Why have we never been bought by billionaire?

[magicrat]

Personally I am past caring who owns the club I just want us to win things, If FSG are just miking a cash cow they can fuck off , Sell up and take your profit and let someone with a bit more ambition and the sense to employ a few people that know something about how the transfer markets work take a shot,  

[an tha]

Aside from the obvious banter between fans, and a handful of utter morons that every fan base has, I don't think City fans are rubbing noses in it. I think they're still just happy to have a taste of winning things, although it's also worrying how quickly fans get used to it, and become bitter losers too. I've noticed that myself amongst a few City fans, and guess it's just how it works with any fan base that gets a taste of winning.... it gets a lot harder to cope without it.

 

 

You're absolutely right about the state of the game though. But football wanted this! that's the irony. When the game was in a trouble for other reasons, we wanted the TV money, there was a huge squabble over which clubs deserved the lion's share of the TV money. PL was formed and it ended up being more successful (commercially) than almost anybody would have imagined. All the sponsorship we craved arrived. All the money we wanted arrived....

 

But being lousy businesses (in general), clubs tossed the money away (as they always had done) and found themselves in a much larger business pool, with much richer businessmen. They got into be with corporate culture, and now we're consumed by them.

 

We are no longer big football clubs, with a small corporate back end... we're large corporations with a small football front end.

Agreed. As far as the rubbing noses in it goes, it's a generalisation, but in all honesty there is nothing wrong with it, it's part of banter and rivalry, we gloated for years about our success, and still do glory in reminding the likes of arsenal they haven't won a European cup, the bitters that they've won fuck all for twenty years.....it's football, just the same as your mob took delight in reminding us we nearly won the league last year.

 

It's all fair game and if that dies then there truly will be fuck all left in footy.

 

Enjoy your success, take the piss, gloat, enjoy the banter, enjoy seeing the club lift trophies because when it goes you realise how special it was.

 

The only mongs I take issue with are the gobshites who just troll on forums and twatter gaining more joy out of others failure than their own team winning, part of the shiteness of the modern world and game. I post on a couple of other non footy forums that have busy sport sections and it's laughable some of the shite that gets posted.

[Nightcat]

Why have we never been baught by a billionaire.

 

I'll tell you fucking why so you shut the fuck up.

 

Because, unlike Chelsea or City and whatever their creative accountants show, Liverpool is a club that actually makes money and therefore, just like Arsenal and ManUTD has been targeted by loan sharks, Hedge funds and investors who want to milk the cash cow.

 

In addition, the corrupt establishment of your tiny sad country south of Scotland, would not want a club with socialist roots to get a real investor who can capitalise on its fanbase and recreate the Red Dynasty of the past. They do not want that for more than social class, political rand competition reasons.

[FanchesterCity]

It's nice to be able to discuss this stuff sensibly though, makes a change from some of the crap spouted on other forums (and sometimes on here!).

 

It's not like I'm responsible for City, or you're responsible for Liverpool, we're just spectators to it all really.

 

For the moment, it's pretty good for us, but that can change. Despite all the money, we're still not going to have it all our own way. Players will still prefer Real / Bayern / Barca over us, and arguably will still fancy London over Manchester. United aren't going away anytime soon, neither are Chelsea, and Arsenal could be a serious threat now they seem willing to spend a bit more. We're just in a 'competitive' position now rather than a dominant one. It's cost literally hundreds of millions to get that far. One the one hand, it might sicken some other fans how much we've spent (and wasted in the process), but on the other hand we're an illustration of just how much it might cost to maintain a presence in the top 4. Other owners much look on and think 'bloody hell, why should I risk 500m+ just to have a hope, when I can spend far less and take my chances on getting lucky instead?'

 

Already we've seen United halt the rot, but it's cost 150m, and will likely cost another 150m in the summer. That's 300m quid in a year. That's more than most clubs are worth.

 

If UEFA are serious about FFP, it has to take a much wider view than the likes of City/Chelsea/PSG. The problem is far bigger than that. Sadly it's not serious at all, it's only serious about making sure the money keeps flowing in, and the major political players in the game are kept sweet.

