Analysis: How Lucas controlled the game

[stringvest]

It's the unnecessary use of superlatives for a good performance against submissive opposition.  Gerrard had a great game, as did Henderson.

[stringvest]

Hamann has better posiitoning than Lucas, I just want to clarify that.

 

But I as much as I rate Hamann and Mascherano, they don't trump Lucas in every department of their games.  They are better holding midfielders all round, but Lucas has strings to his bow that do rival them.

 

I'd like to know what they are.

 

Certainly not in terms of ball retention, positioning, tackling, passing, goal threat, reading the game, or influencing it.  

 

Lucas definitely has better hair (these days), a nicer smile, and is more loyal - although that has yet to be tested by Barcelona coming in for him.

[Pureblood]

It's the unnecessary use of superlatives for a good performance against submissive opposition.  Gerrard had a great game, as did Henderson.

 

But you've got a massive blind spot so your opinion is pretty much worthless on this subject.  You wanted him dropped and then he completed 97% of his passes to help us smash Fulham 4-0.  And still you're not even humble enough to admit that you were wrong on this occasion at the very least.   

[Guest LFD]

It's the unnecessary use of superlatives for a good performance against submissive opposition.  Gerrard had a great game, as did Henderson.

 

I thought Gerrard had a great game, was ace seeing have freedom to go forward more with Coutinho dropping back at times.

 

I thought Lucas was very good, not great but an important cog.

 

Henderson was great defensively and with his pressing.  But on the ball I think he was sloppy at times, but the pass for Suarez was nice to see.

[Guest LFD]

I'd like to know what they are.

 

I said them on the previous page.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Hamann has better posiitoning than Lucas, I just want to clarify that.

 

But I as much as I rate Hamann and Mascherano, they don't trump Lucas in every department of their games.  They are better holding midfielders all round, but Lucas has strings to his bow that do rival them.

As I said before, mate: we are clearly coming at this from two different perspectives. I think that's one of the more ludicrous things I've heard on this forum by any poster. Ever. I generally really like your posts, but we couldn't be further apart on this.

 

I can be quite concise about Lucas, really; he's a decent player, with pretty much middle of the road attributes, with better than average tackling and significantly below average mobility and positioning (which is why teams find it easy to either pass around him or take it past him). Other than that, he's the best and only defensive midfielder at the club.

[Jairzinho]

Anyone know how long his contract is?

[stringvest]

But you've got a massive blind spot so your opinion is pretty much worthless on this subject.  You wanted him dropped and then he completed 97% of his passes to help us smash Fulham 4-0.  And still you're not even humble enough to admit that you were wrong on this occasion at the very least.   

 

Everyone had a good game, apart from the left back.  I wouldn't read too much into that, as Fulham were an exceptionally soft touch.  Gerrard looked like the world class player he singularly failed to do against Arsenal.  

 

If Allen had played we'd have won 6-0.  No need for humility here.  

[stringvest]

Anyone know how long his contract is?

 

A4, so about 300 by 210 mm

[Jairzinho]

Everyone had a good game, apart from the left back.  I wouldn't read too much into that, as Fulham were an exceptionally soft touch.  Gerrard looked like the world class player he singularly failed to do against Arsenal.  

 

If Allen had played we'd have won 6-0.  No need for humility here.  

 

No way is Allen better than Gerrard.

[Jairzinho]

A4, so about 300 by 210 mm

 

He deserves A3.

[Guest LFD]

I think that's one of the more ludicrous things I've heard on this forum by any poster. Ever.

 

I don't mind disagreeing, but comments like that get a big fat neg from me.

 

It not exactly ludicrous saying his passing is just as good,if not better than Mascherano and Hamann.   It is not like I am comparing his passing to Alonso, Gerrard, Pirlo or...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Allen! haha

[Guest LFD]

No way is Allen better than Gerrard.

 

Allen isn't better than Lucas, Henderson or Gerrard, he's on the bench for very good reason!

[Jairzinho]

Allen isn't better than Lucas, Henderson or Gerrard, he's on the bench for very good reason!

 

I was doing a joke. You've fucking ruined it now.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

I don't mind disagreeing, but comments like that get a big fat neg from me.

 

It not exactly ludicrous saying his passing is just as good,if not better than Mascherano and Hamann.   It is not like I am comparing his passing to Alonso, Gerrard, Pirlo or...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Allen! haha

Well, you're just going to have to get over the simple fact that I think it's a fucking hideous thing to say. Negging me isn't going to stop be saying what I think of that comment. I stand by it.

[Jairzinho]

Hamann was a better passer than Lucas. Not much in it between Lucas and Mascherano, for me.

[stringvest]

I was doing a joke. You've fucking ruined it now.

 

It was a good joke.  He's a spoilsport.

[stringvest]

Well, you're just going to have to get over the simple fact that I think it's a fucking hideous thing to say. Negging me isn't going to stop be saying what I think of that comment. I stand by it.

 

hardly hideous, just completely and utterly wrong.  

[Guest LFD]

Hamann was a better passer than Lucas. 

 

Was he?  I think they are very similar, keeping it simple but effective more often than not.

[Jairzinho]

It was a good joke.  He's a spoilsport.

 

Another setback to my joke completion rate.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

hardly hideous, just completely and utterly wrong.

For me, to suggest that his positioning, which often gets him caught out, is better than Mascheranos is hideous. To suggest his passing is better than Hamann, in my opinion, is ludicrous. As would suggesting Allen is a better passer than Pirlo. Which, despite some strange dig from LFD, nobody has ever done.

[Guest LFD]

hardly hideous, just completely and utterly wrong.  

 

Just like opinion on Lucas - BOOM!

[Pureblood]

I don't mind disagreeing, but comments like that get a big fat neg from me.

 

It not exactly ludicrous saying his passing is just as good,if not better than Mascherano and Hamann.   It is not like I am comparing his passing to Alonso, Gerrard, Pirlo or...

 

 

Loves a bit of hyperbole, does NV.  Nothing wrong with what you're saying at all.  Hamann and Mascherano had/have pretty rudimentary passing games (i.e. mostly basic passing but very effective)..  

[stringvest]

Just like opinion on Lucas - BOOM!

 

shake shake shake the room.  I feel a 90's revival coming on.  

[Jairzinho]

Was he?  I think they are very similar, keeping it simple but effective more often than not.

 

Agreed, in general. I think Hamann had a little more range to his passing. He was also an incredibly intelligent player, spotting things very early. Plenty of time for Lucas to continue developing that side of his game here.