James McClean refuses to wear poppy

[Bjornebye]

*are

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

As long as he doesn't diss American Pie he's ok with me.

[A Red]

His actions? You have no idea what you ate talking about thats what annoys me

Fucking hell but you are slippery.

 

Why are you annoyed that i have suggested he doesnt feel that strongly? If i dont know what i am talking about, please put me right.

[Bjornebye]

Fucking hell but you are slippery.

 

Why are you annoyed that i have suggested he doesnt feel that strongly? If i dont know what i am talking about, please put me right.

What do you mean slippery?

 

Your chatting shit.

[A Red]

What do you mean slippery?

 

Your chatting shit.

You wont answer my questions

[Bjornebye]

You wont answer my questions

 

I have answered your questions all over the thread. How can you suggest that a lad who decided to face forward and keep his mouth shut instead of joining in with the national anthem of a country that has pillaged his community for years is not a true reflection of his feelings? 

[Yozzer]

Hope Stig comes to Stoke with a 'Forza James McClean' banner.

[Gym Beglin]

For the last week I've seen a thread with James MacLean on the front page of the fucking forum and it needs to be stopped.

 

I fucking hate pre season internets.

[Bjornebye]

For the last week I've seen a thread with James MacLean on the front page of the fucking forum and it needs to be stopped.

 

I fucking hate pre season internets.

 

Do us all a favour and stop logging on then 

[A Red]

I have answered your questions all over the thread. How can you suggest that a lad who decided to face forward and keep his mouth shut instead of joining in with the national anthem of a country that has pillaged his community for years is not a true reflection of his feelings? 

No you havent, this is the first time you have at least tried to address what I have said.

 

I have questioned it and claimed he isnt that bothered really because, although he is probably a rich man and has the choice to do otherwise,yet he still chooses to pay his tax to HM Revenue. This, along with the opinion that he has every right to do what he wants when God Save the Queen is played, has got the following responses

 

He didnt turn around

Im talking utter shite

Im drinking mong juice

I dont know what im talking about

someone is a fucking blert

 

Its an opinion that i have made without insult, in fact with some sympathy and understanding as to why a republican might not want recognise the sovereign. So please tell me why it upsets you so.

 

I also asked why do you call Rangers huns?

[Bjornebye]

No you havent, this is the first time you have at least tried to address what I have said.

 

I have questioned it and claimed he isnt that bothered really because, although he is probably a rich man and has the choice to do otherwise,yet he still chooses to pay his tax to HM Revenue. This, along with the opinion that he has every right to do what he wants when God Save the Queen is played, has got the following responses

 

He didnt turn around

Im talking utter shite

Im drinking mong juice

I dont know what im talking about

someone is a fucking blert

 

Its an opinion that i have made without insult, in fact with some sympathy and understanding as to why a republican might not want recognise the sovereign. So please tell me why it upsets you so.

 

I also asked why do you call Rangers huns?

 

Because I disagree with you. Get it? 

 

It was a nickname given to fans of that club after a friendly game against wolves in the 60's hen a local newspaper labelled their fans "a pack of marauding huns" after they smashed the place up. It has no religious connection at all. 

[A Red]

Because I disagree with you. Get it? 

 

It was a nickname given to fans of that club after a friendly game against wolves in the 60's hen a local newspaper labelled their fans "a pack of marauding huns" after they smashed the place up. It has no religious connection at all. 

Ok so thats why you call them that.

 

I can understand you disagreeing with me, but not with the vitriol. Its not like ive disagreed with anything to do with his cause. I was going to say "Oh yeah, its the internet no-one can see you, its easy to talk the tough guy." but i dont think youre like that

 

I suspect there must be more, you seem a tad sensitive to the hint of someone being called a bit plastic. You and the Royal Navy perhaps?

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

He was press-ganged from the Lisbon. He tried to escape but overheard stories of mutiny on the mess deck whilst hiding behind a crate of Magners. Main mutineer had a dodgy leg, went by the name of Long Jim McClean.

[RobbieOR]

No you havent, this is the first time you have at least tried to address what I have said.

 

I have questioned it and claimed he isnt that bothered really because, although he is probably a rich man and has the choice to do otherwise,yet he still chooses to pay his tax to HM Revenue. This, along with the opinion that he has every right to do what he wants when God Save the Queen is played, has got the following responses

 

He didnt turn around

Im talking utter shite

Im drinking mong juice

I dont know what im talking about

someone is a fucking blert

 

Its an opinion that i have made without insult, in fact with some sympathy and understanding as to why a republican might not want recognise the sovereign. So please tell me why it upsets you so.

 

I also asked why do you call Rangers huns?

 

That's a bit of a ridiculous thing to say, though. He'd be paying it to them if he was back home in Derry. 

[A Red]

That's a bit of a ridiculous thing to say, though. He'd be paying it to them if he was back home in Derry. 

To be fair to you Robbie you probably havnt read what i said earlier in the thread. I recognise that many republicans in Derry or elswhere in NI have little or no choice but to pay their taxes to HM government. McClean probably had little or no choice but go to England to make it as a pro footballer.

