Israel president Shimon Peres accuses Britain of pro-Arab bias

[Spy Bee]

I tuned in last night for the first time mate and I agree with you.  I kept switching between that and CNN and you would think that two different conflicts were being reported, and that it wasn't RT that was biased.  CNN were a fucking disgrace

I've been watching it since early this year, I still watch some BBC and Sky and also France Today. I keep meaning to watch a bit more Al Jazeera, but there are only so many hours in the day.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I've been watching it since early this year, I still watch some BBC and Sky and also France Today. I keep meaning to watch a bit more Al Jazeera, but there are only so many hours in the day.

I think Al Jazeera is a bit skewed the other way. France Today is good.

 

I actually saw a woman on CNN the other day, proper ripping into an IDF mouthpiece. She was surprisingly ruthless. Can't remember her name now though.

[Spy Bee]

I've just seen Regev's interview on plus 1.

 

Oh my goodness. It's cringeworthy.

 

http://www.channel4.com/news/gaza-attack-we-were-striking-a-legitimate-target-video

CH4 going quite hard there. I suppose now that the UN has spoken out the media will follow to some extent so as not to appear too biased.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

CH4 going quite hard there. I suppose now that the UN has spoken out the media will follow to some extent so as not to appear too biased.

You can tell the interviewer has had enough at one point and just wants to say "c'mon mate, do you really expect us to believe this shite?"

[Section_31]

Have you ever watched it? I'd argue that it is less partisan than the BBC by a street.

Yeah I watch RT now and then as a rule, it's good craic for some stuff but clearly shamelessly agenda driven, I wouldn't take it as a news source for any situation where America is seen as the proxy antagonist, just as I wouldn't take Fox News's. I eagerly await the upcoming RT report on the East Ukrainian freedom fighters and their charity panda sanctuary.

[Spy Bee]

Fair enough, I really don't see it as that skewed. 

[Malarkey]

That Regev interview was so cringeworthy.

 

"You need to make that clear to your viewers"

 

Get to fuck. Don't insult our intelligence you arrogant cunt.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/concentrate-and-exterminate-israel-parliament-deputy-speakers-gaza-genocide-plan

 

“Concentrate” and “exterminate”: Israel parliament deputy speaker’s Gaza genocide plan

Submitted by Ali Abunimah on Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:31

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A Palestinian man tends to the bodies of four Palestinians killed in Israeli bombardment in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip, 2 August. (Eyad Al Baba / APA images)

Moshe Feiglin, the deputy speaker of the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, has published a plan for the total destruction of the Palestinian people in Gaza.

 

His detailed plan, which calls for the use of concentration camps, amounts to direct and public incitement to genocide – a punishable crime under the Genocide Convention.

 

In a 1 August posting on his Facebook page, Feiglin, a member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party, calls for the “conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters.”

 

“This is our country – our country exclusively,” he writes, “including Gaza.”

 

Feiglin’s posting is the text of a letter he addressed to Netanyahu.

 

Citizens and public authorities around the world should attempt to have Feiglin arrested and prosecuted under the Genocide Convention for his statements, should he set foot in their territories.

 

His abominable plan comes as the death toll from Israel’s ongoing slaughter in Gaza reaches 1,752 people, including ten persons killed on Sunday morning when Israel once again bombed a United Nations-run school being used as a shelter, this time in the southern town of Rafah.

 

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Moshe Feiglin (David Rabkin/Wikimedia Commons)

Feiglin, like his Knesset colleague Ayelet Shaked, has previously made genocidal statements, but these are perhaps his most specific and explicit.

 

Calling for mass extermination and ethnic cleansing, Feiglin now urges Netanyahu to “turn Gaza into Jaffa, a flourishing Israeli city with a minimum number of hostile civilians.”

 

Jaffa is a major Palestinian coastal city that was ethnically cleansed by Zionist militias in 1948 and incorporated into present-day Israel. The few thousand Palestinians who remain in the city face ongoing attempts to force them out.

