are refs corrupt in our league

[Major Tom]

The whole fucking League is corrupt. Certain people have too much influence on the FA, Premier League and Refs and it's no coincidence that you see the same things happen to the same teams time and time again.

 

We're as bad as the Italians but do it in a different way.

 

You think people are being paid in the league? Is this a recent thing? Or was it corrupt when we were cleaning up also?

[ngogswilly]

It baffles me that theres still some people who can't see it. Whether its corrupt or not I don't know.

 

But why does Webb always get big games involving united and why is there always dubious decisions given in their favour. As certain as death and taxes Howard Webb will help the mancs out in numerous big games every year, and people dont see fit to question it at all.

 

Fucking baffling.

[Major Tom]

Irrespective of their motivations, or the cause of, there are a lot of dishonest decisions made by referees. This in itself is corrupt.

And it's rife from the FA down.

The game is rotten with corruption.

 

I'll ask you the same thing I asked Fugitive.

 

How long do you think the league has been corrupt? Does it tarnish all our league wins?

[Mr T]

I think refs should be selected at random for games. These guys are meant to be good enough for the top league, that means any game not just the piss-ant ones like Birmingham versus West Ham.

 

You don't want a kind of selection process going on because it incentivises referees to behave in such a way that they avoid controversy. Teams with the highest profiles create the most controversy and none more than the Mancs with Ferguson running the show.

[ngogswilly]

I'll ask you the same thing I asked Fugitive.

 

How long do you think the league has been corrupt? Does it tarnish all our league wins?

 

If I was to put as simply as I can.

 

It started when Man United became a brand that is vastly important to SKY and other interests in the media, also during that time Fergiscum gained as much influence as he has. Its been going on at least 10 years. I remember a cup tie United had with I think it was OPR at least 12 or 13 years ago they were losing and the ref played something like 98 minutes injury time till they scored. I was a kid then but even I knew something was fishy as fuck about it.

 

I don't think its out and out corruption to the scale of the Italian leagues with match fixing and what not. But someone keeps giving Webb games where he helps United out with at least 1 or 2 dubious decisions. That cannot be debated. And before Webb there was other Refs like Riley doing it.

[Reacher]

 

I'll ask you the same thing I asked Fugitive.

 

How long do you think the league has been corrupt? Does it tarnish all our league wins?

 

Were our defenders only getting two free kicks against them in nine months as someone has put on either this thread or one similar?

[Indian Red]

Yes it is. If the league isnt corrupt, then it must be the only multi-billion pound "industry" that isnt

[RedEagle]

I think refs should be selected at random for games. These guys are meant to be good enough for the top league, that means any game not just the piss-ant ones like Birmingham versus West Ham.

 

You don't want a kind of selection process going on because it incentivises referees to behave in such a way that they avoid controversy. Teams with the highest profiles create the most controversy and none more than the Mancs with Ferguson running the show.

 

I wouldn't trust them to draw it randomly. It's like when we used to somehow end up with "Super Sunday Big 4 Day". A few years ago.

[Major Tom]

Were our defenders only getting two free kicks against them in nine months as someone has put on either this thread or one similar?

 

So I take from that you think it's a new thing?

[Major Tom]

If I was to put as simply as I can.

 

It started when Man United became a brand that is vastly important to SKY and other interests in the media, also during that time Fergiscum gained as much influence as he has. Its been going on at least 10 years. I remember a cup tie United had with I think it was OPR at least 12 or 13 years ago they were losing and the ref played something like 98 minutes injury time till they scored. I was a kid then but even I knew something was fishy as fuck about it.

 

I don't think its out and out corruption to the scale of the Italian leagues with match fixing and what not. But someone keeps giving Webb games where he helps United out with at least 1 or 2 dubious decisions. That cannot be debated. And before Webb there was other Refs like Riley doing it.

 

That's what I find hard to fathom. It's only been corrupt since Utd started winning in your view. It was all rosy when we were winning but since they started winning, the league is corrupt.

 

Doesn't wash with me.

 

I could push you further on how Sky influences results (who pays who and hwo?) but I fear I would get a lot of speculation more worthy of the X-Files that football forums.

[Moo]

I'll ask you the same thing I asked Fugitive.

 

How long do you think the league has been corrupt? Does it tarnish all our league wins?

 

It's hard to say.

No it doesn't tarnish our league wins or even all of Man Utd's league wins.

It's been a gradual thing I would say over the last several years, seemingly getting worse when Mourinho went to Chelsea and coming to a head over the last couple of years.

Certain managers, and players/ clubs, are exherting too much pressure on referees which is resulting in ridiculous, and I mean ridiculous, and dishonest decisions being made, and the people are the top of the game seem to be allowing this to happen and continue.