 

Nobody's in much doubt about how bent FIFA is. I struggle to believe UEFA is much better.

I AM biased as a City fan, I know that, but honestly, I don't believe UEFA care about Norwich City. FFP is about looking after the interests of the biggest clubs, not of all clubs. 

[FanchesterCity]

Why have we never been baught by a billionaire.

 

I'll tell you fucking why so you shut the fuck up.

 

Because, unlike Chelsea or City and whatever their creative accountants show, Liverpool is a club that actually makes money and therefore, just like Arsenal and ManUTD has been targeted by loan sharks, Hedge funds and investors who want to milk the cash cow.

 

In addition, the corrupt establishment of your tiny sad country south of Scotland, would not want a club with socialist roots to get a real investor who can capitalise on its fanbase and recreate the Red Dynasty of the past. They do not want that for more than social class, political rand competition reasons.

 

The fanbase is not where the money is at these days. It's not been where the money's at for many years. The money's in TV and sponsorship. The fans are basically crowd noise for TV these days. If they could simulate the crowd, they'd do it in an instant.

 

The reason football clubs generally don't attract billionaires is because football clubs are pitifully small businesses in the grand scheme of things, and the profit from a club is equally pitiful. Clubs are of more interest as a marketing vehicle providing that club gets enough (positive) TV exposure. 

 

There was no huge cue of buyers for LFC, because like most clubs, it's just not very profitable at all. There really isn't a big list of buyers waiting to buy football clubs. I don't blame them. And let's not forget, the PL is one of the better examples of commercial viability. Where it not for the TV money, most clubs would be out of business.

[Trumo]

Why have we never been baught by a billionaire.

 

I'll tell you fucking why so you shut the fuck up.

 

Because, unlike Chelsea or City and whatever their creative accountants show, Liverpool is a club that actually makes money and therefore, just like Arsenal and ManUTD has been targeted by loan sharks, Hedge funds and investors who want to milk the cash cow.

 

In addition, the corrupt establishment of your tiny sad country south of Scotland, would not want a club with socialist roots to get a real investor who can capitalise on its fanbase and recreate the Red Dynasty of the past. They do not want that for more than social class, political rand competition reasons.

 

I saw your name and thought you'd post the following:

 

I want to follow a bigger shinier fuck-off yacht full of people with big dicks.

 

[Harry Squatter]

If we has been bought by DIC would they have been that much different to who own us now?. Weren't they an investment company rather than one Sheikh just pouring billions of his own money in for very little financial return?. Don't get me wrong, I still would have taken them over the two utter fucking twats who nearly ruined us. I think they would have made a few signings to make their mark to begin with and dragged us into the 21st century but I don't think they would have just given us unlimited cash like Man City or Chelsea.

[Lee909]

Had DIC bought us my guess is that when they ran into money issues we would have been sold off to another rich Arab consortium or vanity project

[stringvest]

Personally I am past caring who owns the club I just want us to win things, If FSG are just miking a cash cow they can fuck off , Sell up and take your profit and let someone with a bit more ambition and the sense to employ a few people that know something about how the transfer markets work take a shot,  

 

imo: 

 

1.  They're not milking the club.  

2.  There is no-one out there who wants to buy at a price FSG would be willing to see at, otherwise it would have happened.

3.  They have people who understand how the transfer markets work, they just don't have anyone who can pick a player.

[stringvest]

Why have we never been baught by a billionaire.

 

I'll tell you fucking why so you shut the fuck up.

 

In addition, the corrupt establishment of your tiny sad country south of Scotland, would not want a club with socialist roots to get a real investor who can capitalise on its fanbase and recreate the Red Dynasty of the past. They do not want that for more than social class, political rand competition reasons.

 

It's a cracker, that one.  

[magicrat]

imo: 

 

1.  They're not milking the club.  

2.  There is no-one out there who wants to buy at a price FSG would be willing to see at, otherwise it would have happened.

