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Spartak Moscow(A)- Champions League 26/09/17

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an tha
an tha

"We played well"   "On another night we would have won by 5"   "We were just unlucky, the goals will come and somebody will get a hiding soon"   "Point away isn't bad"   "We'll still qualify e

AngryOfTuebrook
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Decent result, that.   A draw away from home in a difficult place is always good: it was when Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Houllier and Benitez were actually winning trophies and it still is today.  

Rorschach08
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Hope that's the only place he's driving you

an tha Grand Master

an tha

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No room tonight for the £35 mill summer signing?

What

the

fuck

is

going

on?

Was the perfect opportunity to get him on tonight.

 

Totally dominant against a side who were absolute shite and with a midfielder desperately needing the hook in Can....

 

Throw him on get him to provide a bit of pace and support to the attack with us camped in their half and no threat at all coming from them....what does Klopp do? Oh he hooks Can (albeit too late IMO) and puts Gini in there instead.

 

Baffling stuff.

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Trumo Grand Master

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Another game thrown away by wastefulness in attack and carelessness at the back.

 

Starting with the Spartak goal, they had done absolutely NOTHING in that first 20-odd minutes yet managed to score with their first attempt on goal. The problem wasn't Coutinho conceding the free kick (I'm not sure it was a foul because that Spartak player was hitting the deck every time one of our players so much as sneezed in his vicinity) or even Karius being beaten (although it was close enough to him to save it), but Can dawling in possession in midfield before being closed down and overrunning it. It's amazing how we're being punished every time we make a mistake in the defensive third because Spartak did almost nothing after scoring either. One counter attack that fizzled out when their player intercepted a pass meant for his teammate out on the left, and one second half effort that Karius saved easily. Besides that, it wasn't a tactical masterclass by their coach (the commentators stupidly claimed this after Spartak went a goal up) because we were battering them up until the decisive moment in the final third.

 

Coutinho equalised after a well-worked one-two with Mane and it was the least we deserved on the balance of play, but the rest of the game consisted of us wasting loads of promising positions in the attacking third, and somehow either heading or shooting straight at the goalkeeper or high and wide. Spartak had to resort to time-wasting by having players going down injured and subs not being ready to come on.

 

Firmino was dreadful tonight, and Sturridge wasn't much better when being brought on to play centrally. Their opposite number Luiz Adriano showed both how to hold the ball up althought he wasn't helped by having very little in the way of support. Swap the teams' centre forwards based on their displays tonight, and we would have turned our superiority into a rout for sure.

 

The commentators need to stop going on about the Maribor games being an easy 6 points because Liverpool don't do things the easy way in Europe. We've got only 2 points from two games in which we were by far the most dominant side, only for the above-mentioned attacking wastefulness and defensive slackness to rear its head. Mar.ibor are much more likely to park the bus

 

We've seen too many games like this. I remember us playing Basel during the Ged era when we completely battered them at Anfield yet somehow they came away with a 1-1 draw from that one. We had Spartak Moscow in our group then too, although we comfortably claimed 6 points from those encounters. Not completing the job when well on top is frustratingly frequent though.

 

I'm not sure what Klopp can do in this situation because we aren't being dominated or struggling to create. If anything, it's the lack of ruthlessness at both ends of the pitch that needs to be addressed. As Roy Walker might say, it's good but it's not right.

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Was the perfect opportunity to get him on tonight.

 

Totally dominant against a side who were absolute shite and with a midfielder desperately needing the hook in Can....

 

Throw him on get him to provide a bit of pace and support to the attack with us camped in their half and no threat at all coming from them....what does Klopp do? Oh he hooks Can (albeit too late IMO) and puts Gini in there instead.

 

Baffling stuff.

AOC wouldnt have made any difference,Sturridge should have. You cant legislate for a so called to striker to miss a couple of easy chances late on. I am happy with the result as I knew we'd struggle back in the CL with this squad over so many games coming thick and fast. Only thing we did wrong was not finish the game off and its going to be a struggle as we knew it would be.

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Feels like season 13/14 without Suarez pulling a worldie out the bag.

 

Woeful either in attack or at the back.

 

Whenever it "clicks" it's surrounding by a cluster fuck of shite. Equivalent of letting out a beast of a silent fart only to shit yourself in the middle of work.

 

And you're wearing white pants.

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Another game thrown away by wastefulness in attack and carelessness at the back.

