Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Anubis]

4 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

What do the DUP actually want?

 

A good kicking...

[ElishaScottBC]

13 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

What do the DUP actually want?

[Strontium]

24 Labour MPs voted against a second referendum. Lost by 12 votes.

[Numero Veinticinco]

6 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

24 Labour MPs voted against a second referendum. Lost by 12 votes.

Yeah, fucks me off. That said, I think it is a legitimate position to hold if you're a Labour MP from a constituency that was strongly Leave. It wasn't a second referendum exactly, was it. It was confirmation of a deal. Still, they really should have a second referendum. This entire thing is a fucking farce.  

[Numero Veinticinco]

[Scooby Dudek]

22 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Lost by 3 with the DUP voting against and only 1 LD voting in favour. 

Libs playing politics by only voting in favour of second vote, if they had backed a Customs Union it would have passed. 

GIMP 11 also voted against, so easily 16 votes in favour. 

 

Libs now pushing for Customs union with vote going to people. This would be the compromise that should pass. 

 

[Jose Jones]

4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

24 Labour MPs voted against a second referendum. Lost by 12 votes.

10 Labour MPs also voted against Customs Union (as did the Lib Dems).

If those dickheads had just got their heads together it could easily have been a Parliamentary result to have a softer Brexit up against no Brexit in a second referendum.

Now it's May's deal versus No deal Brexit as the two most likely options.  Set of stupid twats those Labour and Lib Dems MPs.

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

10 Labour MPs also voted against Customs Union (as did the Lib Dems).

If those dickheads had just got their heads together it could easily have been a Parliamentary result to have a softer Brexit up against no Brexit in a second referendum.

Now it's May's deal versus No deal Brexit as the two most likely options.  Set of stupid twats those Labour and Lib Dems MPs.

I think the idea is that nobody wants a no deal Brexit, so there's going to have to be either a second referendum or an election. 

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Jose Jones said:

10 Labour MPs also voted against Customs Union (as did the Lib Dems).

If those dickheads had just got their heads together it could easily have been a Parliamentary result to have a softer Brexit up against no Brexit in a second referendum.

Now it's May's deal versus No deal Brexit as the two most likely options.  Set of stupid twats those Labour and Lib Dems MPs.

 

Customs Union is barely better than May's deal. People who have spent the last three years opposing Brexit are hardly likely to swing behind a slightly less damaging version of Brexit.

[Jose Jones]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I think the idea is that nobody wants a no deal Brexit, so there's going to have to be either a second referendum or an election. 

Most likely that May will hold the No Deal deadline over Parliament to try to force MV3 through I think.  And it may possibly work.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Jose Jones said:

Most likely that May will hold the No Deal deadline over Parliament to try to force MV3 through I think.  And it may possibly work.

I just can't see it. The margin is huge. She couldn't even get them to agree half of it. That said, I've called a lot of these votes wrong, so who really knows. 

[Boss]

Makes a mockery of the referendum - which instead of standing for the public deciding to Leave or Remain actually stood for allowing 650 people to do whatever the fuck they want, without any outside consultation.

[Anubis]

I think the threat of no deal just increased. If the EU hold to the line that you have to offer them a plan before they extend the A50 deadline, then at the moment there is nothing on the table. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

Makes a mockery of the referendum - which instead of standing for the public deciding to Leave or Remain actually stood for allowing 650 people to do whatever the fuck they want, without any outside consultation.

The referendum made mockery of the referendum. Allowing 'Leave' to be anywhere from a hippie, left-wing loving remain to a right-wing 'kick em out' remain ensured people weren't going to agree. So now they're whittling down what is acceptable, we should then get to vote on that. 'Hey, guys. That exit you wanted. This is the deal we go. You cool with that or shall we fuck it off?'. 

 

Seems like democracy to me.

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, Anubis said:

I think the threat of no deal just increased. If the EU hold to the line that you have to offer them a plan before they extend the A50 deadline, then at the moment there is nothing on the table. 

I think the chance of revocation has just increased, too. The chance of a deal has decreased. I just can't see this government, big business who fund them, or the news media allowing it. No fucker wants it. 

[Trumo]

32 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

What do the DUP actually want?

 

Cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick.

[Anubis]

I hope you’re right NV, and I hope I’m wrong. But I’m not the only one thinking it. 

 

 

 

[Boss]

2 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

The referendum made mockery of the referendum. Allowing 'Leave' to be anywhere from a hippie, left-wing loving remain to a right-wing 'kick em out' remain ensured people weren't going to agree. So now they're whittling down what is acceptable, we should then get to vote on that. 'Hey, guys. That exit you wanted. This is the deal we go. You cool with that or shall we fuck it off?'. 

 

Seems like democracy to me.

Are they allowing the public to decide on the deals put forward? Because I haven't seen anything to that effect. They just voted against a second referendum.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

36 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

What do the DUP actually want?

They wanna really really really wanna zig-a-zig ha. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

Are they allowing the public to decide on the deals put forward?

No, they should. The should see what they can pass, or the deal the government want if they can’t, then allow the public to decide given the new information. It’s too big not to. 

[Boss]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

No, they should. The should see what they can pass, or the deal the government want if they can’t, then allow the public to decide given the new information. It’s too big not to. 

 

They've just voted against that.

[skend04]

6 minutes ago, Anubis said:

I hope you’re right NV, and I hope I’m wrong. But I’m not the only one thinking it. 

 

 

 

Of course it's a no deal. It's been on the cards since we triggered Art.50 without a plan. You've just got to decide now how you're going to see out the next year or so whilst the place burns around us.

[Lee909]

48 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

What do the DUP actually want?

 

Cromwell to rise from the fucking dead most likely

[Numero Veinticinco]

10 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

They've just voted against that.

Yes. By 12 votes, and along with every other other option. Unless you think this impass will be eternal, something is going to have to change. 

[Jose Jones]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yes. By 12 votes, and along with every other other option. Unless you think this impass will be eternal, something is going to have to change. 

It is pretty funny really.  They've voted against 5 different types of deals, a no deal, and a confirmatory referendum on either a deal or a no deal.