3.  They have people who understand how the transfer markets work, they just don't have anyone who can pick a player.

Our lack of success can only devalue the club so if there are no buyers they expect too much money .Is hanging on to a falling asset smart ?

Their game-plan of mainly investing in youth was ill conceived imo and they don't seem willing or able to attract proven talent to the club.

[ratcatcher]

imo: 

 

1.  They're not milking the club.  

2.  There is no-one out there who wants to buy at a price FSG would be willing to see at, otherwise it would have happened.

3.  They have people who understand how the transfer markets work, they just don't have anyone who can pick a player.

 

1, clearly they arent when they've just given the club £120m interest free to build the Main Stand extension.

2. They arent actively pursuing a sale and there's no one looking to make a speculative bid.

3. picking a player isnt the issue, getting said player of quality who isnt on other club's radar is. Whether people like it or not, we dont have a free run at players any more.

[Dr Nowt]

My name is Nightcat. I have a penis that can be seen from space. I am Scotti...I mean Somalian. I say Somalian rather than Somali because I'm from Scotland. Did I mention my supernaturally large penis?

 

English villagers MP paedos pathetic Ian Ayre tiny penis fake FSG ripping us off pirate ship loaded with Irn Bru and heroin and ginger people yacht moored on the moon with all your club's money on it sad little pathetic country Scotland Scotland dicks like cabers Scotland England small dicks little country little penises villagers nonces villagers paedos villagers Yewtree small penises and all that shit again and again and again.

 

Bye bye.

[magicrat]

My name is Nightcat. I have a penis that can be seen from space. I am Scotti...I mean Somalian. I say Somalian rather than Somali because I'm from Scotland. Did I mention my supernaturally large penis?

 

English villagers MP paedos pathetic Ian Ayre tiny penis fake FSG ripping us off pirate ship loaded with Irn Bru and heroin and ginger people yacht moored on the moon with all your club's money on it sad little pathetic country Scotland Scotland dicks like cabers Scotland England small dicks little country little penises villagers nonces villagers paedos villagers Yewtree small penises and all that shit again and again and again.

 

Bye bye.

 

You only mentioned Ian Ayre once so only 9/10 I'm afraid 

[Jairzinho]

My name is Nightcat. I have a penis that can be seen from space. I am Scotti...I mean Somalian. I say Somalian rather than Somali because I'm from Scotland. Did I mention my supernaturally large penis?

 

English villagers MP paedos pathetic Ian Ayre tiny penis fake FSG ripping us off pirate ship loaded with Irn Bru and heroin and ginger people yacht moored on the moon with all your club's money on it sad little pathetic country Scotland Scotland dicks like cabers Scotland England small dicks little country little penises villagers nonces villagers paedos villagers Yewtree small penises and all that shit again and again and again.

 

Bye bye.

 

Fuck off, Potato.

[Dr Nowt]

Fuck off, Potato.

Haha, what was that potato quote again? something about the bloke who was a woman as well. One of my favourite I've read on here.

[Jairzinho]

Haha, what was that potato quote again? something about the bloke who was a woman as well. One of my favourite I've read on here.

 

Potato and the former woman. Werner and Henry.

[Dr Nowt]

Potato and the former woman. Werner and Henry.

Aye, tremendous.

[Section_31]

My name is Nightcat. I have a penis that can be seen from space. I am Scotti...I mean Somalian. I say Somalian rather than Somali because I'm from Scotland. Did I mention my supernaturally large penis?

 

English villagers MP paedos pathetic Ian Ayre tiny penis fake FSG ripping us off pirate ship loaded with Irn Bru and heroin and ginger people yacht moored on the moon with all your club's money on it sad little pathetic country Scotland Scotland dicks like cabers Scotland England small dicks little country little penises villagers nonces villagers paedos villagers Yewtree small penises and all that shit again and again and again.

 

Bye bye.

I read that in a Barry Manilow Copa Cabana rif.

