Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

Yet another one for the ......wage rises have nothing to do with Brexit file'.....

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-workers-jobs-employment-brexit-covid-b1897002.html

 

 

Perspective...average wage rises in hospitality, 5% -14%.. current inflation rate... 2.5%

 

https://harpers.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/28972/Hospitality_wages_increase_14_25_due_to_staffing_crisis.html

[Gnasher]

Russian economy sees 10% growth... Russian inflation 4.5% and rising....

 

 

Which goes hand in hand with... higher wages, better standards of living...

 

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-economy-idUSKBN2BB1VJ

[Gnasher]

11 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I think the market will correct eventually. If firms offer pay rises below the rate of inflation they will struggle to recruit and have to increase their wages. We are already seeing this in farming, building and hospitality.

The point is the semi slave gig economy in the UK has been killed by Brexit and this should be a course for celebration. 

Angry seems to want the inflation rate to be wherever it lands if all them low paid workers gave back their pay rises. He's already stated he believes bosses couldn't afford those rises, which is obviously ridiculous, Taylor Wimpy reported hugh profits this week. That's why he thinks your question is stupid.

 

You're right about the market correcting itself, the fact that all the thriving economies, USA, Germany, Russia, Britain etc are experiencing rising inflation rates tells its own story, the 3.9 highest forecast nothing to be worried about which is why very few are worrying.

 

As for staff shortages the obvious solution (as the FT economist pointed out in a tweet futher up the page) is to offer better wages and better working conditions.

[Gnasher]

Latest Bank of England forecast.rising from 2 5% to 4% then falling back to 2%...so approx a penny and half increase on every pound.

 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/bank-of-england-leaves-interest-rates-unchanged-at-0-1-amid-splits-on-tackling-inflation-12373327

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I think the market will correct eventually. If firms offer pay rises below the rate of inflation they will struggle to recruit and have to increase their wages. We are already seeing this in farming, building and hospitality.

The point is the semi slave gig economy in the UK has been killed by Brexit and this should be a course for celebration. 

Sutely the likes of delilveroo havemt upped their wages?

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Bank of England telling us we are losing £440 million. A week since the referendum. And inflation will rise to 4.0%
 

Throw in all those dodgy COVID contracts and we really have been royally fucked over.

 

So, where is all this money coming from for the pay rises Gnasher?

[Gnasher]

12 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Bank of England telling us we are losing £440 million. A week since the referendum. And inflation will rise to 4.0%
 

Throw in all those dodgy COVID contracts and we really have been royally fucked over.

 

So, where is all this money coming from for the pay rises Gnasher?

What money? Inflation at 4% is low anyway, we've been through this on the past few pages, the States has 5.5% inflation and its economy is going well so a 1.5% raise is small chips.

 

I agree with you on the Covid/Government stuff but I'm not sure what that's got to do with us leaving the EU. On the subject of Covid, Britain were far quicker in the vaccination process than Europe. I understand you're not to bothered with being vaccinated and that's your choice but to others it meant they could re unite with fam and friends so it was huge 

 

As for the losing £440 mil , I haven't seen that so can't comment, is it directly linked to Brexit? have you got a link?

[skend04]

2 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I think the market will correct eventually. If firms offer pay rises below the rate of inflation they will struggle to recruit and have to increase their wages. We are already seeing this in farming, building and hospitality.

The point is the semi slave gig economy in the UK has been killed by Brexit and this should be a course for celebration. 

Genuinely terrifying that there are people that don't comprehend what is going on. Covid and furlough has had a huge effect on what people are doing and what they want to do. The scramble for people isn't because of Brexit, there thousands of people still sat at home getting furlough money. There are people that are reconsidering what they want to do with their careers. There are people who have gone home and decided now isn't the right time to travel back to the UK. There literally tens of reasons before Brexit gets on the list.

 

And it's cause, not course. You're better off starting another thread asking others if it's okay to look down women's tops than pretending you voted remain but...

[Gnasher]

9 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

@AngryOfTuebrook gets very cross about inflation but has no idea what the rate should be.

He wants the rate to be what it'll naturally plummet to if we could take back these pay rises the poor bosses couldn't afford. 

[Arniepie]

15 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Genuinely terrifying that there are people that don't comprehend what is going on. Covid and furlough has had a huge effect on what people are doing and what they want to do. The scramble for people isn't because of Brexit, there thousands of people still sat at home getting furlough money. There are people that are reconsidering what they want to do with their careers. There are people who have gone home and decided now isn't the right time to travel back to the UK. There literally tens of reasons before Brexit gets on the list.

 

And it's cause, not course. You're better off starting another thread asking others if it's okay to look down women's tops than pretending you voted remain but...

As far as I can tell the only people getting offered pay rises are the ones where there is a desperate shortage?

Its certainly hasn't affected other low paid sector jobs...such as Amazon, fast food,shop workers etc.

Another factor is that this has noy happened beciade the utter fuckwits who pushed it through, didn't understand that a whole load of lorry drivers going back home,would create a job shortage.

Which is terrifying in itself.

Said it before but when the likes of reece mogg etc was pushing through Brexit, I very much doubt a wage increase for waiting in staff, was top of his list.

[Gnasher]

14 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

That stings. The rest of it is water off a duck's back but yes it should be cause not course. I am ashamed. 

Skends talking more nonsense. He's just plucking stuff out of thin air when he says the scramble for people are nothing to do with Brexit, asking him to provide data or evidence is futile. His claim about the amount of people leaving to reconsider their future is also just a punt in the dark with no tangible evidence. Indeed the new start up chart below contradicts him,

 

 

 

Hes bemoaning the lack of people saying they admit voting remain when remain voters outnumber leave voters on this thread by about ten to one. 

