Coronavirus

[Davelfc]

4 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

It's doubling, it is not becoming more and more rapid. 

 

I'm really not Stig. Just because two things happen, does not mean that one thing caused the other. 

 

Ice cream does not cause sunburn!

 

Obviously when there are correlations of things that could be associated, it requires greater investigation. I do agree that jumping to conclusions based on a correlation can be quite dangerous. 

 

Maybe we should ban cheese just to be safe though, but only that plastic crap cheese that isn't really cheese. 

[Spy Bee]

5 minutes ago, Fluter in Dakota said:

Are you saying that wearing masks is causing the spikes when most people aren't wearing them? 

[Bjornebye]

7 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

I'm really not Stig. Just because two things happen, does not mean that one thing caused the other. 

 

Ice cream does not cause sunburn!

Oh right. Makes no sense. 

 

And that last line proves you are absolutely rambling. Have you been up all night mixing coffee and pernod ? 

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Oh right. Makes no sense. 

 

And that last line proves you are absolutely rambling. Have you been up all night mixing coffee and pernod ? 

You're pretty thick at times.

[Bjornebye]

46 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I wish people weren't horrible selfish cunts. 

 

Japan - Twice the UK population. 1500 deaths. Why? Abiding by the rules, using common sense, mindful of others and wearing fucking masks! 

 

UK - "I'm alright jack!" , VE Day Congas, Pubs open 'chaaarge!', The Flu is worse! 

 

28 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Correlation is not causation.

 

 

17 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

You are clutching at straws and rambling like an old man now Spy Bee. 

 

14 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

I'm really not Stig. Just because two things happen, does not mean that one thing caused the other. 

 

Ice cream does not cause sunburn!

 

7 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Oh right. Makes no sense. 

 

And that last line proves you are absolutely rambling. Have you been up all night mixing coffee and pernod ? 

 

5 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

You're pretty thick at times.

Hahahahaha 

[Spy Bee]

I've tried to explain it nicely, but you're either deliberately ignoring the point I am getting, or you are incapable of understanding quite simple concepts. My patience is exhaustible. 

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Spy Bee said:

I've tried to explain it nicely, but you're either deliberately ignoring the point I am getting, or you are incapable of understanding quite simple concepts. My patience is exhaustible. 

Explain "correlation is not causation" and "ice-cream doesn't cause sunburn" as a response to my Japan example? 

 

You are nothing but a toilet graffiti philosopher SpyBee. Fuck your patience. Put a mask on and stop licking hand rails. 

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Explain "correlation is not causation" and "ice-cream doesn't cause sunburn" as a response to my Japan example? 

 

You are nothing but a toilet graffiti philosopher SpyBee. Fuck your patience. Put a mask on and stop licking hand rails. 

There are literally millions of variables at play here. To suggest that cases are lower in Japan simply because they have more common sense, are mindful of others and wear masks, is quite literally retarded.

[Bjornebye]

8 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

There are literally millions of variables at play here. To suggest that cases are lower in Japan simply because they have more common sense, are mindful of others and wear masks, is quite literally retarded.

Wow. 

 

Ok why do you think they have such a low death rate compared to us? 

 

Nice flippant use of the word 'retarded' by the way. 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, elvis said:

They're also a very healthy population , a healthy heart and cardiovascular system goes a long way in surviving Corona virus . 

Off topic but why the fuck did Japanese kamikaze pilots bother wearing safety helmets?

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Gnasher said:

Off topic but why the fuck did Japanese kamikaze pilots wear safety  helmets?

They didn't did they? Thought they had them boss bandanas on

[Colonel Bumcunt]

I remember the school having a wanky bit of software like this back in 1993, told me I should join the Army.  

This new one is just the old one, and it's still wank, and ludicrous. 

 

https://nationalcareers.service.gov.uk/skills-assessment

[Davelfc]

Does Japan have special immunity? 

Tokyo University professor Tatsuhiko Kodama - who studies how Japanese patients react to the virus - believes Japan may have had Covid before. Not Covid-19, but something similar that could have left behind "historical immunity". 

This is how he explains it: When a virus enters the human body, the immune system produces antibodies that attack the invading pathogen. 

 

There are two types of antibody - IGM and IGG. How they respond can show whether someone has been exposed to the virus before, or something similar. 

"In a primary (novel) viral infection the IGM response usually comes first," he tells me. "Then the IGG response appears later. But in secondary cases (previous exposure) the lymphocyte already has memory, and so only the IGG response increases rapidly."

 

So, what happened with his patients? 

"When we looked at the tests we were astonished... in all patients the IGG response came quickly, and the IGM response was later and weak. It looked like they had been previously exposed to a very similar virus." 

He thinks it is possible a Sars-like virus has circulated in the region before, which may account for the low death rate, not just in Japan, but in much of China, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and South East Asia.

 

This has been met with some scepticism. 

