Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Jairzinho]

23 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I know you jest but to give Starmer credit hes undoubtedly unified the party in one part of Nth London. They voted and the result was 80 - 0. 

 

You cant get more unified than the below so it's a well done Kier from me,

 

 

 

Can you imagine if Corbyn stands again at the next election (personally I hope he fucks it all off, he'll be 75 after all)?

 

The poor cunt from Labour that has to stand against him...

[Bruce Spanner]

6 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Can you imagine if Corbyn stands again at the next election (personally I hope he fucks it all off, he'll be 75 after all)?

 

The poor cunt from Labour that has to stand against him...

Genuine question, do you think he’d win a by-election/GE seat as an Indy/other?

 

Im not sure.

 

I think party would trump person in the vast majority of cases, but this one, I’m not sure.

 

If he does it’s a Tory/Dem seat anyway as the vote will be split enough to let them in.

 

 

[Scooby Dudek]

41 minutes ago, Numero said:

I don't think I know what everyone is thinking, obviously. I, just as anyone can, suspect and make judgements on how they act and the beliefs behind them. This isn't new, Scooby. I don't know what a United fan is thinking, but if he spews enough hatred about Klopp, I might believe he hates Liverpool. If your 'get out' is to accuse me of knowing what he thinks, that's cool. You do you. The only difference is that he'd be honest enough to admit it. 

 

I'll ask you one last time, it's about Corbyn and the perceived injustice isn't it? It's not about policies, it's not about manifestos or political belief differences, it's about Corbyn and his treatment. Isn't it? 

Nothing happens in a vacuum, as I said it is about attacks on the left (I use the word as I can't think of a better term) of the broad church. Corbyn and his treatment is a symptom and he is a figurehead, due to the last five years, but it is not about him in the way you are implying. 

 

Members have been suspended for various reasons but their suspensions are not all over the news and discussed on political programs or in a Corbyn tread, if they were I would be giving my opinion on them. Corbyn is being discussed, attacked/defended due to his profile but that is not the issue for me. 

 

Again, people have called for Corbyn to just step down and leave the party, why haven't they called for other Labour members to walk away from the party ? "I suspect" it is because their names are not all over the news agenda. 

 

 

As, I believe you have said yourself, policies are not there at the moment due to timescale, so it would be difficult to comment. Manifestos, more so.

The paying of the whistle blowers, despite rumours of the case being in Labours favour (I only say rumours, due to the fact no one can know either way as the legal advice was never released), was a sign, for me of the direction he was going to take in relation to the Anti-Semitism situation, which was, he was going to back down to appease. The problem is if you back down to bullies they don't go away, this current situation is a continuation of this. Again this appeasement is not solely about Corbyn, other members have had their names attacked, the JC has had to apologise but they are still suspended. 

 

 

As I posted a few weeks back, which you somehow read as being biased, I asked what would happen if Corbyn was either reinstated or expelled, either way it would not go well. 

Corbyn was reinstated into the party, this was obviously going to upset certain people with the media being front and centre, so Starmer has again tried to appease them by removing the whip. No doubt this time, the bullies will all go away. 

 

 

[Scooby Dudek]

45 minutes ago, Numero said:

I don't think I know what everyone is thinking, obviously. I, just as anyone can, suspect and make judgements on how they act and the beliefs behind them. This isn't new, Scooby. I don't know what a United fan is thinking, but if he spews enough hatred about Klopp, I might believe he hates Liverpool. If your 'get out' is to accuse me of knowing what he thinks, that's cool. You do you. The only difference is that he'd be honest enough to admit it. 

 

I'll ask you one last time, it's about Corbyn and the perceived injustice isn't it? It's not about policies, it's not about manifestos or political belief differences, it's about Corbyn and his treatment. Isn't it? 

Again accuse me of being dishonest, so you know what I believe only I am lying about it. 

 

Brilliant

[Jairzinho]

5 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Genuine question, do you think he’d win a by-election/GE seat as an Indy/other?

 

Im not sure.

 

I think party would trump person in the vast majority of cases, but this one, I’m not sure.

 

If he does it’s a Tory/Dem seat anyway as the vote will be split enough to let them in.

 

 

I think he'd win the seat as an independent. He got something like 65% of all votes cast. He'd lose a bit of that but probably still get 50-55% of the vote, and with it a commanding majority. Greens get almost as many votes as Tories there, and I think a lot of them would switch to Corbyn if he was free from the Labour Party.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Yeah, I think he wins his seat as an independent out of loyalty. No idea why he'd want to stand as an independent at the age of 75 though. 

[Jairzinho]

1 minute ago, Numero said:

Yeah, I think he wins his seat as an independent out of loyalty. No idea why he'd want to stand as an independent at the age of 75 though. 

I don't think he will.

[Gnasher]

22 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Can you imagine if Corbyn stands again at the next election (personally I hope he fucks it all off, he'll be 75 after all)?

 

The poor cunt from Labour that has to stand against him...

