Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

"Evidence? Where we're going we don't need evidence!"

[SasaS]

So, Conservatives can read this that by moving stronger to the deal-or-no-deal-we-are-out-of-the-EU on 31 October position they can claw back most of their votes that are now going to the Brexit Party. If Labour move from the sitting on the fence position, they will lose even more votes to Lib Dems or Brexit.

 

 

 

[skend04]

The fuck? Ann Widdecombe getting airtime on R2 after endorsing eradication of homosexuality through scientific advances last week. The BBC news team are fucking shite.

[torahboy]

Great result considering the Zionist smear campaign rearing its hideous fucking head again, the former incumbent being a law breaker and the general media campaign for Farage's one issue rag tags. Well done Ms Forbes.

[sir roger]

Great result with every single thing stacked against us and lies and exaggerations thrown in by the usual fifth columnists.

 

Back to normality for the Lib Dems.

[Strontium]

5 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Back to normality for the Lib Dems.

 

Oh, I certainly hope us quadrupling our vote share is the new normal, no doubt about that.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

36 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

I’m asking you. Not her. 

 

 

Evidence that another anti-semite has been elected into the Labour ranks. 

 

Like you said here.

1 hour ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Probably not too enthused about another antisemite being elected to the Labour ranks.

 

[Gnasher]

44 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Jess Phillips has basically said as much.

 

 

The Holocaust didn't begin with Jews being herded into gas chambers. It started with the spread of tropes and conspiracies much like the ones Forbes "accidentally" endorsed on Facebook.

 

The idea that we should just ignore the latter until it turns into the former is offensively stupid.

Yep accidentally being the operative word.

 

If the shit hit ever did hit the fan (and I hope it dosnt) I'd rather someone who's put his back into fighting racism all his life like Corbyn than a self publicist ego tripper like Jess Phillips on my side.

 

Anyway lets relax, count to 10 and  enjoy a little story,

 

 

 

[Strontium]

6 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Evidence that another anti-semite has been elected into the Labour ranks. 

 

Okay, sorry, I assumed you knew what I was talking about.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/02/jewish-groups-labour-peterborough-byelection-lisa-forbes-antisemitism

 

Jewish groups say Labour should disown Peterborough byelection candidate

Lisa Forbes apologises over online posts and promises to take antisemitism training

 

Jewish organisations have called on Labour to distance itself from its Peterborough byelection candidate, who has apologised for liking a post that said Theresa May had a “Zionist slave masters agenda”.
 

Lisa Forbes, who will fight the marginal seat for Labour in the knife-edge byelection on Thursday, said she apologised “wholeheartedly for not calling out these posts”.
 

She claimed she had “intended to like a video of schoolchildren praying in solidarity with the Christchurch attacks, not the views expressed in the accompanying text”.
 

The Twitter activity was unearthed by a freelance reporter, who also found Forbes had commented on a thread that claimed Isis was created and funded by the CIA and Mossad. Forbes wrote: “I have enjoyed reading this thread so much.”

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

This Lisa Forbes thing we're seeing is nothing new. The rush to label people. To label her comment about the CIA and Mossad as antisemitic is absolutely crazy. She said she found a post interesting etc. She didn't advocate the content of the post. It's twisting reality to class a failure to condemn something as agreeing with that same thing. 

 

As for the New Zealand kids praying video, she said she didn't pay attention to the text and liked the post as she liked the imagery of schoolchildren praying. We're back to that situation of instantly labelling people and not giving them the benefit of the doubt. And ignoring context and past behaviour. If she is the raving antisemitise that she's being smeared as, wouldn't there likely be stronger evidence than a clumsy like of a Facebook post, which she's given a perfectly believable explanation for? 

 

It's getting to a point now where somebody can level a harmful accusation at somebody and then it's on them to disprove that claim, rather than the usual situation of he who asserts must prove. It's perverse. 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

17 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Okay, sorry, I assumed you knew what I was talking about.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/02/jewish-groups-labour-peterborough-byelection-lisa-forbes-antisemitism

 

Jewish groups say Labour should disown Peterborough byelection candidate

Lisa Forbes apologises over online posts and promises to take antisemitism training

 

Jewish organisations have called on Labour to distance itself from its Peterborough byelection candidate, who has apologised for liking a post that said Theresa May had a “Zionist slave masters agenda”.
 

Lisa Forbes, who will fight the marginal seat for Labour in the knife-edge byelection on Thursday, said she apologised “wholeheartedly for not calling out these posts”.
 

