Fuck off, Boris

[bobhorse]

Boris will do more damage to the whole Tory cause then anything that Labour could hope to do. IMHO

 

As for L7 I have spent most of my life in L4 L5 L6 L7 L8 and what I can tell you about it is you learn to survive, it is a better educational ground than any university could ever hope to be in preparing a person for the big wild world

I know I could be dropped anywhere on the Planet and have a better than even chance of surviving thanks to my upbringing, as would most others from that background

[Kopite]

Because it was a very good analogy, Jewish or not. If you can find me a better example of people saying they are 'Just doing their job', when what they are doing is wrong, than the Concentration camp guards then I'd be very surprised. And the journalist told him he was Jewish AFTER the comment. Your black example is terrible Col, you're not even considering the context of the comment, again. Find the older thread and I'm sure we did this dance before and you had the facts wrong there too.

 

No it isn't Stu. When has it become acceptable to compare people to the worst crime in human history (in my opinion)?

 

Sorry, but you're a hypocrite mate. You allowed that Muslim lad to be racist in the previous threads about Israel and never challenged him, yet you're the first to wade in when it's the other way round.

 

I take it you've watched the "Eric Cartman in the 25th Century" episode of South Park?

 

"Let us not forget the great Richard Dawkins who finally freed the world of religion long ago. Dawkins knew logic and reason were the way of the future. But it wasn't until he met his beautiful wife. That he learned using logic and reason isn't enough. You have to be a dick to everyone who doesn't think like you."

 

You're posting style is reminiscent of the above statement. If someone doesn't think that like you then you try to mock/belittle them "I'm sure we did this dance before and you had the facts wrong there too."

 

I didn't have my facts wrong. The fact is you detest Israeli imperialism and have difficulty separating Judaism from the politics of Israel.

[rb14]

It's more his love-ins with imams who favour stoning gay people and suicide bombing, getting pally-pally with communist dictators and lavishing a small fortune on his own self-promotion that I have a problem with.

I can understand people having a hard time liking Ken Livingstone. Having read a couple of his books, I can't say I agree with his politics. Nevertheless, this is the guy who hung an enormous banner outside his office - directly opposite the houses of parliament - stating daily the total number of unemployed. He worked tirelessly to promote otherwise-trampled causes. He gave a voice to Irish nationalists who at that time could not even have their voices broadcast. He created policies (Fares Fair) that at a stroke cut traffic in London by 30% and made public transport popular.

 

Londoners consistently voted to re-elect him at the helm of the GLC, to the extent that Thatcher could only abolish the entire organisation. If that's not a measure of success, nothing is. Londoners still re-elect him.

 

I cannot imagine facing a London being run by some fat bumbling viscious poncey-faced tory twat like Boris Johnson. If a change is needed, let's at least have an election whereby people vote on policies, not personalities. Johnson appears vacuous. Some people find his manner appealing (hence his appearances on "Have I Got News For You"). He's not. He's an Eton-educated elitist who will be anything but positive for London.

 

And just in case you're wondering what this has to do with Liverpool, here's the BBC article regarding Boris's apology for the statements in the magazine he edits:

 

Boris sorry for Scouse stereotype

 

Mr Johnson is travelling to Liverpool

Boris Johnson has said sorry for perpetuating an "outdated stereotype" of Liverpool in an article on the death of British hostage Ken Bigley.

The Spectator editor, who is also Tory culture spokesman, is due to travel to the city to apologise in person.

 

An article in the magazine suggested grieving Liverpudlians were wallowing in their victim status. It also attributed blame to drunken Liverpool football fans for the 1989 Hillsborough disaster in which 96 died.

 

'Misrepresenting'

 

Now - in a letter to the Liverpool Daily Post - Mr Johnson says: "I am sorry, too, for the hurt and dismay we have so evidently caused in our description of Liverpool. "There may well be Liverpudlians who still answer to the characteristics in question, just as there are all over the country. We should not have generalised. "And we should clearly not have blamed drunken fans at the back, when this cause was specifically ruled out by the inquiry report. "Anyone, journalist or politician, should say sorry to the people of Liverpool - as I do - for misrepresenting what happened at Hillsborough."

"I repeat that the leader [spectator leading article] made a serious point about risk and sentimentality, and the culture of blame, and I stick by it. In so far as it imposed an outdated stereotype on the whole of Liverpool, and thereby caused offence, I sincerely apologise."

 

Beheaded

 

Ahead of his visit betting chain William Hill said some punters were backing Mr Johnson to become prime minister, on or before 31 December 2014, at odds of 66/1. The bookmaker is also quoting odds of 25/1 on him becoming the next Tory leader. "We have been a little surprised to take several bets for Boris both to lead his Party and the country in recent days," said a spokesman. Party leader Michael Howard told Mr Johnson to go to Liverpool saying his article was "nonsense from beginning to end."

