Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

Probably is mate, but I have that little respect for the man I'm fucked if I'll get his name right.

 

Bollocks to the lot of them.

 

Yeah fair enough. He's certainly doing a good job of pissing a lot of people off. 

 

That pledge to bring unity when elected seems a thousand years ago. Its a shame. We could have had and should have had a progressive centre left Labour party which was a broad church of people and ideas with everyone on board. That's been stolen.

[Creator Supreme]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

That's been stolen.

That's the crux of it for me. I'm at home in the Green Party now, but I should never have had to go looking for a political home. It should always have been Labour.

 

Maybe I'm the one with the issues politically, perhaps socialism is dead!

[Numero Veinticinco]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Yeah fair enough. He's certainly doing a good job of pissing a lot of people off. 

 

That pledge to bring unity when elected seems a thousand years ago. Its a shame. We could have had and should have had a progressive centre left Labour party which was a broad church of people and ideas with everyone on board. That's been stolen.

 

It now is a centre left party, one that's united. The people he's pissed off are the ones outside the party who only joined because of a left wing rebel. The position of the Labour party isn't determined by aggregate or by the average position when you add up all the positions of MPs, it's done by policies and political positions. 

[Strontium]

2 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

That's the crux of it for me. I'm at home in the Green Party now, but I should never have had to go looking for a political home. It should always have been Labour.

 

Maybe I'm the one with the issues politically, perhaps socialism is dead!

 

What Labour values would you say you held?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

16 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

 

In the name of Corbyn, you stick it to Labour, you absolute hero.

 

It’s more than just Corbyn. But, I suspect that you already know that. 
 

And, why shouldn’t I “stick it to Labour” - otherwise known as (by other normal people) exercising your democratic right to vote for whoever you want based on your own politics and who best represents your interests - anyway?
 

Parties have to earn the public’s vote. At this moment in time, Labour don’t appeal to me. I’m entitled to look elsewhere if I want to. Labour are going to piss the election. Stop getting over dramatic about a small amount of people wanting to move away from a centrist cult which they feel no longer represents them. 
 

[Kevin D]

Resigning as leader was a terrible mistake, should have known a total charlatan like Starmer would be along to undo his work.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

8 minutes ago, Kevin D said:

Resigning as leader was a terrible mistake, should have known a total charlatan like Starmer would be along to undo his work.

You've got to admire the sheer audacity of it all though, I guess. People actively or implicitly backing Starmer’s clearing the decks of “the left” with his “the door is open” statement, then turning round to these very same people and effectively saying to them yes, you can fuck off out of the party, but don’t you dare vote for anyone else other than Labour. 
 

The cheeky cunts. 

[skend04]

I'm genuinely mystified by what good work Corbyn has done. He may well be a very good constituency MP (I don't know as I don't live in Islington) but has he ever put forward any bills or acts of parliament that have changed people's lives for the better?

 

I don't think he has but will stand corrected if so. Surely that would be the real test when it comes to suggesting an MP has done good work?

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, skend04 said:

I'm genuinely mystified by what good work Corbyn has done. He may well be a very good constituency MP (I don't know as I don't live in Islington) but has he ever put forward any bills or acts of parliament that have changed people's lives for the better?

 

I don't think he has but will stand corrected if so. Surely that would be the real test when it comes to suggesting an MP has done good work?

 

The ones he did suggest that would have changed peoples lives for the better  resulted in him being labelled a terrorist sympathising, anti-semitic, triator twat. 

 

See increasing the health budget by over 4%, stopping pension age raises, nationalising the 'big 6', free bus travel for U25's, build a minimum of 100,000 council homes a year, free full-fibre broadband for every home....... 

 

Take from that what you will. 

[Captain Howdy]

As far as Starmer is concerned he is starting to look like a PM in waiting, I think he’ll win the next GE and I never really imagined I’d say that again about a Labour leader.  I can understand the Lefts’  distrust of him though as he does appear to have sold them a pup to get himself elected although I don’t fully know the ins and outs of it. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

42 minutes ago, Nelly-Matip said:

It’s more than just Corbyn. But, I suspect that you already know that. 
 

And, why shouldn’t I “stick it to Labour” - otherwise known as (by other normal people) exercising your democratic right to vote for whoever you want based on your own politics and who best represents your interests - anyway?
 

Parties have to earn the public’s vote. At this moment in time, Labour don’t appeal to me. I’m entitled to look elsewhere if I want to. Labour are going to piss the election. Stop getting over dramatic about a small amount of people wanting to move away from a centrist cult which they feel no longer represents them. 
 

 

Yeah, that's fair enough. You absolutely have the freedom to vote for whichever party you like. I don't have that freedom, I can't mentally get over the fact we live in a FPTP system. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

43 minutes ago, Kevin D said:

Resigning as leader was a terrible mistake, should have known a total charlatan like Starmer would be along to undo his work.

 

Indeed, and it hasn't taken him long to undo that good work. The bastard might go so far away from Corbynism that he might accidentally get elected. 

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

 

As strange as it may seem now, I defended Corbyn a lot on here (which let to me being called a cultist and somebody responding how I'm always there to defend him). The issue I have with the above is that I don't think he really did stand for real change. I don't think many knew Corbyn before he ran, at least beyond his name and knowledge he was of the left. For me, he is spoken about as if he really was a revolutionary with new ideas. He really wasn't; his manifesto was regurgitated old Labour thinking, and even then it was a bit of an imitation of it. I wanted new thinking and modern left wing policies. If your last two sentences were the case, I would have said it was all worth it. It's just that he was blown wherever people wanted him to go and we got nothing, there was very little decisive leadership. 

