Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

Tbh im 100% against giving these lower paid British workers pay rises. They'll only go and waste the extra money on drink, drugs, leisure and clothing their children.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/hospitality-wages-rise-staffing-crisis-uk-b939170.html

 

If only they'd be sensible and send a chunk back each month to east European countries like Poland, Latvia and Hungary to prop up the right wing economy's that make purges against nasty socialists and gays. 

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/gays-hungary-facing-increased-government-hostility-rights-group-says-n1125846

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-11-22/lgbtq-news-homosexuality-makes-you-enemy-of-state-in-poland

 

https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/30/gay-latvian-man-dies-after-homophobic-attack-campaigners-say

[Strontium]

Eventually Gnasher will realise that a 10% pay rise isn't a pay rise if the value of your currency dropped 15% and everything costs 20% more. That will be a joyous day.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Pretty much yes, although the lower paid are thankfully seeing the biggest pay rises after Brexit...

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-08/u-k-wage-inflation-emerges-with-post-lockdown-staff-shortages

 

Plenty of links futher up page supporting the above stats..

 

As I'm feeling generous have another one... you can provide your own links to disprove these wage rises if you desire..

 

 

https://cebr.com/reports/the-times-labour-shortage-is-forcing-pay-up-but-how-long-can-it-last/

 

And another one...

 

 

https://www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/brexit-causes-workforce-shortage-wage-17085881

NHS?

Local Government?

Civil Service?

Teachers?

 

Millions of workers are getting real-term pay cuts.  Workers in hospitality and construction who get a pay-rise this year shouldn't get carried away; it won't last. Decent pay is not what the Tories mean by "the new normal".

 

 

[Mudface]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Eventually Gnasher will realise that a 10% pay rise isn't a pay rise if the value of your currency dropped 15% and everything costs 20% more. That will be a joyous day.

 

Especially if paint and turps go up by that much, he'll have to find a different cocktail.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

37 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

If only they'd be sensible and send a chunk back each month to east European countries like Poland, Latvia and Hungary to prop up the right wing economy's 

Are you seriously judging workers by the cuntishness of their Government? Because, y'know, think that one through...

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 27/07/2021 at 16:46, Gnasher said:

 yet we continue to mock, laugh and scorn and give these poor fuckers lazy labels.

Who does that? 

 

You really do sound like every Tory's wet dream at times. There's nothing those fuckers like better than workers turning on each other; workers blaming other workers - ones even more exploited and powerless than themselves - for their shit pay and conditions, rather than blaming the Government and the bosses who actually set those shit pay and conditions. You're a stooge. A patsy. A mug.

 

Sadly there are millions like you.

[Mudface]

17 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Who does that? 

 

You really do sound like every Tory's wet dream at times. There's nothing those fuckers like better than workers turning on each other; workers blaming other workers - ones even more exploited and powerless than themselves - for their shit pay and conditions, rather than blaming the Government and the bosses who actually set those shit pay and conditions. You're a stooge. A patsy. A mug.

 

Sadly there are millions like you.

A useful idiot is a good description.

[Megadrive Man]

27 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Eventually Gnasher will realise that a 10% pay rise isn't a pay rise if the value of your currency dropped 15% and everything costs 20% more. That will be a joyous day.

 

 

Only 20%?

 

The price of Timber has gone up by nearly 40% since January as a direct result of Brexit. Steel has gone up by about a third. 

 

Now obviously these aren't essential, everyday items but my boss says he's never seen anything like it since he set the business up 20 years ago. 

 

My wage is still the same as it was in January though. I suppose I can always pop in to Tesco tomorrow and demand they pay me a kings ransom to stack some shelves for them?

[Bruce Spanner]

The pound is still one fifth down on its 2016 value.
 

[Mudface]

2 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

The pound is still one fifth down on its 2016 value.
 

Yes, but if you go back exactly 5 years to just after the referendum when it had already lost a big chunk of its value, then it's hardly down at all.

[Megadrive Man]

2 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I agree but its done now, we are never going back in and thankfully the apocalypse predicted by project Fear didn't happen. I think Southern Ireland will be next, the EU are using them as a pawn in their power struggle with the UK and they are getting pissed off with it. An Irish Brexit, you heard it hear first. 

Its not the EU using Ireland as a pawn!

 

The EU have tried to resolve the issues, however Johnson has rejected them as he wants to renegotiate the deal that he agreed to eight months ago. A united Ireland is more likely than an Eirexit. 

[Arniepie]

3 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

NHS?

Local Government?

Civil Service?

Teachers?

 

Millions of workers are getting real-term pay cuts.  Workers in hospitality and construction who get a pay-rise this year shouldn't get carried away; it won't last. Decent pay is not what the Tories mean by "the new normal".

 

 

We have had fuck all for the best part of 8 years,  so be interesting to see what we get offered next year.

And whilst no one would begrudge the lowest paid getting a bonus, something tells me waiting on staff getting a raise wasnt top of the list when it was thrased out by reece mogg and co.

[Gnasher]

Wow, these pay rises seem to have really upset a few right wingers on here..

 

Good unbiased article this, 

 

https://moneyweek.com/economy/uk-economy/603381/the-answer-to-britains-staff-shortages-raise-wages

 

 

[Gnasher]

12 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Who does that? 