 

When presented with links giving evidence he normally reverts to calling throwing spoilt brat hissy fits then calls people racist. Very little of what he posts has any semblance with reality or truth.

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

As far as I can tell the only people getting offered pay rises are the ones where there is a desperate shortage?

Its certainly hasn't affected other low paid sector jobs...such as Amazon, fast food,shop workers etc.

Another factor is that this has noy happened beciade the utter fuckwits who pushed it through, didn't understand that a whole load of lorry drivers going back home,would create a job shortage.

Which is terrifying in itself.

Said it before but when the likes of reece mogg etc was pushing through Brexit, I very much doubt a wage increase for waiting in staff, was top of his list.

Their are a lot of links throughout this thread showing people in various different sectors getting pay rises. Ie  theirs one a bit futher up showing hospitality wages up to 14%. 

[mattyq]

If you're earning £30k a year and don't get a pay rise like most public sector employees then a 4% inflation rate will mean you're losing £1200 per year or £100 a month.

Don't tell me inflation means fuck all

[Arniepie]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

Their are a lot of links throughout this thread showing people in various different sectors getting pay rises. Ie  theirs one a bit futher up showing hospitality wages up to 14%. 

But its not affectiing everyone is it?Therefore to say the era of low pay gig wages is slightly premature. 

[Gnasher]

Just now, Arniepie said:

But its not affectiing everyone is it?Therefore to say the era of low pay gig wages is slightly premature. 

Well you said desperate shortage, and that's an awful lot of people, construction employs 3 million people, here's hospitality which also employs shitloads, its hardly insignificant numbers and it hasn't stopped yet.. all rises are good and all rises are welcome..

 

https://harpers.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/28972/Hospitality_wages_increase_14_25_due_to_staffing_crisis.html

[Gnasher]

16 minutes ago, mattyq said:

If you're earning £30k a year and don't get a pay rise like most public sector employees then a 4% inflation rate will mean you're losing £1200 per year or £100 a month.

Don't tell me inflation means fuck all

An awful lot of ifs in that post. Inflation in this country is well  below America, Russia and Germany and even if it does rise to 4% it'll still be below those countries. You're also factoring in inflation staying at that rate for a whole year (most forecasts predict it won't be for that long before the fall back to 2%) and you're not factoring in any potential wage rise which should match your possible 25 quid a week loss.

 

Edit, also worth noting the normal reason inflation rises is because that country's economy is robust and healthy, ( USA, Germany , Russia) so the gains should spread into wider areas.

[mattyq]

6 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

An awful lot of ifs in that post. Inflation in this country is well  below America, Russia and Germany and even if it does rise to 4% it'll still be below those countries. You're also factoring in inflation staying at that rate for a whole year (most forecasts predict it won't be for that long before the fall back to 2%) and you're not factoring in any potential wage rise which should match your possible 25 quid a week loss.

I don't give a fuck what inflation is in Russia or anywhere else because I don't live there. So stop bringing it up

Most people don't work in construction and most people will be getting small or non existent pay rises

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, mattyq said:

I don't give a fuck what inflation is in Russia or anywhere else because I don't live there. So stop bringing it up

Most people don't work in construction and most people will be getting small or non existent pay rises

The alternative to a thriving economy is very low inflation with wage cuts and redundancies. Inflation is rising by approx 1 5% for a few months so your calculationsare wrong. As for Russia and America I'll bring up what I fucking like.

[Section_31]

Used to think globalisation was shit but it was better than this bollocks, everyone at each other's throats, it's like the 30s all over again. 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

What money? Inflation at 4% is low anyway, we've been through this on the past few pages, the States has 5.5% inflation and its economy is going well so a 1.5% raise is small chips.

 

I agree with you on the Covid/Government stuff but I'm not sure what that's got to do with us leaving the EU. On the subject of Covid, Britain were far quicker in the vaccination process than Europe. I understand you're not to bothered with being vaccinated and that's your choice but to others it meant they could re unite with fam and friends so it was huge 

 

As for the losing £440 mil , I haven't seen that so can't comment, is it directly linked to Brexit? have you got a link?

 

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

1 hour ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

That stings. The rest of it is water off a duck's back but yes it should be cause not course. I am ashamed. 

I bet you would have been hauled over the coals at The Spectator for that, eh, Micheal? 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

 

 

 

Yeah I posted the bank of England report earlier. Inflation rising for a short time from 2.5 to 4% which is obviously a 1.5% hike, so approx less than a two quid loss for every hundred for a short period and then back down to two per cent, that's if them figures and forecasts are correct, at the mo it's all conjecture. 

 

 

Also the German inflation rate is almost identical to ours 2.3"% and rising. Their economy is ok and they're obviously in the EU.  So basically all this nonsense over inflation rates with regards to the eu is eh pretty much nonsense.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-economy-unemployment-idUSKCN2DD2QC

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

We need a separate thread on monetary policy. Bit of a niche taste but it takes all sorts. I personally think quantitive easing has done more to increase social inequality and favour the wealthy than any policy in the last 50 years.  

I've got to disagree there but that's another matter.

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Well it’s led to a bubble in UK house prices and shares mainly owned by the wealthy. A lot of people don’t realise the extent that QE has impacted the economy in favour of asset owners. I think it’s a terrible policy. 

 I take your point on house prices, they seem to be the main driver of the British economy and its not good and not sustainable.

[Bruce Spanner]

Kurtz just asked me to stop sharing his blog posts, articles from the Spectator, his vested interests in all of this shit because his business model isn’t supported by the existing subsidies structure for his very lucrative business’ via PM.

 

I’m willing to do that for him ‘cause I’m nice and stuff.

 

Problem with the internet is that it’s all joined up and shit.

 

Anyhows my flight takes off in five and I’m out of the loop for a while, I look forward to the replies…