 

As of this writing, Feiglin’s Facebook post had more than eight thousand “Likes” and had been shared almost two thousand times.

 

“Concentrate” and “exterminate”

 

Feiglin writes that the Israeli army must “designate certain open areas on the Sinai border, adjacent to the sea, in which the civilian population will be concentrated, far from the built-up areas that are used for launches and tunneling. In these areas, tent encampments will be established, until relevant emigration destinations are determined.”

 

“Tent encampments,” where the Palestinian civilian population would be “concentrated,” are simply concentration camps.

 

“The supply of electricity and water to the formerly populated areas will be disconnected,” he adds.

 

He then calls for the “formerly populated areas” to be “shelled with maximum fire power. The entire civilian and military infrastructure of Hamas, its means of communication and of logistics, will be destroyed entirely, down to their foundations.”

 

The Israeli army would then “exterminate nests of resistance, in the event that any should remain.”

 

Expulsion

 

“Israel will start searching for emigration destinations and quotas for the refugees from Gaza,” Feiglin writes, but “those who insist on staying, if they can be proven to have no affiliation with Hamas, will be required to publicly sign a declaration of loyalty to Israel, and receive a blue ID card similar to that of the Arabs of East Jerusalem.”

 

Feiglin’s statements are crimes

 

The Genocide Convention defines genocide as any of a number acts “committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.”

 

These acts are:

 

Killing members of the group;

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Feiglin’s plan has clear genocidal intent in at least two respects: he denies that the Palestinian people exist and he defines Palestinians collectively as an enemy and target because of their religion:

 

“There are no two states, and there are no two peoples. There is only one state for one people.”

 

“The strategic enemy is extremist Arab Islam in all its varieties, from Iran to Gaza, which seeks to annihilate Israel in its entirety.”

 

In addition to outright acts of genocide, punishable crimes under the convention include “direct and public incitement to commit genocide”; “conspiracy to commit genocide” and “complicity in genocide.”

 

Any fair-minded prosecutor would see that Feiglin’s statements provide ample probable cause for action under the convention.

 

State parties to the Genocide Convention are obligated to punish crimes under the Genocide Convention in their domestic courts.

 

Citizens around the world should seek to have Feiglin and any other Israeli leaders who commit genocidal acts arrested and sent for trial by using whatever legal mechanisms are available, including notifying law enforcement and immigration authorities of such genocidal statements.

 

Full translation of Feiglin’s statement

 

Feiglin’s Facebook page is verifiable as his because it is linked from his official page on the Knesset website.

 

Here is Feiglin’s 1 August statement on Facebook, translated in full by Dena Shunra:

 

With God’s Help

 

Attention

 

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

 

Mr. Prime Minister,

 

We have just heard that Hamas has used the ceasefire to abduct an officer. It turns out that this operation is not about to be over any too soon.

 

The failures of this operation were inherent to it from the outset, because:

 

a) It has no proper and clear goal;

b) there is no appropriate moral framework to support our soldiers.

 

What is required now is that we internalize the fact that Oslo is finished, that this is our country – our country exclusively, including Gaza.

 

There are no two states, and there are no two peoples. There is only one state for one people.

 

Having internalized this, what is needed is a deep and thorough strategic review, in terms of the definition of the enemy, of the operational tasks, of the strategic goals, and of course, of appropriate necessary war ethics.

 

(1) Defining the enemy:

 

The strategic enemy is extremist Arab Islam in all its varieties, from Iran to Gaza, which seeks to annihilate Israel in its entirety. The immediate enemy is Hamas. (Not the tunnels, not the rockets, but Hamas.)

 

(2) Defining the tasks

 

Conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters.

 

(3) Defining the strategic goal:

 

To turn Gaza into Jaffa, a flourishing Israeli city with a minimum number of hostile civilians.