 

My point is that, having made it and earning a fortune in the process, he still chooses to play  and pay his tax in England, despite the fact he could probably play anywhere in the world. I'm sure this is due in the main to the money he can earn. If he was that bothered by the fact that he was helping to fund the state that employed the soldiers that shot so many people in his home town, being probably a rich man already with transferrable skills, he would go elsewhere?

 

Of course hes bothered by it all, just not that bothered

[VladimirIlyich]

To be fair to you Robbie you probably havnt read what i said earlier in the thread. I recognise that many republicans in Derry or elswhere in NI have little or no choice but to pay their taxes to HM government. McClean probably had little or no choice but go to England to make it as a pro footballer.

 

My point is that, having made it and earning a fortune in the process, he still chooses to play and pay his tax in England, despite the fact he could probably play anywhere in the world. I'm sure this is due in the main to the money he can earn. If he was that bothered by the fact that he was helping to fund the state that employed the soldiers that shot so many people in his home town, being probably a rich man already with transferrable skills, he would go elsewhere?

 

Of course hes bothered by it all, just not that bothered

Why should he leave his own country to play football if he can stay close to friends and family? He is only a quick plane or ferry ride away and clubs here are prepared to employ him for his abilities.

This point of view doesnt make much sense to me.

[RobbieOR]

To be fair to you Robbie you probably havnt read what i said earlier in the thread. I recognise that many republicans in Derry or elswhere in NI have little or no choice but to pay their taxes to HM government. McClean probably had little or no choice but go to England to make it as a pro footballer.

 

My point is that, having made it and earning a fortune in the process, he still chooses to play  and pay his tax in England, despite the fact he could probably play anywhere in the world. I'm sure this is due in the main to the money he can earn. If he was that bothered by the fact that he was helping to fund the state that employed the soldiers that shot so many people in his home town, being probably a rich man already with transferrable skills, he would go elsewhere?

 

Of course hes bothered by it all, just not that bothered

 

I think it's very harsh to say that. it's still a bit 'if you dont like, you know where the door is' attitude and as Vlad said, he has friends and family in the UK so he would be uprooting his family.

 

You can be upset with the way a government runs a country and still stay in that country. It isn't as black and white as either staying or going.

[Spy Bee]

I'm born in England and I have fuck all time for the queen, the royal family or any other part of the national anthem. I was born in a geographical location that is a different geographical location to some other people. I didn't agree to sign up to anything.

[Sugar Ape]

To be fair to you Robbie you probably havnt read what i said earlier in the thread. I recognise that many republicans in Derry or elswhere in NI have little or no choice but to pay their taxes to HM government. McClean probably had little or no choice but go to England to make it as a pro footballer.

 

My point is that, having made it and earning a fortune in the process, he still chooses to play and pay his tax in England, despite the fact he could probably play anywhere in the world. I'm sure this is due in the main to the money he can earn. If he was that bothered by the fact that he was helping to fund the state that employed the soldiers that shot so many people in his home town, being probably a rich man already with transferrable skills, he would go elsewhere?

 

Of course hes bothered by it all, just not that bothered

He can't really go anywhere in the world though can he? He's fucking James McClean not Messi. I doubt there would be any interest from foreign clubs, and if there was they certainly wouldn't be paying as much as an English club would in wages. He's got to look after himself and his family, that doesn't mean he's not arsed.

 

This whole ' he's not that bothered ' argument is nonsensical to be honest. How do any of you know how much he cares, much less what it was like growing up where he did.

 

Some of the stuff I've seen posted is ridiculous. Such as he won't respect the national anthem but he'll spend money with the queens head on it. Er yeah, what's he supposed to do, not buy anything, ever, in cash? Or he's a fraud?

 

It's perfectly rational for him to have such a problem with the monarchy and the establishment that he won't stand for attention to the national anthem or wear a poppy, which has a different meaning where he comes from than it does in England, but not have a problem with English people in general.

 

Does the fact he touches money with the queens head on it or doesn't fly into a fit of rage when he sees a Union Jack mean his beliefs are false? No. It just means he's not a complete mong and he knows where to draw the line between reasonable protest and unreasonable protest which would make his life stupidly difficult.

[A Red]

He can't really go anywhere in the world though can he? He's fucking James McClean not Messi. I doubt there would be any interest from foreign clubs, and if there was they certainly wouldn't be paying as much as an English club would in wages. He's got to look after himself and his family, that doesn't mean he's not arsed.

 

This whole ' he's not that bothered ' argument is nonsensical to be honest. How do any of you know how much he cares, much less what it was like growing up where he did.

 

Some of the stuff I've seen posted is ridiculous. Such as he won't respect the national anthem but he'll spend money with the queens head on it. Er yeah, what's he supposed to do, not buy anything, ever, in cash? Or he's a fraud?