"I am not sure how such a virus could be restricted to Asia," says Professor Kenji Shibuya, director of Public Health at Kings College, London and a former senior adviser to the government. 

Professor Shibuya does not discount the possibility of regional differences in immunity or genetic susceptibility to Covid. But he is suspicious of the idea of a "Factor X" that explains the mortality differences. 

He thinks countries that have done well in the fight against Covid, have done so for the same reason - they succeeded in dramatically reducing transmission.

 

Japanese people began wearing face masks more than 100 years ago during the 1919 flu pandemic and they've never really stopped. If you get a cough or a cold here it is expected that you will don a mask to protect those around you. 

"I think it (a mask) acts as a physical barrier. But it also serves as a reminder to everybody to be mindful. That we still have to be careful around each other," says Keiji Fukuda, an influenza specialist and director of the School of Public Health at Hong Kong University.

 

Japan's track and trace system also goes back to the 1950s when it battled a wave of tuberculosis. The government set up a nationwide network of public health centres to identify new infections and report them to the health ministry. 

If community transmission is suspected, a specialist team is dispatched to track the infections, relying on meticulous human contact tracing and isolation.

 

Japan discovered the Three Cs early

Japan also discovered two significant patterns early in the pandemic. 

Dr Kazuaki Jindai, a medical researcher at Kyoto university and member of the cluster-suppression taskforce, said data showed over a third of infections originated in very similar places. 

"Our figures... showed many infected people had visited music venues where there is screaming and singing... we knew that those were the places people needed to avoid."

 

The team identified "heavy breathing in close proximity" including "singing at karaoke parlours, parties, cheering at clubs, conversations in bars and exercising in gyms" as the highest-risk activities. 

Second, the team found that the infection's spread was down to a small percentage of those carrying the virus. 

An early study found around 80% of those with Sars-CoV-2 did not infect others - while 20% were highly infectious.

 

Timing, timing

Professor Kenji Shibuya thinks the lessons from Japan are not so different from elsewhere: "To me, it was a timing lesson."

 

The government asked, people listened 

To go back to Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's boast of the "Japan Model" - is there a lesson to be learned?

 

Japan asked people to take care, stay away from crowded places, wear masks and wash their hands - and by and large, that is exactly what most people have done.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53188847

[Rico1304]

49 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

It's doubling, it is not becoming more and more rapid. 

 

I'm really not Stig. Just because two things happen, does not mean that one thing caused the other. 

 

Ice cream does not cause sunburn!

It’s not one thing though is it? It’s a series of things including culture.  

[littletedwest]

6 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

I remember the school having a wanky bit of software like this back in 1993, told me I should join the Army.  

This new one is just the old one, and it's still wank, and ludicrous. 

 

https://nationalcareers.service.gov.uk/skills-assessment

Well you did rise to colonel 

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Jedd Drudge said:

 

 

The government asked, people listened 

To go back to Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's boast of the "Japan Model" - is there a lesson to be learned?

 

Japan asked people to take care, stay away from crowded places, wear masks and wash their hands - and by and large, that is exactly what most people have done.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53188847

 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, littletedwest said:

Well you did rise to colonel 

Hahaha

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, Spy Bee said:

Correlation is not causation.

 

Don't you love how every argument supports a preconceived notion.

 

"Infections fell even though masks weren't mandatory" - oh, that's because loads of people were wearing them anyway

 

"Infections are rising even though everyone has to wear masks" - oh, that's because loads of selfish people aren't wearing them

 

Like trying to nail jelly to the wall.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

 

Don't you love how every argument supports a preconceived notion.

 

"Infections fell even though masks weren't mandatory" - oh, that's because loads of people were wearing them anyway

 

"Infections are rising even though everyone has to wear masks" - oh, that's because loads of selfish people aren't wearing them

 

Like trying to nail jelly to the wall.

Nothing like ignoring previous posts though eh SD. 

 

Like trying to catch a coked-up chicken thats been smothered in vaseline and had a rocket shoved up its arse. 

[Bjornebye]

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[cloggypop]

23 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Nothing like ignoring previous posts though eh SD. 

 

Like trying to catch a coked-up chicken thats been smothered in vaseline and had a rocket shoved up its arse. 

What are you planning on doing with it once you catch it? 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

What are you planning on doing with it once you catch it? 

Shag it obviously. I'm not some sort of weirdo. 

[Spy Bee]

 

Bit of a debate here. What I don't get is why people are still using seroprevalence studies to inform statistics on the level of exposure to the virus. There are now numerous studies showing the importance of T-Cell Immuno-response, and that it just completely ignored when only considering seroprevalence data.

[Section_31]

Is that Oakenhead? She's  my guilt shag her.

[Bjornebye]

16 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Bit of a debate here. What I don't get is why people are still using seroprevalence studies to inform statistics on the level of exposure to the virus. There are now numerous studies showing the importance of T-Cell Immuno-response, and that it just completely ignored when only considering seroprevalence data.

Like you have about Japan.