 

Mr Bigley was beheaded by the Tawhid and Jihad group, led by Jordanian militant Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi earlier this month. He had been kidnapped while working in Iraq.

[thechap]

He probably gives Polly Toynbee the same time of day as all non-Guardian readers do.

 

Spot on. I respect anyone with the guts to say what they think and to stand by their beliefs. Not this silly cow who is a passionate socialist only because she is rich enough to be so.

 

There are very few colourful characters in politics these days and too many yes-men. Boris is not a yes-man and would represent London far better than the terrorists friend Red Ken.

[thechap]

Because it was a very good analogy, Jewish or not. If you can find me a better example of people saying they are 'Just doing their job', when what they are doing is wrong, than the Concentration camp guards then I'd be very surprised. And the journalist told him he was Jewish AFTER the comment. Your black example is terrible Col, you're not even considering the context of the comment, again. Find the older thread and I'm sure we did this dance before and you had the facts wrong there too.

 

Think you're wrong there mate. Red Ken knew this Standard journo for a long time beforehand and found him a real irritant. I have no doubt he knew he was Jewish.

[Stu Monty]

No it isn't Stu. When has it become acceptable to compare people to the worst crime in human history (in my opinion)?

 

Sorry, but you're a hypocrite mate. You allowed that Muslim lad to be racist in the previous threads about Israel and never challenged him, yet you're the first to wade in when it's the other way round.

 

I take it you've watched the "Eric Cartman in the 25th Century" episode of South Park?

 

"Let us not forget the great Richard Dawkins who finally freed the world of religion long ago. Dawkins knew logic and reason were the way of the future. But it wasn't until he met his beautiful wife. That he learned using logic and reason isn't enough. You have to be a dick to everyone who doesn't think like you."

 

You're posting style is reminiscent of the above statement. If someone doesn't think that like you then you try to mock/belittle them "I'm sure we did this dance before and you had the facts wrong there too."

 

I didn't have my facts wrong. The fact is you detest Israeli imperialism and have difficulty separating Judaism from the politics of Israel.

 

You're so wrong it's painful. If you can't take a little poke like the comment above then you're less of a man than I thought you were. I am almost always respectful of people's opinions even if I vehmently disagree with them, the main exception being religion.

 

Your assertion that I let racism go if it against Jews is again wrong as I've stated on many occasions, which you always choose to ignore. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with seperating Jews and the state of Isrsel or Jews who support the actions of the state and Jews who don't, or non-Jews who support that state and non-Jews who don't. And, again, as I stated, if someone says "I'm just doing my job" then it is a perfectly fair analogy to retort that the same statement came from concentration camp guards, the assertion is that you still have a moral choice in doing what you do, it's a shitty excuse that doesn't wash.

 

And considering we've never met I'd suggest you make your mind up about me being a dick to everyone who disagree's with me because calling me mate seems to suggest a mixed message, no?

[Chris]

Oh snap! A fight between Kopite and Monty. Let's get it on!

[Strontium]

There are very few colourful characters in politics these days and too many yes-men. Boris is not a yes-man and would represent London far better than the terrorists friend Red Ken.

 

To be honest, between Ken and Boris it'd be something of a tallest dwarf contest.

 

I am delighted that Brian Paddick has decided to seek our nomination because I think he could give the other two a real run for their money.

[Kopite]

Your assertion that I let racism go if it against Jews is again wrong as I've stated on many occasions, which you always choose to ignore. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with seperating Jews and the state of Isrsel or Jews who support the actions of the state and Jews who don't, or non-Jews who support that state and non-Jews who don't. And, again, as I stated, if someone says "I'm just doing my job" then it is a perfectly fair analogy to retort that the same statement came from concentration camp guards, the assertion is that you still have a moral choice in doing what you do, it's a shitty excuse that doesn't wash.

 

I've chosen to ignore nothing. I can't remember his name (he was banned) but you never once challenged his blatant racism.

 

I believe, like thechap alludes to, that Livingstone knew the reporter was Jewish, and that is why I find this disgraceful behaviour from anyone, never mind a pin-up for the liberal left. I'd never make any sort of jibe about the holocaust to anyone, let alone someone I suspected to be Jewish.

 

And considering we've never met I'd suggest you make your mind up about me being a dick to everyone who disagree's with me because calling me mate seems to suggest a mixed message, no?

 

My apologies then, but in my opinion you come across as very dismissive of other people's views. I had my fill of people dismissing others views like that whilst I was at University.

 

It really p*ssed me off that you couldn't have a debate with them without them trying to belittle your point of view or calling you names. You've done it with religion as you acknowledge. You preach tolerance and understanding, yet mock people who believe in something that for your own reasons you struggle with.

 

True religious people don't kill anyone. People blame religion for the inadequacies of humanity.

