING based on political opinion or are you just making it up? 

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, Numero said:

Is there ANYTHING based on political opinion or are you just making it up? 

Well off the top of my head, I know it sounds obvious but you both seem massive pro remainers and are both non too keen on Jeremy Corbyn. Oh and you both (forgive me if I'm wrong) are not that concerned over the re nationalising of British assets 

[Numero Veinticinco]

29 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Well off the top of my head, I know it sounds obvious but you both seem massive pro remainers and are both non too keen on Jeremy Corbyn. Oh and you both (forgive me if I'm wrong) are not that concerned over the re nationalising of British assets 

I’m not a massive pro-remainer, I wanted to avoid the shitshow that will follow. Liking Corbyn’s leadership or not isn’t a political position. I’d like - at least - all utilities to have an option that is publicly owned. I also accept that elections need to be won. 
 

So, essentially, I criticised Corbyn. That’s pretty much your entire act. 

[mattyq]

I'm sure a lot of people have seen this already but in the current situation it's worth another viewing

 

 

[Gnasher]

59 minutes ago, Numero said:

I’m not a massive pro-remainer, I wanted to avoid the shitshow that will follow. Liking Corbyn’s leadership or not isn’t a political position. I’d like - at least - all utilities to have an option that is publicly owned. I also accept that elections need to be won. 
 

So, essentially, I criticised Corbyn. That’s pretty much your entire act. 

Well not really as we are on the eu thread giving different opinions on the eu so Corbyn is evidently not my "entire act"  as you put it.

[Numero Veinticinco]

FFS. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/

 

Your point about eu migration not effecting the poor is elusive and disingenuous. 

That "point" was a typo; a lapse of concentration because I was at work. I didn't mean to write "it doesn't": I meant to write "it wasn't" - as in "it wasn't 'scorned upon' any of the million times you posted it."

 

If you'd ever paid attention to anyone's replies or tried to understand anything that gets posted on here, you would have recognised that straight away. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

"Giving people the right to work in a host country protects them from slavery"

 

You must be fucking joking, it just creates easier avenues for people trading. Get real.

Apart from a headline to a Times article that you haven’t read, what are you basing your opinion on?

 

Every single expert on modern slavery I've ever read or heard all agree that giving workers rights is actually good for workers. Despite many requests, you still haven't explained your theory that taking rights from workers is the best way of protecting them.

[Section_31]

I reckon if there's such a thing as Internet hell it's this thread, with Gnasher replying to himself - forever.

[Strontium]

Even if Gnasher was making good points (he isn't), the sheer, hectoring monotony with which he vomits forth polemic is an insurmountable barrier to discourse.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Angry, "protects them from slavery"

 

I will put this as politely as I can because its clear you are a well meaning fella but sadly a million miles away from the streets of planet Britain 2020 but you haven't got a fucking clue, 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/05/world/europe/uk-modern-slavery.html

Pay attention.

"The gang used intimidation, threats and violence".

They were caught because, once some charity workers had identified people they thought were victims, they were able to go to the Police without fear of deportation. 

Your proposal is to strip these workers of the right to be here; that simultaneously strips them of the hope of help from the Police. It provides an extra weapon for the slavers; one that is used by slavers in the UK and throughout the world. 

Will you ever even try to answer the question  - how do you propose to improve workers' rights by taking rights away from workers?

 

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

Here you go

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/labor-trafficking-exploitation-modern-day-slavery-on-the-rise-in-europe-report/

As I've pointed out every time you've posted that, that's not about the EU; it's about Europe. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Could do a remake of lord of the flies in here. Must be where Golding got his inspiration.

Utterly bizarre comment.