Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Bruce Spanner]

 

From Newsnight, last night.

 

BBC, Guardian, Mirror, Hail, Metro ect now running with it...

[Anubis]

An exchange in the replies.

 

 

 

 

[No2]

14 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I think it’s part of a general issue that the proponents of project Fear cannot bring themselves to admit they over played their hand. I was a Remainer and with hindsight I was wrong. We are thankfully out of the CAP (a massive £65 billion per year institutional theft by European landowners), trade with the EU is almost at the 2019 level and the wages of the working class at least seem to be going up now that the supply of cheap competition has been stopped. The predicted catastrophe hasn’t happened yet at least.  

Are you against flying in cheap labour?

[Gnasher]

Put this up a few pages ago, i bought one as a Christmas present for AoT but I might have to dig into myself soon..

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-46814527

 

 

 

[clangers]

Frost's performance in front of the parliamentary committee is jaw dropping. A staggering mix of arrogance, ignorance and it's my first day naivety. Who would have thought those scoundrels in the EU would want to implement a treaty he negotiated word for word? It's almost as if he and Boris didn't really have a clue what they were signing up for and had every intention to renege on it?

[No2]

3 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Yes. The success of companies like Amazon, Sports Direct etc and the billionaire wealth of their owners has been built on the back of treating their employees like slaves. They could do this in the UK because of a ready supply of cheap labour from eastern europe . If Brexit means labour shortages amongst unskilled workers so that this exploitation has to stop then I am all for it. 

Apologies of I'm confusing you with someone else but weren't you happy to import meat form Australia to benefit the consumer?

[Pureblood]

24 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

People spreading alarm about imminent food shortages are one of the main causes of stockpiling which leads to actual food shortages which leads to more stockpiling etc. They then claim they were right all along. 

Hahahaha.

[Rico1304]

27 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

People spreading alarm about imminent food shortages are one of the main causes of stockpiling which leads to actual food shortages which leads to more stockpiling etc. They then claim they were right all along. 

Good luck stockpiling salad

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Apparently there is a global shortage of tinned Italian tomatoes caused by 3 years of poor harvests and a global shortage of steel post covid. Nothing to do with Brexit but no doubt people will claim it is. This is what you should be panic buying. 

We should be panic buying steel? 

[No2]

32 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Yes but cows are different to people. 

But you where about the bottom line last week. Those Romanians were protected by EU and UK employment law. You need to decide if price is the number one priority or not. You can't move the goalposts to suit your position on certain issues.

[No2]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

We should be panic buying steel? 

You mean you haven't been? I'll lend you some if you're short.

[Gnasher]

60% pay rise for farm workers, on top of above inflation pay rises for workers in construction and the service industry, who'd ave thunk it?

 

https://www.countryliving.com/uk/wildlife/farming/a36724667/british-farmers-help-fruit-picking-pay-more/

 

My heart bleeds for these rich landowners, rev up the planes.

[skend04]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

60% pay rise for farm workers, on top of above inflation pay rises for workers in onstruction and the service industry, who'd ave thunk it?

 

https://www.countryliving.com/uk/wildlife/farming/a36724667/british-farmers-help-fruit-picking-pay-more/

Obviously not read the rest of the report where it says it's unsustainable and prices will feed through to consumers. So people who already struggle to put fresh food on the table will be further forced to use foodbanks. But that's a good thing right.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

20 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Put this up a few pages ago, i bought one as a Christmas present for AoT but I might have to dig into myself soon..

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-46814527

 

 

 

Happy Fifth Anniversary of the day the Referendum was won on the slogan "Obviously, it will be worse than now, but at least it won't be so bad that you'll need to stockpile."

[Gnasher]

60% pay rise for farm workers, on top of above inflation pay rises for workers in onstruction and the service industry, who'd ave thunk it?

 

https://www.countryliving.com/uk/wildlife/farming/a36724667/british-farmers-help-fruit-picking-pay-more/

 

My heart bleeds for the Tim Martins of the country..

 

https://www.ft.com/content/d3623481-432e-49b6-b9b3-e8af400bc1e8

 

[Gnasher]

7 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Happy Fifth Anniversary of the day the Referendum was won on the slogan "Obviously, it will be worse than now, but at least it won't be so bad that you'll need to stockpile."

Grow your own, good for the environment, good for you. I'd rather farm workers get a much deserved pay rise than load some posh twats plate with plentiful ammounts of cheep asparagus to be honest Angry. 

[Gnasher]

11 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Happy Fifth Anniversary of the day the Referendum was won on the slogan "Obviously, it will be worse than now, but at least it won't be so bad that you'll need to stockpile."

But is it really worse than before for workers in low paid industries Angry? 

[Qwikage]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Grow your own, good for the environment, good for you. I'd rather farm workers get a much deserved pay rise than load some posh twats plate with plentiful ammounts of cheep asparagus to be honest Angry. 

How many potatoes can you grow in a window box?

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Qwikage said:

How many potatoes can you grow in a window box?

Fair point. Allotments are also like gold dust. 

[Gnasher]

Another case of supply and demand swinging the pendulum in the direction of the employee and away from the employer. 

 

If they pay the money they'll get the staff, 

 

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/a-simple-way-to-lure-staff-pay-them-more-b938371.html

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

60% pay rise for farm workers, on top of above inflation pay rises for workers in construction and the service industry, who'd ave thunk it?

 

https://www.countryliving.com/uk/wildlife/farming/a36724667/british-farmers-help-fruit-picking-pay-more/

 

My heart bleeds for these rich landowners, rev up the planes.

That article says there will be shortages of fresh food, some producers will go bust and the cost of the increased wages will go through to prices in the supermarket  (hitting poorer people hardest).

 

I'm waving a flag and singing the OBON anthem just reading that.  Happy Independence Day.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 22/06/2021 at 09:05, Anubis said:

An exchange in the replies.

 

 

 

 

Peter B is basically the Government right now. 

[Gnasher]

17 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

That article says there will be shortages of fresh food, some producers will go bust and the cost of the increased wages will go through to prices in the supermarket  (hitting poorer people hardest).

 

I'm waving a flag and singing the OBON anthem just reading that.  Happy Independence Day.

Low paid workers getting paid a fair shilling for their labour really seems to grate on you angry, at least the reality of low income employees receiving pay rises is finally hitting home with you and you're no longer in some strange state of denial.

 

The alternative you're proposing is the old tried and failed pay em low stack em high policy favoured by the greedy free enterprise mob. These workers have earned and deserve their large pay rise angry as have other low paid workers, good luck to them, about fucking time, i hope they enjoy the extra cash and pump the pay rise back into the local economy about fucking time.

 

As for supermarket price rises and food shortages, we'll see but I don't mind paying a little more if it results in low income employees receiving a decent wage. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

21 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Yes. The success of companies like Amazon, Sports Direct etc and the billionaire wealth of their owners has been built on the back of treating their employees like slaves. They could do this in the UK because of a ready supply of cheap labour from eastern europe . If Brexit means labour shortages amongst unskilled workers so that this exploitation has to stop then I am all for it. 

I can't find specific figures, but several Migration Observatory reports suggest that in 2019 EU workers accounted for about 8% of Storage & Distribution jobs. 

 

You may have to stop blaming the forrins and look elsewhere for the real cause of shitty pay and conditions. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Grow your own, good for the environment, good for you. I'd rather farm workers get a much deserved pay rise than load some posh twats plate with plentiful ammounts of cheep asparagus to be honest Angry. 

Finally, you come round to the idea that farmers deserve a living wage!