 

It's perfectly rational for him to have such a problem with the monarchy and the establishment that he won't stand for attention to the national anthem or wear a poppy, which has a different meaning where he comes from than it does in England, but not have a problem with English people in general.

 

Does the fact he touches money with the queens head on it or doesn't fly into a fit of rage when he sees a Union Jack mean his beliefs are false? No. It just means he's not a complete mong and he knows where to draw the line between reasonable protest and unreasonable protest which would make his life stupidly difficult.

I can only address the top bit as the rest is irrelevant to what I have said.

 

James McCLean is not top class but is a good enough footbalIer to command a good salary in any league in the world. He would get money that is a fortune to most of us, but he plays in england because he can command an even bigger fortune. Its fuck all to do with convenience, as its easy enough to get home from europe, its down to money.

 

This "not that bothered" thing. Of course i dont know the extent to which he is bothered and have no idea of being brought up in Derry. The one thing i do know is that for his protests and background it doesnt bother him enough to stop him living in england and paying his taxes to this state. On the assumption he could earn fucking great money elsewhere, that bit is clearly true and beyond dispute. There are plenty of republicans that, if they had to leave home (NI) to work and had the choice, would not choose the UK

[Bjornebye]

I can only address the top bit as the rest is irrelevant to what I have said.

 

James McCLean is not top class but is a good enough footbalIer to command a good salary in any league in the world. He would get money that is a fortune to most of us, but he plays in england because he can command an even bigger fortune. Its fuck all to do with convenience, as its easy enough to get home from europe, its down to money.

 

This "not that bothered" thing. Of course i dont know the extent to which he is bothered and have no idea of being brought up in Derry. The one thing i do know is that for his protests and background it doesnt bother him enough to stop him living in england and paying his taxes to this state. On the assumption he could earn fucking great money elsewhere, that bit is clearly true and beyond dispute. There are plenty of republicans that, if they had to leave home (NI) to work and had the choice, would not choose the UK

 

I don't think it goes that deep A red. He hasn't gone out of his way to incite something or make a political protest. He just refused to allow himself to be part of something he didn't believe in. That is his human right. 

[Jairzinho]

 

Some of the stuff I've seen posted is ridiculous. Such as he won't respect the national anthem but he'll spend money with the queens head on it. Er yeah, what's he supposed to do, not buy anything, ever, in cash? Or he's a fraud?

 

 

It's a modification of the "Champagne socialist" jibe. "Oh, you're against rampant capitalism that keeps most of the world in poverty are you? Yet you buy food!" Ha, HYPOCRITE!"

[Sugar Ape]

I can only address the top bit as the rest is irrelevant to what I have said.

 

James McCLean is not top class but is a good enough footbalIer to command a good salary in any league in the world. He would get money that is a fortune to most of us, but he plays in england because he can command an even bigger fortune. Its fuck all to do with convenience, as its easy enough to get home from europe, its down to money.

 

This "not that bothered" thing. Of course i dont know the extent to which he is bothered and have no idea of being brought up in Derry. The one thing i do know is that for his protests and background it doesnt bother him enough to stop him living in england and paying his taxes to this state. On the assumption he could earn fucking great money elsewhere, that bit is clearly true and beyond dispute. There are plenty of republicans that, if they had to leave home (NI) to work and had the choice, would not choose the UK

 

How many British footballers ply their trade abroad? I'm willing to bet if West Brom put him up for sale there would not be a single bid from a foreign club. He's pretty shit truth be told. He doesn't have to make a big financial sacrifice to prove he cares.

 

If he was earning a living in Northern Ireland he'd be paying tax to the state. So what? It's got nothing to do with his protest. You are clearly saying he's not that bothered because he lives and works in England. It's a stupid argument with little merit.

 

He's not paying all his tax directly to the queen is he, he's paying towards the NHS, the schools his family will use, subsidising Northern Ireland, a whole host of things.

[KMD7]

Sugar, Jairz, Stig and Robbie know

[A Red]

If he has got his agent to try and get him a move out of england/uk and there are no takers, it blows my argument out of the water.

 

Im saying hes not that bothered because he chooses to live and work in england. Plenty of republicans have had to move to the rest of the UK because it was the only choice they had to better themselves, ive no argument with that. I dont think it is stupid to say that if he felt that strongly he could choose to go elsewhere.

 

Of course his taxes fund the NHS, schools and subsidising NI. They also go (went) on the apparatus, as he probably sees it, of the foreign occupying forces. This is the reason that the full on republicans wouldnt want to contribute towards it, if they had the choice. Theres that word again.

 

I lived in Northern Ireland as a child and was at school there, i have a lot of family there and have been back to Northern Ireland many times. My family are Protestants not particularly staunch but as they say, know what side of the street they walk on. I have had discusions with many staunch republicans and I found myself having sympathy with their situation. In lots of ways their treatment was disgusting. 

 

 I'm no expert on Northern Ireland and certainly dont have the experience of growing up and working there but my opinions in this thread have been based on what they have told me not some silly "if they dont like it they can fuck off"