Cameron: "Cuts will change our way of life"

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Nice strawman there. Where did anyone say that? It's 10 years down the line. Nice use of the words 'proposed'. Tell a lie enough and those who don't know better will believe it thats right isn't it? 

 

You wrote "Imagine being a student and being told that tuition fees will be scrapped so voting off the back of it".

 

Being. Present tense. A. Student.

 

Unless you're talking about all those 12 year olds who voted Lib Dem so they wouldn't have to pay fees when they went to university at 18.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

You wrote "Imagine being a student and being told that tuition fees will be scrapped so voting off the back of it".

 

Being. Present tense. A. Student.

 

Unless you're talking about all those 12 year olds who voted Lib Dem so they wouldn't have to pay fees when they went to university at 18.

Pretty sure a lot of parents would have looked at their child and thought "that will do them good" 

 

Answer me this. Did the Lib Dems props to abolish tuition fees in their manifesto then fail to deliver? Simple question. 

[Brownie]

*bangs head against brick wall*

[Numero Veinticinco]

 

! The claim made in this pledge is disputed

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Answer me this. Did the Lib Dems props to abolish tuition fees in their manifesto then fail to deliver? Simple question. 

 

Yes, the proposal was to abolish them in six years. I did just say that.

 

Regrettably we did not win the election, so could not deliver. 

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Yes, the proposal was to abolish them in six years. I did just say that.

 

Regrettably we did not win the election, so could not deliver. 

You entered into a coalition with the Tory government. Part of the Lib Dem manifesto going into that coalition was to abolish student fees. They didn't deliver. They lied. They duped the public. No amount of snidey shit-bagging from you will change that. Your lot cosied up to the tories and no decent human will ever trust them ever again. Pointless party followed and represented by cunts. Slightly less cunts that Tories but cunts all the same. 

 

(I am aware that Labour has its fair share of cunts) 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Personally, I think that it’s fine, in full knowledge you’re not going to win an election, to make pledges you know you won’t have to deliver and then prop up a government arguing against it and vote against your own pledged promise. 
 

Then, despite being Deputy Prime Minister, shirk all responsibility. It’s the mature thing to do. 

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

You entered into a coalition with the Tory government. part of the Lib den manifesto going into that coalition was to abolish student fees. They didn't deliver. They lied. They duped the public. No amount of snidey shit-bagging from you will change that. 

 

Do you want to explain how we could have delivered every single policy in our manifesto without winning the election?

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Do you want to explain how we could have delivered every single policy in our manifesto without winning the election?

You know full well the coalition came with conditions and one condition that was announced was the student fees. 

 

• The Lib Dems made no attempt to stand by their two key economic election pledges – no deficit reduction this year and opposition to a VAT increase – in the coalition negotiations. A Clegg aide told Wilson: "The thing that changed minds was George Osborne saying that he had seen the figures and it was quite horrific in real life as opposed to spin life."

[Brownie]

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

You know full well the coalition came with conditions and one condition that was announced was the student fees.

 

The coalition agreement said nothing about abolishing tuition fees.

 

I just want you to admit that if we had managed to somehow get fees abolished, then other stuff would have not been delivered instead, and you'd be criticising us for those instead.

[Bjornebye]

 

What did they deliver that they promised? 

 

The Tax threshold.

 

Oh and austerity.  

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

What did they deliver that they promised? This should be fun. 

 

https://whatthehellhavethelibdemsdone.com/

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

https://whatthehellhavethelibdemsdone.com/

I got to 5, By then I'd seen 3 lies and gave up. 

 

You just can't help yourselves. Sad lying party for sad lying bastards. Have a nice afternoon 'puny' *sniggers* >insert emoticon of a yellow ball bouncing up and down pulling its tongue< 

[Bjornebye]

On second thoughts, swerve the emoticon. I cant neg myself. 

[Strontium]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

I got to 5, By then I'd seen 3 lies and gave up.

 

Of course you did. Even though every policy on there has the exact portion of the manifesto from which it comes.

 

Criticise the Lib Dems for the policies they prioritised, but don't pretend they didn't get a whole bunch of policies through.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

https://whatthehellhavethelibdemsdone.com/

First one was ‘scrapped ID card programme’ and ‘didn’t renew Trident yet’. Yep, well in Lib Dems. Then was ‘agreed to a Vickers report recommendation of separating retail and investment banking’. Then it was something about flexible working, which I closed immediately because I can’t be arsed writing about zero hours contracts for hours. 
 

[Strontium]

Just now, Numero said:

First one was ‘scrapped ID card programme’ and ‘didn’t renew Trident yet’. Yep, well in Lib Dems. Then was ‘agreed to a Vickers report recommendation of separating retail and investment banking’. Then it was something about flexible working, which I closed immediately because I can’t be arsed writing about zero hours contracts for hours. 
 

 

Good, because I'm sick of hearing nonsense about how zero hours contracts didn't exist until the coalition.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Of course you did. Even though every policy on there has the exact portion of the manifesto from which it comes.

 

Criticise the Lib Dems for the policies they prioritised, but don't pretend they didn't get a whole bunch of policies through.

Yep I stopped because I don't like being lied to. Like I previously said. 

 

Thanks. 

[Mudface]

3 minutes ago, Numero said:

First one was ‘scrapped ID card programme’ and ‘didn’t renew Trident yet’. Yep, well in Lib Dems. Then was ‘agreed to a Vickers report recommendation of separating retail and investment banking’. Then it was something about flexible working, which I closed immediately because I can’t be arsed writing about zero hours contracts for hours. 
 

Fortunately, the Lib Dems were well rewarded at the 2015 General Election for all the good they did.

[Bjornebye]

They were lying before they even started

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/nov/12/lib-dems-tuition-fees-clegg

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/sep/19/nick-clegg-apologies-tuition-fees-pledge

 

Then lets have some facts

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/15/how-much-of-the-liberal-democrats-2010-election-manifesto-was-implemented

 

Hell of a lot of "not met" in there and very few "met". 

[Bjornebye]

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Good, because I'm sick of hearing nonsense about how zero hours contracts didn't exist until the coalition.

Yes, I’ll make sure I stop saying that. Wait... 

 

I just clicked on it again. It started bragging about ending child poverty by 2020. Then I read the IFS report. Then I shook my head. 

[Strontium]

4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Then lets have some facts

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/15/how-much-of-the-liberal-democrats-2010-election-manifesto-was-implemented

 

Hell of a lot of "not met" in there and very few "met". 

 

From your own source:

 

"Many of the party’s high-profile pledges – such as scrapping tuition fees and opposing nuclear power – have been ditched but perhaps more have been adopted than might have been expected for the smaller party in a coalition"

 

Glad we can agree that the Lib Dems punching above their weight is a fact...

[Strontium]

7 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Fortunately, the Lib Dems were well rewarded at the 2015 General Election for all the good they did.

 

It's fair to say that everything that has happened to this country since 2015 has made me a believer in karma.