 

(4) Defining war ethics: “Woe to the evildoer, and woe to his neighbor”

 

In light of these four points, Israel must do the following:

 

a) The IDF [israeli army] shall designate certain open areas on the Sinai border, adjacent to the sea, in which the civilian population will be concentrated, far from the built-up areas that are used for launches and tunneling. In these areas, tent encampments will be established, until relevant emigration destinations are determined.

 

The supply of electricity and water to the formerly populated areas will be disconnected.

 

b) The formerly populated areas will be shelled with maximum fire power. The entire civilian and military infrastructure of Hamas, its means of communication and of logistics, will be destroyed entirely, down to their foundations.

 

c) The IDF will divide the Gaza Strip laterally and crosswise, significantly expand the corridors, occupy commanding positions, and exterminate nests of resistance, in the event that any should remain.

 

d) Israel will start searching for emigration destinations and quotas for the refugees from Gaza. Those who wish to emigrate will be given a generous economic support package, and will arrive at the receiving countries with considerable economic capabilities.

 

e) Those who insist on staying, if they can be proven to have no affiliation with Hamas, will be required to publicly sign a declaration of loyalty to Israel, and receive a blue ID card similar to that of the Arabs of East Jerusalem.

 

f) When the fighting will end, Israeli law will be extended to cover the entire Gaza Strip, the people evicted from the Gush Katif will be invited to return to their settlements, and the city of Gaza and its suburbs will be rebuilt as true Israeli touristic and commercial cities.

 

Mr. Prime Minister,

 

This is the a fateful hour of decision in the history of the State of Israel.

 

All metastases of our enemy, from Iran and Hizballah through ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood, are rubbing their hands gleefully and preparing themselves for the next round.

 

I am warning that any outcome that is less than what I defined here means encouraging the continued offensive against Israel. Only when Hizballah will understand how we have dealt with Hamas in the south, it will refrain from launching its 100,000 missiles from the north.

 

I call on you to adopt the strategy proposed here.

 

I have no doubt that the entire Israeli people will stand to your right with its overwhelming majority, like myself – if only you will adopt it.

 

With high regards, respectfully,

 

Moshe Feiglin

[Phoenix]

I've just seen Regev's interview on plus 1.

 

Oh my goodness. It's cringeworthy.

 

http://www.channel4.com/news/gaza-attack-we-were-striking-a-legitimate-target-video

 

 

Deny Deny Deny, blame someone else and not comment until investigation complete when the media have forgotten about it. Standard Israeli response.

[Spy Bee]

An amazing tweet from the Official Israel Foreign Ministry

 

Israel Foreign Min.Verified account‏@IsraelMFA

Jews rejected child sacrifice 3,500 years ago. Now it's Hamas' turn. http://www.algemeiner.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Elie-Wiesel-Hamas-Child-Sacrifice.pdf … #Gaza #SaveGazaFromHamas

[Section_31]

Tweets by a fucking rampaging foreign ministry, god I miss the 90s.

[dennis tooth]

The anti simitic thing is total bollocks, it's bordering on 'is it cos I was black'.

 

The fact it's even got its own special word rather than just 'racism' is bollocks too, it probably had a meaning decades and centuries ago when Jews were spread all over the world and often demonized, but now it's often just something to throw at people who disagree with what Israel has done.

 

I've genuinely, hand on heart, never met anyone who had anything at all to say about Jewish people. Arabs? Yes, all the time, black people? Yes, you still hear that, but anti Jewish sentiment is probably the least likely you'll ever hear in a pub or a workplace. It's all a bit, well,1800s.

 

In fact this country has done a hell of a lot for Jewish people, especially with things like Kindertransport, where thousands of Jewish children were brought here to safety from Nazi Germany and Austria, rehoused and rehomed.

 

 

Its not only that but the Isrealis have raped the very word.