 

Starting with the Spartak goal, they had done absolutely NOTHING in that first 20-odd minutes yet managed to score with their first attempt on goal. The problem wasn't Coutinho conceding the free kick (I'm not sure it was a foul because that Spartak player was hitting the deck every time one of our players so much as sneezed in his vicinity) or even Karius being beaten (although it was close enough to him to save it), but Can dawling in possession in midfield before being closed down and overrunning it. It's amazing how we're being punished every time we make a mistake in the defensive third because Spartak did almost nothing after scoring either. One counter attack that fizzled out when their player intercepted a pass meant for his teammate out on the left, and one second half effort that Karius saved easily. Besides that, it wasn't a tactical masterclass by their coach (the commentators stupidly claimed this after Spartak went a goal up) because we were battering them up until the decisive moment in the final third.

 

Coutinho equalised after a well-worked one-two with Mane and it was the least we deserved on the balance of play, but the rest of the game consisted of us wasting loads of promising positions in the attacking third, and somehow either heading or shooting straight at the goalkeeper or high and wide. Spartak had to resort to time-wasting by having players going down injured and subs not being ready to come on.

 

Firmino was dreadful tonight, and Sturridge wasn't much better when being brought on to play centrally. Their opposite number Luiz Adriano showed both how to hold the ball up althought he wasn't helped by having very little in the way of support. Swap the teams' centre forwards based on their displays tonight, and we would have turned our superiority into a rout for sure.

 

The commentators need to stop going on about the Maribor games being an easy 6 points because Liverpool don't do things the easy way in Europe. We've got only 2 points from two games in which we were by far the most dominant side, only for the above-mentioned attacking wastefulness and defensive slackness to rear its head. Mar.ibor are much more likely to park the bus

 

We've seen too many games like this. I remember us playing Basel during the Ged era when we completely battered them at Anfield yet somehow they came away with a 1-1 draw from that one. We had Spartak Moscow in our group then too, although we comfortably claimed 6 points from those encounters. Not completing the job when well on top is frustratingly frequent though.

 

I'm not sure what Klopp can do in this situation because we aren't being dominated or struggling to create. If anything, it's the lack of ruthlessness at both ends of the pitch that needs to be addressed. As Roy Walker might say, it's good but it's not right.

 

Good summation that.

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eeyore Mentor

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Feels like season 13/14 without Suarez pulling a worldie out the bag.

 

Woeful either in attack or at the back.

 

Whenever it "clicks" it's surrounding by a cluster fuck of shite. Equivalent of letting out a beast of a silent fart only to shit yourself in the middle of work.

 

And you're wearing white pants.

This doesn't feel like that at all.

 

This is just annoying fucking management.

 

Tactics, game management and most of all shit transfer spending.

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About the only thing Spartak were any cop at tonight was killing the game by breaking it up with long stoppages/dragging stoppages out.

 

After the 8 mins went up they killed 2 mins straight away...was it added on? Was it shite. Not that it would have made any difference like.

 

But from about 60 or so mins in they totally disrupted the game and broke it up to stunt our momentum.

 

Although of course even with that we should have won easily with the chances we wasted/situations we made the wrong decision in or played the wrong ball etc.

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I really think the grief is hugely overblown in this thread.

 

If we play that match 100x and get the shots we got we probably win 90%.  It's frustrating that we didn't, sure, but look at the bigger picture and we created plenty to win the match.  And at the same time we didn't give away any stupidly easy goals at the other end - we were beaten by a free kick from a position that statistically you concede about 5% of FKs from.

 

Oh, and we've now played by far the most difficult 2 of our 6 CL group matches and have 2 draws.  I'd say we're still massively favourites to go through to the knockouts, and that's really all that matters.  It'd be nice to go top to improve our odds of drawing a winnable team next but it's not the end of the world if we finish 2nd.

 

Overall, I think the initial signs of the Coutinho-Mane-Firmino-Salah thing were ... a bit clunky, perhaps, but certainly promising.  The questions about our defense weren't really answered, since Spartak were woeful going forward, but I think though it's a frustrating result it's actually a pretty decent performance as a team.

 

As individuals the case is rather the opposite - there were some absolute shockers of individual performances on show tonight.  Can and Firmino in particular, and I'm about out of hope that Karius can be the great goalkeeper we really need, but though those (and a few other) players were poor as a team I thought we were actually OK.

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