 

God doesn't cause wars, and neither do his/her true followers. It's the moron's who pick and choose what they want to believe. These people pick up a verse from the Bible/Koran that preaches respect for your fellow man and turn it into murder and mayhem.

[Elmyn Noos]

To be honest, between Ken and Boris it'd be something of a tallest dwarf contest.

 

I am delighted that Brian Paddick has decided to seek our nomination because I think he could give the other two a real run for their money.

 

Ha ha. He's a plod, and he's a bummer. He's got about much chance of becoming mayor of London as Menzies the Merciless has of becoming PM.

[Elmyn Noos]

I was told a good joke about the holocaust once but I forgot it. I think the punchline was along the lines of "I think I left the gas on", or something.

 

Funny it was too.

[Stu Monty]

I've chosen to ignore nothing. I can't remember his name (he was banned) but you never once challenged his blatant racism.

 

I believe, like thechap alludes to, that Livingstone knew the reporter was Jewish, and that is why I find this disgraceful behaviour from anyone, never mind a pin-up for the liberal left. I'd never make any sort of jibe about the holocaust to anyone, let alone someone I suspected to be Jewish.

 

 

 

My apologies then, but in my opinion you come across as very dismissive of other people's views. I had my fill of people dismissing others views like that whilst I was at University.

 

It really p*ssed me off that you couldn't have a debate with them without them trying to belittle your point of view or calling you names. You've done it with religion as you acknowledge. Wouldn't the world be boring if we all believed the same thing.

 

Should we be so tighly-alligned with Europe at the expense of the Commonwealth?

Xenophobe.

 

Controlling Immigration so that honest people come here to work and not criminals?

Racist.

 

Parents being responsible for teaching their children sexual morality? Homophobe.

 

Belief in God/Religion?

Wibble - NUTTER.

 

 

You're misrepresenting me and my posting. Even on the topic where I most resemble your cartoon vision of me, religion, I have never insinuated that the posters who hold the opposite views are nutters.

[Kopite]

You're misrepresenting me and my posting. Even on the topic where I most resemble your cartoon vision of me, religion, I have never insinuated that the posters who hold the opposite views are nutters.

 

In your cartoon vision, you're much taller.

[Stu Monty]

In your cartoon vision, you're much taller.

 

Heightist.

[Section_31]

Ha ha. He's a plod, and he's a bummer. He's got about much chance of becoming mayor of London as Menzies the Merciless has of becoming PM.

 

:D

[Kopite]

Heightist.

 

Religionist. ;)

[Strontium]

Ha ha. He's a plod, and he's a bummer. He's got about much chance of becoming mayor of London as Menzies the Merciless has of becoming PM.

 

Fortunately the majority of Londoners are mature enough to realise that being gay and being a copper are no bar to public office. Brian Paddick is very popular in London, and justifiably so. He also has the advantage over his two main rivals of not being an utter cunt.

[Kopite]

Boris Johnson

Ken Livingstone

Brian Paddick

 

Where do I sign up?

[Strontium]

I think the BNP is still looking for a candidate :thumbup: ;)

[Kopite]

I think the BNP is still looking for a candidate :thumbup: ;)

 

They won't have me as I consist of more than two cells.

[Elmyn Noos]

Fortunately the majority of Londoners are mature enough to realise that being gay and being a copper are no bar to public office. Brian Paddick is very popular in London, and justifiably so. He also has the advantage over his two main rivals of not being an utter cunt.

 

Is this the Lib dem definition of popular then? If you count the votes in a different way we'd have won...

 

Being a policegay is not going to help in his bid to win public office, but it's not as great a disadvantage as standing as the LibDem candidate.

[Strontium]

Is this the Lib dem definition of popular then?

 

No, he actually is popular. As in people generally like him.

 

If you count the votes in a different way we'd have won...

 

I don't get this bit.

 

Being a policegay is not going to help in his bid to win public office, but it's not as great a disadvantage as standing as the LibDem candidate.

 

Well we'll see won't we. To be honest I think people care less about party politics when they're electing a mayor, and just want someone who is going to be a good figurehead and to do a good job.

[Elmyn Noos]

No, he actually is popular. As in people generally like him.

 

 

 

I don't get this bit.

 

 

 

Well we'll see won't we. To be honest I think people care less about party politics when they're electing a mayor, and just want someone who is going to be a good figurehead and to do a good job.

 

 

We will indeed. I think, however, we'll see that Londoners will prefer a mayor doesn't wait with his cock in a sock for Reg Hollis to appear on The Bill.

[Chris]

One Boris Johnson... there's only one Boris Johnson!

[Elmyn Noos]

I'm with Affleck on this one. Go Boris. A blistering aristo-juggernaut of socially unacceptable snobbery presiding over a cultural bog filled to the brim with the world's puke.

 

I do like Ken, even if only for putting that whining fuck journo in his place (unfortunately not literally in the concentration camp in question), but surely any neutral can't wait for the Boris panto to get into full swing!