 

Semite

 

Semite (ˈsiːmaɪt) or less commonly Shemite

n

1. (Peoples) a member of the group of Caucasoid peoples who speak a Semitic language, including the Jews and Arabsas well as the ancient Babylonians, Assyrians, and Phoenicians

[Strontium]

Well we know, for a fact, that the thinking was to support the more aggressive and violent branch of the Palestinians to undermine the less violent and less militant branch. 

 

I'm asking you how you factor that into your opinion on Israel really wanting to deal with a peaceful and progressive Palestinian face and not desiring a more militant environment.  What logical gymnastics are you doing to come to your opinion? You clearly have a different view to what that "misguided thinking" was to me and I'm asking you what it is.

Now Stu. I said that Israel would ideally want peace, that is quite a different thing from saying that Israel wants a peaceful and progressive Palestinian face to deal with.

 

Fatah, of course, are not a peaceful and progressive face either (much less so back then, at least) so that in itself is something of a straw man.

 

As you accept, the brief limited initial support for Hamas was designed to weaken Israel's enemy, Fatah, and a weak enemy is easier to deal with than a strong one. Straight out of Sun Tzu's playbook.

 

I'm not defending Israel's decision, just explaining it, although dispassionate and neutral explanation of the facts hasn't stopped me being negged numerous times in this thread already, so I guess I'm the fool for even replying to you.

 

I would say that if Israel was as dead set against peace as you claim, it would not have handed the Sinai peninsula, an oil-rich area larger than Israel itself, back to the Egyptians in exchange for nothing more than peace with Egypt, a peace that has lasted to this day.

[dennis tooth]

Not all claims are equal, of course. And Israel is a land rooted in secular Jewish identity, not religion.

 

By the bye, would you happen to know what rights are denied to non-Jewish citizens of Israel?

 

Ey? Are you actually talking with me, I thought you dont talk to terrorists?

I might as well go through the contorted throes of textual intimacy with you. 

 

Not all claims are equal? What is that supposed to mean? None of the claims are valid to create a state for one religion cos thats never really worked anywhere democratic.

 

Sorry, the second sentence fails all the way here, its starts with the word 'AND' and went downhill from there.

 

I will get to the rest of it as its just total nonsense any way I look at it, perhaps you could rephrase as 'A land' is not Isreal, Isreal is a country. A country that was created not long after world war 2.  The land we are referring to are the areas that are considered in respect to any religion having claims upon which. No religion deserves any land of its own, do you not understand the basic conflagration with democracy?

 

You know very well a Jew from any country can move to Israel but a Palestinian refugee, with a valid claim to property in Israel cannot.

The Jewish National Fund stipulates that only Jews can buy, mortgage or lease JNF land. 

Oh whats is that pesky giveaway star on the flag about?

"By a wafer-thin majority, the highest court in the land ruled that an amendment passed in 2003 to the Nationality Law barring Palestinians from living with an Israeli spouse inside Israel — what in legal parlance is termed “family unification” — did not violate rights enshrined in the country’s Basic Laws."

 

The municipality of Petah Tikva has also announced an initiative to providing a telephone hotline for friends and family to report Jewish girls who date Arab men as well as psychologists to provide counselling. 

 The city of Kiryat Gat launched a campaign in schools to warn Jewish girls against dating local Bedouin men.

A second class education is normal if you arent Jewish.

"A Jewish and Democratic State" is the Israeli legal definition of the nature and character of the State of Israel. 

In 1975, the United Nations General Assembly passed Resolution 3379, which concluded that "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination."

As someone who claims to be bearing a soft spot for zionism I think I should take your claim of 'not all claims on that land being equal' with a skip of salt. It is not for a baby killing genocide cheerleader who shouts at me that a land is for a particular religion to comment upon really is it? Hence me not asking for your Jewish baby killing spectacle bigoted opining pon my page.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Go 'ed, Dennis lad!