[xerxes]

Fundamentally, I think it's wrong that the outcome of a sporting contest can be massively influenced by the size of someone's wallet. Football's not alone in this problem, and arguably most sports suffer from it etc

I agree that the paying supporter has become less important in recent years for the elite. But as Arsenal and Man U have shown, it can be significant.

 

My big gripe with the Club is that as the titles have dried up, and honours become less frequent, our fan base as the second best supported club in England of all time has been squandered. We have improved our average attendance the least of all the NW clubs since the PL. Villa build the biggest end in the redeveloped Holte End? No problem. Sunderland build a bigger ground than us for peanuts. The millennium stadium is built with a roof for £120m, and we watch as the world passes by. The Kop was THE defining feature of LFC even before we became world famous. Now people accept a Main Stand and ARE which will be bigger without a murmur.

 

You are right to say that football is now a platform for international businesses and countries. Globally it is now about London/Manchester , Munich, Madrid/ Barcelona, Paris, Milan, Moscow, Istanbul. There is a head of steam building from which there is no going back. New York may well start to feature in that list sooner rather than later with Bejing and Calcutta not that far behind. A world club championship worthy of the name is only a matter of time.

 

There is a saying that the best way to become a millionaire as a football club owner is to start off as a billionaire, and you can see how few want to take on the personal wealth at Chelsea and Man City and the stadium firepower of Man U and Arsenal. There is only one league title and one CL title to be won. It is lower down the leagues at the likes of Bournemouth where you can significantly grow the value of a club.

[Paulie Dangerously]

They wouldn't "get us" and super fans would cry about things not being "the liverpool way" as we bravely finish 6th and win the odd league cup.

[FanchesterCity]

I agree that the paying supporter has become less important in recent years for the elite. But as Arsenal and Man U have shown, it can be significant.

 

My big gripe with the Club is that as the titles have dried up, and honours become less frequent, our fan base as the second best supported club in England of all time has been squandered. We have improved our average attendance the least of all the NW clubs since the PL. Villa build the biggest end in the redeveloped Holte End? No problem. Sunderland build a bigger ground than us for peanuts. The millennium stadium is built with a roof for £120m, and we watch as the world passes by. The Kop was THE defining feature of LFC even before we became world famous. Now people accept a Main Stand and ARE which will be bigger without a murmur.

 

You are right to say that football is now a platform for international businesses and countries. Globally it is now about London/Manchester , Munich, Madrid/ Barcelona, Paris, Milan, Moscow, Istanbul. There is a head of steam building from which there is no going back. New York may well start to feature in that list sooner rather than later with Bejing and Calcutta not that far behind. A world club championship worthy of the name is only a matter of time.

 

There is a saying that the best way to become a millionaire as a football club owner is to start off as a billionaire, and you can see how few want to take on the personal wealth at Chelsea and Man City and the stadium firepower of Man U and Arsenal. There is only one league title and one CL title to be won. It is lower down the leagues at the likes of Bournemouth where you can significantly grow the value of a club.

 

My gut feeling, which will wind up a lot of Liverpool fans is that LFC should have moved out of Anfield as soon as it became obvious that the location was going to hinder stadium development. i.e. New location, new stadium 25 years ago.

 

I can visualise Bill Shankly in my mind coming up with a soundbite about it... but sadly, I'm not sure which soundbite he'd have come up with...

 

"Liverpool isn't sand and cement, the bricks and mortar of this club are the people, just give us grass to play on". But he might equally have quipped "This is Liverpool, our home, it might not be fancy and new, it might not be surrounded by beauty, but it's OUR home, and this is our family, and we have nice neighbours to look after our trophies while we're away in Europe'.

[Total Longo]

I read that in a Barry Manilow Copa Cabana rif.

CopaCabana, but with Holy Bible era Manic Street Preachers cramming in of lyrics. 

[Harry Squatter]

They wouldn't "get us" and super fans would cry about things not being "the liverpool way" as we bravely finish 6th and win the odd league cup.

That sounds like Evertonian behaviour minus the trophy stuff though.

[TheHowieLama]

There are 1,826 billionaires in the world - not one is interested?