Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[magicrat]

1 minute ago, skend04 said:

This is so painful. There are no more negotiations to be had with the EU. It's so fucking obvious except for in parliament. The option now is no deal or stay. The sooner this is accepted by everyone concerned the better.

No, a lengthy extension is likely which brings a second vote firmly into focus.

[Jenson]

Can't see how this can be ended without either a second referendum or a GE.

[Mudface]

2 minutes ago, Jenson said:

Can't see how this can be ended without either a second referendum or a GE.

Even in those cases, it might not get resolved. A hung parliament, or a close referendum (even if one gets through), and we'd be back in the same situation. Fucking Cameron, fucking Tories.

[Captain Howdy]

It’s complete deadlock

[cloggypop]

What's the consequences for my brown sauce empire though? 

 

Let's look at the big picture here. 

[Jenson]

I think if Labour were to offer a binary referendum - leaving with their version of a deal or remain - then I think that might get them a slight majority in a GE.

[Strontium]

Ian Dunt's commentary on the debate is informative and hilarious

 

 

[Jenson]

According to Oakeshott on Sky News one opinion poll gives the Tories a 10 point lead over Labour. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that's a YouGov poll.

[SasaS]

OK, so, this charade will go on for two more weeks, and then they will accept May's deal?

Tomorrow, they will vote that there will be no no-deal Brexit, then to ask for extension of Article 50 which will be refused by the EU.

Then May will go to Brussels again for a couple more sentences to present in the parliament, which will be faced with a choice of her deal or imminent no deal (which they by that time would have removed as a possibility). At that time, about a 100 MPs will come to the conclusion that this was actually a pretty good lipstick and that you can hardly see the pig anymore and vote for the deal, DUP and some others will abstain and May's deal will be ratified.

[Mudface]

8 minutes ago, Jenson said:

According to Oakeshott on Sky News one opinion poll gives the Tories a 10 point lead over Labour. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that's a YouGov poll.

I think it was a TNS poll. Tories have been pretty static at about 40% for a while, and Labour have dropped a fair bit recently due to the Tinge Group.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

[Mudface]

She might get some soothing liquid for her throat, if the poor bloke has a good imagination.

[Jenson]

56 minutes ago, Mudface said:

I think it was a TNS poll. Tories have been pretty static at about 40% for a while, and Labour have dropped a fair bit recently due to the Tinge Group.

I don't understand why the Tinge Group are even included in these polls. How many of them is there? 11?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, skend04 said:

This is so painful. There are no more negotiations to be had with the EU. It's so fucking obvious except for in parliament. The option now is no deal or stay. The sooner this is accepted by everyone concerned the better.

That's not strictly true.

 

There are no negotiations to be had (as there haven't been for months) around May's "red lines".  The EU would be willing to negotiate around Labour's proposals (although couldn't begin to guess whether they'd have any more chance of reaching a deal that's acceptable to Parliament).

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Jenson said:

I don't understand why the Tinge Group are even included in these polls. How many of them is there? 11?

It's like when they include UKIP in the "Westminster voting intentions" polls; as long as we have FPTP support for those fringe groups just won't translate to any seats.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Jenson said:

I think if Labour were to offer a binary referendum - leaving with their version of a deal or remain - then I think that might get them a slight majority in a GE.

They're definitely making more noises along those lines (even before the rubbish* took itself out a few weeks ago).

 

 

 

 

*Edited to acknowledge Rico's point that one of them - can't recall who; never heard of the cunt - might be a decent constituency MP.

[Dr Nowt]

What’s the bet if/when it does go to a 2nd referendum, it’s her deal or remain?

[rubble-rouser]

9 minutes ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

What’s the bet if/when it does go to a 2nd referendum, it’s her deal or remain?

Sounds about right. What would the JRMs of the world advocate under those circumstances though?

[Pureblood]

3 hours ago, TK421 said:

Extending article 50 will give us extra time for stockpiling.

I forgot to add the word "fries" to this post.

[Numero Veinticinco]

4 hours ago, Mudface said:

391-242. Surely her position is untenable now.

I'm not sure if this is a post from tonight, or from the numerous other times her position has been untenable. 

 

She's tenabling the fuck out of the job. 

[skend04]

87% of tariffs to be slashed to zero in a no deal scenario. Goodbye farming and manufacturing and best thing, Fox will be out of a job as there'll be no need for trade deals.

[Trumo]

12 hours ago, TK421 said:

Extending article 50 will give us extra time for stockpiling fries.

 

True.

[Rico1304]

Car imports 10-22%.  Something about the German car industry not allowing it. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/no-deal-brexit-tariffs-government-northern-ireland-border-jobs-cbi-a8820341.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2B11QmGuG4ntWmxe3cTuNXjZa_1vVsWF7PxCdtFc4ROLCk67-PK8gqY_Q#Echobox=1552463683

 

Any MP who votes for this deserves a sledgehammer to the bollocks or minge.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Hammond is coming back to the House to try to bribe MPs to accept a deal that was dead before Christmas.