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Technically all land in the UK is ultimately owned by the Crown But land held in freehold has in the past been the subject of a grant by the Crown of the right to use it absolutely in perpetuity.  Think of it as a lease which can never be brought to an end.  

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7 minutes ago, aws said:

Technically all land in the UK is ultimately owned by the Crown But land held in freehold has in the past been the subject of a grant by the Crown of the right to use it absolutely in perpetuity.  Think of it as a lease which can never be brought to an end.  

What if it's in the way of something like HS2 ? 

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15 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

What if it's in the way of something like HS2 ? 

 

As Orwell might have put it, some perpetuities are more perpetual than others.

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48 minutes ago, A Red said:

The problem with evidence is that the source is open to "who the fuck are they?" or "well they would say that" etc

 

Heres an example where you can say that

 

https://www.highlandtitles.com/blog/this-land-aint-your-land-part-1/

Here's part two of that.

 

https://www.highlandtitles.com/blog/this-land-aint-your-land-part-2/

 

 

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49 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

What if it's in the way of something like HS2 ? 

I think the deal with Compulsory Purchase Orders is that the state (or whoever) can force you to sell but  they can't just take your land, or decide to use it, without paying you a fair price.

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20 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

 

The Duke of Westminster (133,000 acres) owes his massive fortune to a Norman ancestor, Hugh De Gras Veneur, who forcibly seized land during the Norman Conquest of 1066.

 

Grosvenor Square.  Bloody French.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

What if it's in the way of something like HS2 ? 

It still doesn’t come to an end it’s just transferred compulsorily to someone else. 

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18 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I think the deal with Compulsory Purchase Orders is that the state (or whoever) can force you to sell but  they can't just take your land, or decide to use it, without paying you a fair price.

I get that but the point I'm trying to make is you've got no choice in the matter either way. What if you don't want to sell no matter how fair the price ? 

 

If you were to turn up at my house and take my car without my consent but leave £5k on my drive as payment which would be way more than the true value of my car, you would (i imagine) have stolen my car in the eyes of the law.

 

Isn't having a CPO forced on me effectively the same thing ?

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Just now, Dougie Do'ins said:

 

Isn't having a CPO forced on me effectively the same thing ?

No, because when you purchased the property you agreed to that stipulation. When you purchased the car you did not.

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1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

No, because when you purchased the property you agreed to that stipulation. When you purchased the car you did not.

Did I ? I honestly don't know. Is this written into the terms of a mortgage or within deeds of the property ?

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8 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Did I ? I honestly don't know. Is this written into the terms of a mortgage or within deeds of the property ?

In the States it is a law -- not sure in the UK but it seems it is part and parcel of the deed.

 

Edit -- nope I'm wrong.  Looks like these were Acts passed by Parliament - most recently amended in 04

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16 minutes ago, polymerpunkah said:

Antarctica?

 

I'm surprised Trump hasn't laid claim to it already.

 

 

Didn't Trump once call Cambridge Analytica , Cambridge Antartica? I might have completely made that up but he probably did. 

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2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I think the deal with Compulsory Purchase Orders is that the state (or whoever) can force you to sell but  they can't just take your land, or decide to use it, without paying you a fair price.

They do normally pay a fair price, but as at happened in the last war, they dont have to pay you anything at all. 

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4 hours ago, A Red said:

The problem with evidence is that the source is open to "who the fuck are they?" or "well they would say that" etc

 

Heres an example where you can say that

 

https://www.highlandtitles.com/blog/this-land-aint-your-land-part-1/

I know compulsory order purchases exist in Ireland as well, probably necessary when building motorways through lands etc. I know you could also be required to pay capital gains tax on the money you get from it.

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The problem with evidence is that the source is open to "who the fuck are they?" or "well they would say that" etc

 

Heres an example where you can say that

 

 

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2 minutes ago, moof said:

The problem with evidence is that the source is open to "who the fuck are they?" or "well they would say that" etc

 

Heres an example where you can say that

 

 

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That post was a really good indicator that I'm pretty much over arguing on the internet. Old me, 2009 me, would have 3000 words churned out on that 15 minutes after he posted it. Now? Sure. All good. Honestly, I just don't fuckin' care anymore.

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8 hours ago, aws said:

Technically all land in the UK is ultimately owned by the Crown But land held in freehold has in the past been the subject of a grant by the Crown of the right to use it absolutely in perpetuity.  Think of it as a lease which can never be brought to an end.  

 

18 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Oh my lord. Okay, sure. 

What don't you agree with? AWS, I believe is a lawyer and there does not seem to be a lot of gray area here. Mick posted part two 

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8 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

That post was a really good indicator that I'm pretty much over arguing on the internet. Old me, 2009 me, would have 3000 words churned out on that 15 minutes after he posted it. Now? Sure. All good. Honestly, I just don't fuckin' care anymore.

I must be missing something here, I said something pretty much uncontroversial and non insulting. You dont think its true, fair enough it doesnt matter. Its not a view point i live my life by.  Dont really get the above, does seem a bit theatrical, perhaps your having a bad day. Dunno

 

We have managed to converse fairly politely recently, l'm happy to try keep it that way

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23 minutes ago, moof said:

The problem with evidence is that the source is open to "who the fuck are they?" or "well they would say that" etc

 

Heres an example where you can say that

 

 

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Your point is?

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That said: serious scepticism called for here - about the results in general, my own results in particular, and ultimately the instrument itself...

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1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

Mate - you are damn near the left Libertarian

Well, my chief area of personal, political, social, and professional interest is (leftist/social) anarchism...

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