 

BTW, there's a couple of things that they're looking to do now that's way more revolutionary and progressive than under the last leader. In my view, much of the left - and I'm only left by virtue of my beliefs (the thing that should denote your position), because I don't want to associate with what they've become - don't actually care about that. It's become tribal. When you've got supposed left wingers bragging they're voting against Labour because of Corbyn, in these times, in this crisis, then it really has eaten itself. The sooner the old left fall away and a new left can spring, the better it'll be. 

I think  it relates to what I said about what he reflected. 

To a lot of people he did represent change(and I do think he had a few progressive policies there,the broadband for example)

Maybe people just pinned their hopes on him because he was not your everyday sanitised politician.

I think there can be little argument that he was niave but I think at heart,he is a decent human being at heart and he cares about working people.

I'm repeating myself here but he was up against arguably the most evil set of cunts the country has every seen and he was the one who was destroyed in the media.

Labour need to move on but as far as I can see its starmers crew who are just as guilty for keeping this feud alive

 

[Gnasher]

As the Scottish independence threads at the top of the page at least no-ones blamed the lurch towards independence on Jeremy Corbyn. Probably the only thing he hasn't been blamed for. 

 

Oh hang on..

 

 

 

 

[Strontium]

13 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Indeed, and it hasn't taken him long to undo that good work. The bastard might go so far away from Corbynism that he might accidentally get elected. 

 

We've got elected by mistake

[Gnasher]

27 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I think  it relates to what I said about what he reflected. 

To a lot of people he did represent change(and I do think he had a few progressive policies there,the broadband for example)

Maybe people just pinned their hopes on him because he was not your everyday sanitised politician.

I think there can be little argument that he was niave but I think at heart,he is a decent human being at heart and he cares about working people.

I'm repeating myself here but he was up against arguably the most evil set of cunts the country has every seen and he was the one who was destroyed in the media.

Labour need to move on but as far as I can see its starmers crew who are just as guilty for keeping this feud alive

 

 

Yeah then we can all have a good look at these nice new shiney left wing ideas that Numero mentioned but didn't give examples for.

 

Them old left wing policies of investing in our public services, tackling inequality and taking back assets from shareholders earning billions so the public are no longer being ripped off every time a utility bill hits the doormat are old news. Don't worry about any of that stuff Arnie, out of fashion now. Labour has new stuff. We have no idea what these superdedupa new policies are but they'll probably be sold to us by someone such as Wes Streeting sat in front of a lot of flags. Can't wait.

[Numero Veinticinco]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Yeah then we can all have a good look at these nice new shiney left wing ideas that Numero mentioned but didn't give examples for.

 

Good to know I'm now in charge of the entirety of left wing politics going forward because I posted a thing on a football forum. And yeah, 'tackling inequality' is definitely off the table. I want more inequality if anything. Kill the working class, that's my first left wing policy, because Gnasher typed something so reality has to adhere to it. 

 

That's how it works when your head is like an empty washing machine that stinks of spunk. 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

 

The ones he did suggest that would have changed peoples lives for the better  resulted in him being labelled a terrorist sympathising, anti-semitic, triator twat. 

 

See increasing the health budget by over 4%, stopping pension age raises, nationalising the 'big 6', free bus travel for U25's, build a minimum of 100,000 council homes a year, free full-fibre broadband for every home....... 

 

Take from that what you will. 

 

Just to name a few. 

[Strontium]

17 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Good to know I'm now in charge of the entirety of left wing politics going forward because I posted a thing on a football forum. And yeah, 'tackling inequality' is definitely off the table. I want more inequality if anything. Kill the working class, that's my first left wing policy, because Gnasher typed something so reality has to adhere to it. 

 

That's how it works when your head is like an empty washing machine that stinks of spunk. 

 

Killing the poor would pretty rapidly reduce inequality. Haven't thought this through, have you.

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

Killing the poor would pretty rapidly reduce inequality. Haven't thought this through, have you.

 

No, no, I have. A bit like Starmer's plan to unite the party, if I'm honest. Second policy is free wifi. Free wifi for rich people that don't need or want it. 

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, skend04 said:

I'm genuinely mystified by what good work Corbyn has done. He may well be a very good constituency MP (I don't know as I don't live in Islington) but has he ever put forward any bills or acts of parliament that have changed people's lives for the better?

 

I don't think he has but will stand corrected if so. Surely that would be the real test when it comes to suggesting an MP has done good work?

He was never really given the chance tbf

 

This is the type of shit he was up against

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1496571552187531268/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1496571552187531268&currentTweetUser=ToryFibs

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Strontium said:

 

Killing the poor would pretty rapidly reduce inequality. Haven't thought this through, have you.

 

Inequality does kill poor people though, and in huge numbers year on year.  

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-05-11/more-than-90000-people-die-in-poverty-in-uk-every-year

 

https://www.gla.ac.uk/news/headline_885099_en.html

 

 

The alternative is a fairer and more progressive tax system where the rich and corperations pay a bit more to ease the pressure on public services and also help the poor and vulnerable. 

 

https://apnews.com/article/elections-london-international-news-jeremy-corbyn-general-elections-72b180c44ca67f73ce5d5ebe21269790

 

 

 

 

 

[Kevin D]

2 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

 

Indeed, and it hasn't taken him long to undo that good work. The bastard might go so far away from Corbynism that he might accidentally get elected. 

Starmer is a liar and a cunt. A lying cunt for all to see.

 

 

[Gnasher]

Looking more true with each passing week.

 

 

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Somebody has the hump today. Is the cult leader out of the party for the elections? Didums.