I think that's the reason they wont kick him out and are taking the cowards route. Imagine a by election? National tv and Corbyn doing rallies as an independent? Fuvking hell itd be a blood bath.

[Gnasher]

6 minutes ago, Numero said:

Yeah, I think he wins his seat as an independent out of loyalty. No idea why he'd want to stand as an independent at the age of 75 though. 

If they kick him out or he resigns would it be next year? I agree with you Corbyn would win that. 

[Bruce Spanner]

22 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

I think he'd win the seat as an independent. He got something like 65% of all votes cast. He'd lose a bit of that but probably still get 50-55% of the vote, and with it a commanding majority. Greens get almost as many votes as Tories there, and I think a lot of them would switch to Corbyn if he was free from the Labour Party.

It’ll be genuinely interesting if it happens and would give a real insight in to how split we really are.

 

I personally don’t see it, I see party over individual winning, but that’s nothing more than an educated guess. 

[Gnasher]

Corbyn should call a by election do speeches on top of a fire engine outside a food bank and follow round the official Labour candidate with a speaker blasting out Lenoard Coen records.

 

 

[Jairzinho]

Ha.

[Strontium]

33 minutes ago, Numero said:

Yeah, I think he wins his seat as an independent out of loyalty. No idea why he'd want to stand as an independent at the age of 75 though. 

 

MPs who lose their seat at an election get a tax free lump sum, in Corbyn's case it would be around £30k.

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

Remember when Gnasher confidently predicted how the Tories would rip themselves apart and Jeremy would ride in on a white charger to save us all? 
 

This is in no way amusing to watch by the way.  

The first part was indeed coming true however the thought of a Corbyn led government spooked the lib dems and charlatans in the labour party. The media also went into Goebbels mode when they thought Corbyn had a sniff of sniffing at royalty.

[Captain Howdy]

3 hours ago, Section_31 said:

All these labels piss me off, what the fuck is a 'centrist' anyway? 

 

"Oooh you're a centrist and an enemy of progress."

 

Tell you what a centrist is. Someone who doesn't give a toss about politics and certainly can't be arsed arguing about it, cares about their own job, house and family and couldn't give a fuck about Venezuela. I.e, the vast majority of the population.

 

It doesn't make you a banker, or a fascist, or a cunt. 

 

Oooh look at me I've got a Palestinian flag on my profile and I play songs about Thatcher on my ukulele, I'm a better human being than you. 

 

Fuck, right, off.

Negged by accident soz 

[Captain Howdy]

3 hours ago, Section_31 said:

 

Tell you what a centrist is. Someone who doesn't give a toss about politics and certainly can't be arsed arguing about it, cares about their own job, house and family and couldn't give a fuck about Venezuela. I.e, the vast majority of the population.

 

 

[Creator Supreme]

Rico enjoying socialists getting a kicking, who'd have thunk it?? Needs something to replace cutting people's gas supply off I suppose!

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Creator Supreme said:

Rico enjoying socialists getting a kicking, who'd have thunk it?? Needs something to replace cutting people's gas supply off I suppose!

Just one socialist, I think. There are quite a few socialists who feel like being represented by him and Dianne Abbott is a bad thing. We can separate our views on policy and politics from how a person has acted. 

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Creator Supreme said:

Rico enjoying socialists getting a kicking, who'd have thunk it?? Needs something to replace cutting people's gas supply off I suppose!

 

Judging by his recent posts it appears the big fall out with SD is indeed true. Rumours SD caught Rico referring to Ed Davy in a what's app group with Adjea as Prince nut nut. SD told Rico to leave his house immediately and though Rico begged to stay until Christmas the Dog put his foot down and said no. Rico was then seen scurrying out of SDs house with a box full of British Gas pamphlets.

[Scooby Dudek]

Return the whip Keir;

 

The parliamentary chair of the Jewish Labour Movement, MP Margaret Hodge, said the decision "did a lot to restore [Sir Keir's] credibility" and had stopped her from resigning from the party.

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

10 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Return the whip Keir;

 

The parliamentary chair of the Jewish Labour Movement, MP Margaret Hodge, said the decision "did a lot to restore [Sir Keir's] credibility" and had stopped her from resigning from the party.

 

 

Finally, a sensible argument for his immediate reinstatement. 

[Captain Howdy]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

That's the general vibe on here.

Dunno about that like, It’s a pretty pro Corbyn site by and large, I’d say he has more supporters than critics on here, if not it’s very close.

[Brownie]

 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Return the whip Keir;

 

The parliamentary chair of the Jewish Labour Movement, MP Margaret Hodge, said the decision "did a lot to restore [Sir Keir's] credibility" and had stopped her from resigning from the party.

 

 

It seems her threat of resignation and other noises from the usual suspects drove the labour leaders response. I think until then the judgement and Corbyns statement in which he appeared contrite and acknowledged the problem seemed more than enough. Maybe the old saying hangs true 'no point reasoning with the devils own'

[Gnasher]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/18/corbyns-constituents-reflect-on-latest-twist-in-antisemitism-row