 

A lot of people unfortunately,. You've heard the old 'lazy brits' slurs.. mostly prompted by the tories, remember the  'staying in all day with the blinds closed' nonsense from George Osborne? seems to go in circles one decade its the brits who are lazy and useless the next it's the overseas workers and if not them its the youngests. Its a game they play and unfortunately people do fall for it. 

12 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

You really do sound like every Tory's wet dream at times. There's nothing those fuckers like better than workers turning on each other; workers blaming other workers -

 

Where have I blamed other workers? The country needs immigration to stay healthy. I'm blaming this  EU/Capitalist policy of flooding the mainly low paid sector with cheap labour. In no way do I lay any blame on the overseas workers themselves. Although as an aside the system does give European workers an unfair advantage over those from futher afield.

12 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

ones even more exploited and powerless than themselves - for their shit pay and conditions, rather than blaming the Government and the bosses who actually set those shit pay and conditions. 

 

Oh but I do blame the bosses and the government who set them shit pay and conditions Angry but I also blame the EU for setting up a system with our government which has now been proven to have suppressed the wage rates for some of the poorest people in this country. 

12 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

You're a stooge. A patsy. A mug.

 

Sadly there are millions like you.

You forgot 'paint drinker' in that little tirade Angry.... seems to be the latest in vogue insult. 

 

 

Anyway, I've posted it elsewhere but heres an article (by a remainer)on why immigration in general is vital but why the solution to staff shortages after Brexit must be higher wages, if you fancy a read that is...

 

 

https://moneyweek.com/economy/uk-economy/603381/the-answer-to-britains-staff-shortages-raise-wages

[Gnasher]

13 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

NHS?

Local Government?

Civil Service?

Teachers?

 

Millions of workers are getting real-term pay cuts.  Workers in hospitality and construction who get a pay-rise this year shouldn't get carried away; it won't last. Decent pay is not what the Tories mean by "the new normal".

 

 

I note the professions you list have had a certain amount of protection from casual overseas labour, i'd suggest the amount of casual east European workers operating in the civil service is low, so your list sort of proves the point.

 

 

These rises are at the moment obviously affecting the private sector and proffesions with the highest amount of low paid and overseas casual workers. 

 

Like below,

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/business/pubs-restaurants-uk-resort-offering-staff-bonuses-beat-workers-shortage-brexit-covid-1034642

 

 

 

[Rico1304]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19467004.retailers-blame-brexit-food-shortages-sweep-across-scotlands-stores/

[Mudface]

15 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19467004.retailers-blame-brexit-food-shortages-sweep-across-scotlands-stores/

My eldest is working in the local ScotMid- about the size of a large Spar. The empty shelves there are nothing to do with Covid, the shop's been fully staffed all along. They're getting about 1/3 of the deliveries they used to get, there's nothing waiting in the stock room to be put out. It's the same in several other villages around us, and the larger stores in the city.

 

He certainly hasn't had a pay rise and neither has anyone else working there. They're more likely to be cutting staff in the future as they're losing sales.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Wow, these pay rises seem to have really upset a few right wingers on here..

 

Good unbiased article this, 

 

https://moneyweek.com/economy/uk-economy/603381/the-answer-to-britains-staff-shortages-raise-wages

 

 

Who?  Who is upset by pay rises?

[TheBitch]

1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Who?  Who is upset by pay rises?

You. 
 

Durrrrrrr.  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

I note the professions you list have had a certain amount of protection from casual overseas labour, i'd suggest the amount of casual east European workers operating in the civil service is low, so your list sort of proves the point.

 

 

These rises are at the moment obviously affecting the private sector and proffesions with the highest amount of low paid and overseas casual workers. 

 

Like below,

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/business/pubs-restaurants-uk-resort-offering-staff-bonuses-beat-workers-shortage-brexit-covid-1034642

 

 

 

You note incorrectly.  We don't have "protection" from bastard forrins swarming over here and taking our jobs.  If you bothered to pay attention, you'd realise that huge chunks of the public sector have been outsourced and that the agencies have, for years, relied on migrant workers. 

[Gnasher]

12 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Who?  Who is upset by pay rises?

Hmm, well I'm glad you're not upset Angry because bespite what a few say on here the evidence has become overwhelming, even former remainers are admitting they got it wrong..

 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/16/uk-wage-growth-at-new-decade-high.html

[deiseach]

12 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Who?  Who is upset by pay rises?

Dude, why do you bother?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Where have I blamed other workers? 

No blame on the EU workers... but thank fuck they've gone because they were holding us Brits back!

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

You forgot 'paint drinker' in that little tirade Angry.... seems to be the latest in vogue insult. 

I'm not (often) into gratuitous insults.  I just think that anyone celebrating this slight & temporary increase in some people's wages as if it's a vindication of Brexit (as "delivered" by the right wing of the Tory Party) is falling for a classic divide-and-rule con trick.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

6 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Hmm, well I'm glad you're not upset Angry because bespite what a few say on here the evidence has become overwhelming, even former remainers are admitting they got it wrong..

 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/16/uk-wage-growth-at-new-decade-high.html

What was the average increase in wage? What was the figure without bonuses? Is this including all workers at all levels? 
 

Thought this was the most telling bit.
 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Hmm, well I'm glad you're not upset Angry because bespite what a few say on here the evidence has become overwhelming, even former remainers are admitting they got it wrong..

 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/16/uk-wage-growth-at-new-decade-high.html

That's two years old, before Brexit. 

 

You said that people on here were upset by pay rises (and I assume you mean this year's pay rises).  I've not seen anybody upset by that.