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LFC approach Wigan for martinez

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What I was getting at is that compared to their nearest competitors they have a squad built on youth and one that cost very little in the way of transfers.

 

We are not comparing Barcelona to the majority of clubs, but compared to Real, Chelsea, City and United the majority of their squad has cost nothing, so money is more focussed.

 

Although I have slightly lost track of what point I was making with the ensuing hullabuloo!

 

GAH!!!! Accused and blamed for Hullabuloo.

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Barcelona is a good model to learn from:

 

1. Play great football

2. Have a system through the age levels so there is continuity in the coaching

3. Grow your own players

4. Supplement that with buying great talent (because you don't have to spread your money so thin on building a squad, you can buy the likes of Villa, Fabregas etc. as you are bringing other players through to go along with them)

5. Their wages are so high because that is what the players are worth, and I think Spain has a different TV deal which greatly enriches Barcelona and Real Madrid in relation to the other teams in the league

 

* I don't know a lot about the debt they have, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least, given the culture of overspending in football, and given the sort of deals that happen to cook the books (sale of a training ground - Real Madrid; ridiculous sponsorship of a stadium at a rate significantly above fair value - Man City). So if Barcelona are way in debt over their heads, I can only assume they will do something at some point to take care of that.

 

Anyway, there's plenty for us to try to emulate in the Barcelona set up. It won't be exactly alike as we are Liverpool, and we will do things our own way - which doesn't mean we won't learn from others.

 

My view on the manager is that Rafa is the most accomplished realistic target we could recruit, BUT...

 

The owners might not want to go back.

Rafa is not old, but he's not young either. He knows what he is about, and I don't see any director of football, or general manager or whatever we call it, who will be able to tell Rafa a thing or two and be heard. So if Rafa is to come back, the structure the owners might prefer would perhaps not suit Rafa. I see Rafa at his best when he has control of the whole operation, but I don't think the owners want to put all their eggs in one basket like that.

 

So, we will likely get a younger manager, one with a reputation for playing good football, who will fit in to the whole set up. If that is the case my money is on AVB, as he is the most accomplished of this sort of group who we could realistically recruit right now. He has won things already, and so stands a level above Martinez. But, crucially for me, he now has a taste of failure under his belt given what happened at Chelsea - but I honestly think that will make him better in the long run if he learns from it. If it makes him a better man manager, and this is allied with his obvious intelligence and coaching skills, then he will be all the more effective in his next job.

 

Looking at the whole picture, I hope that is with us.

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Barcelona is a good model to learn from:

 

1. Play great football

2. Have a system through the age levels so there is continuity in the coaching

3. Grow your own players

4. Supplement that with buying great talent (because you don't have to spread your money so thin on building a squad, you can buy the likes of Villa, Fabregas etc. as you are bringing other players through to go along with them)

5. Their wages are so high because that is what the players are worth, and I think Spain has a different TV deal which greatly enriches Barcelona and Real Madrid in relation to the other teams in the league

 

* I don't know a lot about the debt they have, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least, given the culture of overspending in football, and given the sort of deals that happen to cook the books (sale of a training ground - Real Madrid; ridiculous sponsorship of a stadium at a rate significantly above fair value - Man City). So if Barcelona are way in debt over their heads, I can only assume they will do something at some point to take care of that.

 

Anyway, there's plenty for us to try to emulate in the Barcelona set up. It won't be exactly alike as we are Liverpool, and we will do things our own way - which doesn't mean we won't learn from others.

 

My view on the manager is that Rafa is the most accomplished realistic target we could recruit, BUT...

 

The owners might not want to go back.

Rafa is not old, but he's not young either. He knows what he is about, and I don't see any director of football, or general manager or whatever we call it, who will be able to tell Rafa a thing or two and be heard. So if Rafa is to come back, the structure the owners might prefer would perhaps not suit Rafa. I see Rafa at his best when he has control of the whole operation, but I don't think the owners want to put all their eggs in one basket like that.

 

So, we will likely get a younger manager, one with a reputation for playing good football, who will fit in to the whole set up. If that is the case my money is on AVB, as he is the most accomplished of this sort of group who we could realistically recruit right now. He has won things already, and so stands a level above Martinez. But, crucially for me, he now has a taste of failure under his belt given what happened at Chelsea - but I honestly think that will make him better in the long run if he learns from it. If it makes him a better man manager, and this is allied with his obvious intelligence and coaching skills, then he will be all the more effective in his next job.

 

Looking at the whole picture, I hope that is with us.

 

Couldn't agree more with this.

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It cant be Martinez, surely. I just can't see it happening, you can't look at anything he's done and say there's even a chance he might be good enough for Liverpool.

 

There will be plenty lining up to tell you precisely that.

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A darn sight more than Martinez has done.

 

surely its more about what they will do than what they have done?

 

as long as they are getting advice from football people and not going of media/fan views its worth waiting to see how they do imo

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