She claimed she had “intended to like a video of schoolchildren praying in solidarity with the Christchurch attacks, not the views expressed in the accompanying text”.
 

The Twitter activity was unearthed by a freelance reporter, who also found Forbes had commented on a thread that claimed Isis was created and funded by the CIA and Mossad. Forbes wrote: “I have enjoyed reading this thread so much.”

So no evidence then.

[Numero Veinticinco]

FFS. Liking a post about Zionists is enough to get you called out and branded as an antisemite forever now. Great stuff on watering down... everything. 

[Strontium]

18 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

So no evidence then.

 

No, none at all. Nothing to see here. The EHRC are secretly controlled by Israel too.

[SasaS]

Wasn't aware Peterborough by-election was all about anti-Semitism.  

[skend04]

15 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Wasn't aware Peterborough by-election was all about anti-Semitism.  

What? All those Pakistanis voted Labour because it was about AS. That's where Farage went wrong, not enough Soros conspiracy theories the last couple of weeks.

[Gnasher]

The anti semitism dog whistlers are having little affect. The friends of Israel party or change UK has nosedived into oblivion. The sillyness of the  accusations are proving counter productive.

 

How's Chukka Uhma and Joan Ryan this afternoon?  They seem very quiet.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The anti semitism dog whistlers are having little affect. The friends of Israel party or change UK has nosedived into oblivion. The sillyness of the  accusations are proving counter productive.

 

How's Chukka Uhma and Joan Ryan this afternoon?  They seem very quiet.

Here she is, taken a few weeks ago. The following idiot is believe it or not Chairman of the friends of Israel.

 

 

 

[moof]

The way these people have trivialised antisemitism is utterly despicable. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I prefer this Joan Ryan "highlight." 

 

 

[Gnasher]

Good news. Chukka's alive. He's just retweeted this from our very own Luciannna, all dosnt seem well in the camp

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

18 minutes ago, moof said:

The way these people have trivialised antisemitism is utterly despicable. 

Totally agree. Shameless weaponisation. 

 

[Jairzinho]

Largely by shameless weapons like Jess Phillips, Rachel Riley, and various other tedious cunts on Twitter. 

 

It's making life worse for lots of Jews. They know as much but simply don't fucking care

 

Scum.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

2 hours ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

No, none at all. Nothing to see here. The EHRC are secretly controlled by Israel too.

 Again, where is the evidence she is an anti-Semite? 

 

 

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

 Again, where is he evidence she is an anti-Semite? 

 

I can only provide you with the evidence. I can't make you agree.

 

Meanwhile, Wes Streeting is striking a conciliatory tone

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/opinion/house-commons/104400/wes-streeting-labours-new-mp

 

I haven’t been in Peterborough this week and I want to be honest about why. I haven’t been to Peterborough since the antisemitic social media activity of our candidate and her opposition to the IHRA definition of antisemitism became clear. The words ‘zero tolerance’ may have meant little to our leadership, but they do mean something to me. When I promised the Jewish Labour Movement that I would stand in solidarity with them, I really meant it. If I had knocked on doors this week I would have been a hypocrite.

I was a candidate with Lisa Forbes in 2015 and I was honestly delighted when she was selected as our candidate. I’ve only ever known her to be a good woman who is utterly dedicated to her city. While I still have no doubt that she will work her socks off, I was shocked by what I read of her social media activity. It was serious enough to warrant disciplinary action. She has apologised, but it is not my place to accept it. She will need to work hard to persuade the Jewish Labour Movement and wider community that her apology was meaningful and that she is genuinely committed to tackling antisemitism.

I’ve agonised about this. I didn’t want to see the Brexit Party win, but it is no good to see Labour people demanding loyalty on the basis of being the lesser of two evils. There is no hierarchy of racism or prejudice. Antisemitism must never become normalised or more politically acceptable than any other form of discrimination.

Once again, the Labour Party leadership has serious questions to answer about candidate vetting and on what ‘zero tolerance’ and the ‘militant fight against antisemitism’ really means. I’d say not much. I’ve given up hope that this Labour leadership can prove me wrong, but I have not given up hope that the new MP for Peterborough can be true to her apology and show genuine contrition.

[Pureblood]

2 hours ago, moof said:

The way these people have trivialised antisemitism is utterly despicable. 

True dat.  I'd include stronts in "these people".