Straw refuses Shields pardon

[109_ultra]

Sheilds' Mob are not demanding a re-trial; they are demanding him to be pardoned and freed - despite him (Shields) being identified by the victim and independant witnesses at the scene.

 

That would be the ID parade he was in with 5 indigenous Bulgarian men with thick heads of black hair, after being handcuffed to a radiator in the reception of the station he was being held in whilst in full view of said witnesses.

 

The whole thing stinks of shit. Bin it on the footy fan, any footy fan we can find. Its scary to think an innocent person can go away in Europe to watch a footy game and be treated with no human rights at all.

 

What happened to being innocent until proven guilty? Michael wasn't even afforded that privilege and those casting dispersions on the back of some non-decision from a spineless politician should be ashamed.

[philyhamann]

Is that a fact? Where did you hear that?

 

icLiverpool - Michael Shields passes lie detector test

 

So unless you think Michael Shields is a genius, psychopathic killer who can knows how to pass these tests..

[ToxtethTerror]

Spineless politician? It is FAR FAR easier to pardon him than not do so mate.

[Bourbon]

Do you really need to ask?

 

 

I wasn't asking, I was giving opinion and thought.

[Guest Ulysses Everett McGill]

You mean the queue of people outside Shields' room stretching halfway around the block who were just there on the off-chance to see what Mikey was up to?

 

Just as credible as your independant witnesses, no?

 

Or are you suggesting the staff at the Hotel where somehow forced to lie?

[Stevie P]

Who needs enemies eh. Must be the scouse accent.

[ToxtethTerror]

Momo is about to explode.

[dirty_sanchez]

Not sure I agree with that Rash, but the point is that if Jack Straw truly believed that Shields was innocent, he could have pardoned him completely. Perhaps the lie detector test was not carried out under proper conditions or something like that, I don't know.

[109_ultra]

Spineless politician? It is FAR FAR easier to pardon him than not do so mate.

 

How when the official statement you yourself quoted said the test was 'very high'.

 

Its a crock of shit. So to be guilty you have to convinced 'beyond reasonable doubt' he was guilty which they never even achieved in the sham trial. Yet to grant the pardon it must be set in stone he was innocent. Where's the logic?

[M_B]

The BBC article says

 

"He is already due for release in May 2010."

 

Is that correct ?

[Dicko]

Spineless politician? It is FAR FAR easier to pardon him than not do so mate.

 

No it wasn't. I'd suggest you read up on this far more before you make sweeping statements like that.

[FranStan]

Good for Straw that he didn't yield to the baying mob.

 

Fucking hell, thats shocking.:(

 

is there any moderation on this place?

[Stevie P]

The BBC article says

 

"He is already due for release in May 2010."

 

Is that correct ?

 

Yep.

[DonaldDonaldson]

Just as credible as your independant witnesses, no?

 

Or are you suggesting the staff at the Hotel where somehow forced to lie?

 

 

Ask Anthony Wilson and Bradley Thompson what happened.

[rebel23]

Straw is a horrible cunt, can't wait until this lot are kicked out.

[Dicko]

The BBC article says

 

"He is already due for release in May 2010."

 

Is that correct ?

 

It was originally 18 years, then reduced to 10 on appeal you're entitled to parole after half that time, so is probably the main reason why Jack Straw has come to this non decision.

 

Jack Straw a man who has slithered his way through government without ever making a serious decision.

[ToxtethTerror]

Not sure I agree with that Rash, but the point is that if Jack Straw truly believed that Shields was innocent, he could have pardoned him completely. Perhaps the lie detector test was not carried out under proper conditions or something like that, I don't know.

 

Mate lie detecter tests are not accurate enough to make judicial decisions with.

[Best Believe It]

Not sure I agree with that Rash, but the point is that if Jack Straw truly believed that Shields was innocent, he could have pardoned him completely. Perhaps the lie detector test was not carried out under proper conditions or something like that, I don't know.

 

My understanding is that lie detector tests are hugely unreliable and I'm not even sure such a test is admissible anyway.

 

EDIT: Rashid got there first.

[Jurgens Red Army]

Shocking the lad is clearly innocent.

[DonaldDonaldson]

Fucking hell, thats shocking.:(

 

is there any moderation on this place?

 

 

What? You want opposing opinions suppressed?

[reder]

Yet to grant the pardon it must be set in stone he was innocent.

 

That is where the danger lies. People are looking at this pardon as one case but there is a bigger picture here. It's not a simple as this one case. If he was/is granted the pardon, then it opens a door for other cases where British citizens have been convicted abroad.

 

Straw needed to be very careful with this one. It was/is a potential time bomb for future appeals and cases (outside Michael's)

[Dicko]

My understanding is that lie detector tests are hugely unreliable and I'm not even sure such a test is admissible anyway.

 

EDIT: Rashid got there first.

 

It's true, but the lad passed it with a 99.4% score. One of the highest scores ever produced in this country.

 

Not saying they are reliable as 75% is the pass rate, but the fella who did it with him was impressed.

[Dicko]

What? You want opposing opinions suppressed?

 

No it was calling his family and his supporters a baying mob that upset him, and me.

 

Fucking belt up.

[philyhamann]

Fucking hell, thats shocking.:(

 

is there any moderation on this place?

 

People are allowed their opinion no matter what it is on here, unless its blatant wind up merchantry as it looks like in this case.

[Stevie P]

Fucking hell, thats shocking.:(

 

is there any moderation on this place?

 

Don't react, it's what he wants. Just a bitter coward.