What the referees benefit from allowing themselves to be manipulated I am not sure, but I don't think it's anything as direct as brown envelopes. However the higher profile matches they get boosts their chances of handling prestige matches which in turn boosts their ego and earning potential.

 

I really don't think it takes any kind of stretch of the imagination to suggest the game and it's officials lack honesty and integrity, and could indeed be the very definition of corrupt.

[Reacher]

 

So I take from that you think it's a new thing?

 

To me there's no doubt that big teams get to see more rub of the green, but utd? In my opinion they've taken it to a new level.

[Major Tom]

To me there's no doubt that big teams get to see more rub of the green, but utd? In my opinion they've taken it to a new level.

 

All fans think the opposition get the rub of the green. Utd fans are certain the FA loves and favours Liverpool. While Liverpool fans are certain of the opposite.

 

Same with the media. Same with referees.

[Major Tom]

I really don't think it takes any kind of stretch of the imagination to suggest the game and it's officials lack honesty and integrity, and could indeed be the very definition of corrupt.

 

So you think money changes hands? And who pays and who stands to benefit?

 

I don't doubt for a minute that the home team gets the rub of the green. Us, Utd, Arsenal whoever. But I don't think the referees lack integrity. Having chatted to Howard Webb, the last thing I would accuse him of as lacking integrity

[Moo]

All fans think the opposition get the rub of the green. Utd fans are certain the FA loves and favours Liverpool. While Liverpool fans are certain of the opposite.

 

Same with the media. Same with referees.

 

Not the ones I know.

[Moo]

So you think money changes hands? And who pays and who stands to benefit?

 

I don't doubt for a minute that the home team gets the rub of the green. Us, Utd, Arsenal whoever. But I don't think the referees lack integrity. Having chatted to Howard Webb, the last thing I would accuse him of as lacking integrity

 

I never said that at all.

[Haan'sThunderbolt]

Yes, they are.

 

Remember 1993 and the Scum are getting beat 0-1 at home v Sheffield Weds....and the 90 mins were up. Miraculously, Bruce scored twice in 10 mins injury time......

 

It's been going on ever since.......personally, the majority of their trophies are tarnished!!

[Trucker Paddy]

Webb is and now given his previous employment and he has the blessing of the crown it's treason to question him.

[clangers]

It's corruption of a form. They're absolutely terrified of Ferguson and the influence with the media he has. He is completely untouchable with the FA effectively. We've already seen how Ferguson can wreck a referee's career and every decision at Old Toilet carries unreasonable scrutiny. Referee's are terrified of making difficult decisions up there.

[Moo]

So you think money changes hands? And who pays and who stands to benefit?

 

I don't doubt for a minute that the home team gets the rub of the green. Us, Utd, Arsenal whoever. But I don't think the referees lack integrity. Having chatted to Howard Webb, the last thing I would accuse him of as lacking integrity

 

What did you make of the penalty decision today?

What did you make of the Mendes 'goal' at Old Trafford in 2005 which was miles over the line but not given?

 

Do you think these were both 100% honest decisions?

[RedEagle]

But this illusion of "Everyone thinks the FA favour their team" is exactly what allows this kind of shit to happen. I'm trying to look at this from an impartial point of view. I think it's clear, United are favoured.

 

Ferguson is often lauded for his use of 'mind games'. The fact that the press embrace his use of them is worryng. I don't think money is exchanging hands, but I think there is a bias from the hierarchy(The FA, Premier League, British Manager Association) that conciously allows it to go on and it affects referees and guides them into making bias desicions.

 

Another thing that deeply concerns me is the fact Sky in the past have activley tried to buy United. It suggests that they do indeed favour United. They fit in with their ethos of commercialisation.

[Reacher]

 

All fans think the opposition get the rub of the green. Utd fans are certain the FA loves and favours Liverpool. While Liverpool fans are certain of the opposite.

 

Same with the media. Same with referees.

 

He might have integrity but I'd wager he's scared shitless of Fergie. No?

[Major Tom]

What did you make of the penalty decision today?

What did you make of the Mendes 'goal' at Old Trafford in 2005 which was miles over the line but not given?

 

Do you think these were both 100% honest decisions?

 

Yes, I do. But were wrong on both counts. Referees make wrong decisions every week up and down the country. You make it sound as though they are the only two ever

 

Do you think they were dishonest then? Do you think Webb is being paid by someone?

[Major Tom]

He might have integrity but I'd wager he's scared shitless of Fergie. No?

 

Not in my view.

 

Scared of what? A tongue lashing? A beating? What exactly would he be scared of?

[Reacher]

 

Yes, I do. But were wrong on both counts. Referees make wrong decisions every week up and down the country. You make it sound as though they are the only two ever

 

Do you think they were dishonest then? Do you think Webb is being paid by someone?

 

It's not about getting paid, it's a out the prestigious games for Webb, which he won't get if he pisses of Slur.