Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[No2]

8 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I have read up on workers in Qatar, terrible approx two per day dying and many more injured. 

 

There are many eu sex workers working in the uk with no rights who have been enslaved into prostitution who cannot get home. Many east Europeans who thought they were going to be a maid or a nanny. Shocking. Happening right now.

The EU sex workers are generally illegally moved and held. Its an offence.

 

What multiple people have tried to explain to you dozens of times is the scenario of 250 Guatemalan fruit pickers working 16 hours a day for a Tory landowner won't be illegal. They will no doubt have the same rights as some far flung territory the UK still rule. All above board and subsidised by tax payers. That is what your mates voted for.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I have read up on workers in Qatar, terrible approx two per day dying and many more injured. 

 

There are many eu sex workers working in the uk with no rights who have been enslaved into prostitution who cannot get home. Many east Europeans who thought they were going to be a maid or a nanny. Shocking. Happening right now.

They do have rights. If they go to the Police, they are entitled to protection and the slavers can be prosecuted. 

 

But...

Thanks to Brexit, there's a chance that they will be deported if they go to the Police. The victims of crime could be liable to a punishment if they report that crime. Brexit has made a bad situation worse.

[No2]

6 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Rights? These poor fuvkers got no rights 

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-herefordshire-farm-quarantine-outbreak-workers-escape-police-a9617141.html

You haven't read that either have you?

[Gnasher]

7 minutes ago, No2 said:

The EU sex workers are generally illegally moved and held. Its an offence.

 

What multiple people have tried to explain to you dozens of times is the scenario of 250 Guatemalan fruit pickers working 16 hours a day for a Tory landowner won't be illegal. They will no doubt have the same rights as some far flung territory the UK still rule. All above board and subsidised by tax payers. That is what your mates voted for.

And what I've tried to explain to you dozens of times is eu laws are not worth the paper they are written on when it comes to low skilled manual workers. There is ample proof of that. 

 

As for tories coming the absolute cunt in the future? I dont doubt it. I'm not going to turn a blind eye and give a free pass to a house full of east European slaves because a house full of vietnamese will probably take their place.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

17 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

You really believe they can simply 'walk out of a job?? Really?

I never said it was easy: I said they had the right.

 

Slavery is a real thing and it's illegal. You keep blurring the lines of your argument by using the word "slavery" to describe things that aren't slavery: workers (such as migrant workers in agriculture) who are overworked and underpaid are no doubt exploited, but that alone doesn't make them slaves.

 

Slavery is a serious subject, so please take it seriously; that means being accurate in your terminology.

[cloggypop]

The Vietnamese are too busy growing weed. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

And what I've tried to explain to you dozens of times is eu laws are not worth the paper they are written on when it comes to low skilled manual workers. There is ample proof of that. 

Do you blame the EU for the failure of Member States to enforce laws?

[Rushies tash]

I think we're getting into the realms of "god doesn't exist, yes he does". I'm going to leave it as I don't think anything is going to alter Gnasher's point of view, which of course, he is entitled to.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

27 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Rights? These poor fuvkers got no rights 

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-herefordshire-farm-quarantine-outbreak-workers-escape-police-a9617141.html

They have the right to be protected by the Council, health authorities and the Police - as demonstrated by that article. 

 

They are not slaves. 

[Gnasher]

24 minutes ago, No2 said:

You haven't read that either have you?

Why did you say the word "either" then? Following others on the forum perhaps? Yes I've read it. I can give you plenty of other examples if you desire. Another mistake you've made is when you spout 'that's what you and your mates voted for"  A. I didn't vote for it. B. People dont vote for something in a referendum they vote against something. Same as governments, as the wiley old sage Harold Wilson once remarked " the public dont vote governments in they vote them out" he was correct. It's where Cameron went wrong, giving a binary choice for a complex subject, your train of thought is following the same path. 

 

Now have a good day I'm off to listen to my Vera Lynn records.

[Gnasher]

17 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

The Vietnamese are too busy growing weed. 

Cant fault em. Let em in.

[cloggypop]

18 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Cant fault em. Let em in.

 

[No2]

53 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Why did you say the word "either" then? Following others on the forum perhaps? Yes I've read it. I can give you plenty of other examples if you desire. Another mistake you've made is when you spout 'that's what you and your mates voted for"  A. I didn't vote for it. B. People dont vote for something in a referendum they vote against something. Same as governments, as the wiley old sage Harold Wilson once remarked " the public dont vote governments in they vote them out" he was correct. It's where Cameron went wrong, giving a binary choice for a complex subject, your train of thought is following the same path. 

 

Now have a good day I'm off to listen to my Vera Lynn records.

I said either because that article, like plenty of previous ones you posted didn't say anything like what you claimed it did. Unlike most on here I occasionally click on your links.

 

Secondly don't misquote me please. I didn't say you and your mates, I know you didn't vote for the one thing you never shut up about, hence the reason I said just your mates.

[Bjornebye]

Gnasher , genuine question fella, are you Ann Widdecombe? 

[SasaS]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I never said it was easy: I said they had the right.

 

Slavery is a real thing and it's illegal. You keep blurring the lines of your argument by using the word "slavery" to describe things that aren't slavery: workers (such as migrant workers in agriculture) who are overworked and underpaid are no doubt exploited, but that alone doesn't make them slaves.

 

Slavery is a serious subject, so please take it seriously; that means being accurate in your terminology.

There are also many forms of slavery. Brian Ferry was famously a slave to love, whilst Grace Jones was enslaved by the rhythm.

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, SasaS said:

There are also many forms of slavery. Brian Ferry was famously a slave to love, whilst Grace Jones was enslaved by the rhythm.

Slaven Bilic. 

[Chairman Meow]

16 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Grace Jones was enslaved by the rhythm.

 

If it wants you there is nowhere you can hide, the rhythm is gonna get you.

[Bruce Spanner]

 

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

 

[Gnasher]

3 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Gnasher , genuine question fella, are you Ann Widdecombe? 

My dream girl.

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, SasaS said:

There are also many forms of slavery. Brian Ferry was famously a slave to love, whilst Grace Jones was enslaved by the rhythm.

Grace Jones is boss.

[Gnasher]

3 hours ago, No2 said:

I said either because that article, like plenty of previous ones you posted didn't say anything like what you claimed it did. Unlike most on here I occasionally click on your links.

 

Secondly don't misquote me please. I didn't say you and your mates, I know you didn't vote for the one thing you never shut up about, hence the reason I said just your mates.

"Unlike most on here" chuckle. You and your other posters again eh kid? You seem to think you know what other posters do or in this case dont do dont you?  Jog on.

[Gnasher]

4 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

They have the right to be protected by the Council, health authorities and the Police - as demonstrated by that article. 

 

They are not slaves. 

Oh come on Angry. Some are some are not. You buy a ticket and take your chance. Exploitation is rife on these farms and most people know it. 

 

Many landowners know and turn a blind eye. 

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hereford-worcester-49396728

 

It's all over Southern England.

[Gnasher]

Pretending modern day slavery does not exist only helps the enablers.

 

 

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/shocking-extent-of-modern-slavery-in-agriculture-revealed

 

These licences gangmasters are little more than thugs who help in the exploitation of poor people. Many landowners turn a blind eye.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

44 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Oh come on Angry. Some are some are not. You buy a ticket and take your chance. Exploitation is rife on these farms and most people know it. 

 

Many landowners know and turn a blind eye. 

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hereford-worcester-49396728

 

It's all over Southern England.

"Some are, some are not" is the truest thing you've said on this subject.  It's important not to blur the distinction.