[dennis tooth]

Now Stu. I said that Israel would ideally want peace, that is quite a different thing from saying that Israel wants a peaceful and progressive Palestinian face to deal with.

 

Fatah, of course, are not a peaceful and progressive face either (much less so back then, at least) so that in itself is something of a straw man.

 

As you accept, the brief limited initial support for Hamas was designed to weaken Israel's enemy, Fatah, and a weak enemy is easier to deal with than a strong one. Straight out of Sun Tzu's playbook.

 

I'm not defending Israel's decision, just explaining it, although dispassionate and neutral explanation of the facts hasn't stopped me being negged numerous times in this thread already, so I guess I'm the fool for even replying to you.

 

I would say that if Israel was as dead set against peace as you claim, it would not have handed the Sinai peninsula, an oil-rich area larger than Israel itself, back to the Egyptians in exchange for nothing more than peace with Egypt, a peace that has lasted to this day.

 

Are you saying the IDF, Netanyahu etc are peaceful and progressive?

 

Why are you defending the baby rapists in the IDF? Again.

[dennis tooth]

So a bullet with a swastika carved in it and sent to a Jewish councillor isn't anti-semitic?

 

Someone calling me a Jew cunt over the phone and threatening to get me stabbed isn't anti-semitic?

 

Don't you fucking dare try to play this shit down. You don't get to define what is and isn't anti-semitic.

 

Ok,do you think, Arabs or Jews are subjected to more racism? In this country, based on your experience?

Dont you dare fucking play this Arab racism shit down! You dont get to define what is and isnt anti semitic, well semites are arabs also, so you dont get to define it either, even when you try.

[dennis tooth]

I didn't say that Jews are a race, although they obviously have a common heritage that Muslims dont have, of course.

 

This doesn't mean that people can't make racist statements about either.

 

However, "Muslims" are united by their religion, and "Jews" by their ancestry.

 

Hey dickhed heres a good joke, whats the diff between an anti semite and a racist?

 

There isnt, just call it racism you soft cock handler, as then you might avoid a basic problem when using the word as if you look close enough, people, even Isreal supporters or cocksuckers such as yourself who use the term 'anti semite' are actually making a racist distinction and are decrying a form of racism by applying racist thinking to it. Its quite a feat of mental athleticism to apply such doublespeak distinctive to the people variable element.

 

So clearly your a racist but not an anti semite, except you are anti semitic when it refers to arabs who are also semites so depending if you use or change the meaning of the word you at the very least and all others who ever use the word anti semite are as racist as south africans on a coon bashing hunt. Unless you use the words to form a backward moral meaning as I have done with the word coon here and having been banned before feel the need to qualify it for posterity. Im a much humbler man now. Ive changed and now use a dyson airblade in place of a paper towel, maybe we can too.

 

[Dougie Do'ins]

Lifted from another forum where it seems to be causing a bit of a stir.

 

[Nunavut Patrick]

Dyson airblade rules.

[Anubis]

Access all areas. Including the fair and balanced BBC Middle East Bureau.

[ZonkoVille77]

Dennis tooth is Russell Brand's protégé. Or possibly him.

 

Either way, the cunt behind the keyboard is admirable.

 

~cunt being a friendly term.

[Nunavut Patrick]

Lifted from another forum where it seems to be causing a bit of a stir.

 

For £15you can sponsor an Israeli soldier care package.

 

Comes with maps of UN schools in Gaza.

[Anubis]

Dyson airblade rules.

 

The Israeli Defence Force ordered 20,000 of them only to realise, when they arrived, that the airblade wasn't a weapon.

[Strontium]

Dennis Tooth. What a worthless piece of verminous excrement, and a lying racist pillock to boot.

 

Addressed none of my points with anything but abuse. He is the most ignorant person on Planet Earth, and he's up against some stiff competition.

 

Go join Hamas, Dennis. They'd love someone like you, you Jew-hating misogynist Nazi.