Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Whelan]

I know, but this is England and he should have been made more aware of the culture differences.

 

This doesn't make him racist, but it makes him ignorant IMO.

 

That is ignorant what you have just posted!

 

Yes you are in England now, so you do as we do! Absolute bollocks.

 

And he isn't being charged with being ignorant! Just like to mention that fact, in this rush to be the most pc poster!

[ngogswilly]

So why did that Honduran minister resign after calling Obama a 'negrito'? Clearly it caused a bit of a stir in that South American country.

 

He could have called him Mr Jolly Happy Funtime Guy but had the American media disagreed with that he'd have resigned.

 

Its been stated already negrito is a commonly used non-racist term in South america. But you know full well saying it about Obama would cause outrage in America. That would be a huge problem for any central/south american nation.

[ngogswilly]

If Suarez actually hasn't admitted saying "Negrito" in any sort of interview shouldn't this be brought to the attention of the media because I'm fairly certain they've established it as fact that he said it.

 

So the only other thing I can think of is has he said it in a statement to the FA?

 

If he hasn't said it couldn't he just sue the bollox off all the papers who've said he has.

[Frankenhooker]

This is how racist 'Negrito' is in South America.

 

Negrito | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

[Jack the Sipper]

He could have called him Mr Jolly Happy Funtime Guy but had the American media disagreed with that he'd have resigned.

 

Its been stated already negrito is a commonly used non-racist term in South america. But you know full well saying it about Obama would cause outrage in America. That would be a huge problem for any central/south american nation.

 

Perhaps, but even that would suggest that South Americans are at least aware that other nations don't look on the use of the word with the same affection as they do. Was Suarez ignorant as to how people here might misinterpret the term as it's used there? I feel that will be at the centre of the case - if, of course, the whole 'negrito' claim has any substance at all. For all we know, we could be debating something which has no bearing on the case.

[VladimirIlyich]

So the word 'negrito' being used is pure speculation? How the fuck do you charge somebody with no evidence.

 

Its like the deep south inside that FA committe and old whisky nose is the big boss man.

Pathetic.

[goatboy59]

Evra said "he used a certain word at least ten times".

 

Kudos if you knew that was "negrito", chances are you thought it was the other one, the nasty one.

 

Evra misheard the same word over 10 times? Or, from the moment he goes to French Tv and not the authorities, he was up to no good from the off.

 

If, however, he intends telling the FA it was The Nasty One that might be enough confusion to ease Suarez out of danger, especially as at least 5m Manc arse lickers in the press have already done the groundwork for this nonsense.

 

Unless the FA intend to be scapegoat searching, attention shifting twats, which is now the real worry.

[beejay]

So why did that Honduran minister resign after calling Obama a 'negrito'? Clearly it caused a bit of a stir in that South American country.

 

No it didn't, it was the yanks (am I allowed to say that?) who kicked up the fuss.

 

The FA should have the fuckin brains to understand that :

 

a) Evra misconstrued what Luis was saying. He thought he was being called a derivative of negro = nigger so took offence and

 

b) Suarez used a word in common use in his own country without appreciating that it could be construed as racially offensive

 

That's the end of the fuckin story but the FA are too shitscared that dismissing the charge will leave them open to a media storm about being soft on racism and then the Terry & Blatter outbursts have meant it's the big issue at the moment

[ChrisM]

The FA should have the fuckin brains to understand that :

 

a) Evra misconstrued what Luis was saying. He thought he was being called a derivative of negro = nigger so took offence and

 

b) Suarez used a word in common use in his own country without appreciating that it could be construed as racially offensive

 

That's the end of the fuckin story but the FA are too shitscared that dismissing the charge will leave them open to a media storm about being soft on racism and then the Terry & Blatter outbursts have meant it's the big issue at the moment

 

This is so completely bang on the money, absolutely 100% agree with this.

 

Well done mate.

[LFC64]

Literal translations mean fuck all!

 

It is how and when the word is used!

 

I don't know if I have misreadt the statement but it doesn't actually say that he has been charged for a racial comment, but because he refered to his colour!

 

Suarez should sue the FA for racism, for not taking the time to understand his culture.

 

Bang on mate..errr. pal....errrr....amigo.

 

Literal translation is futile and completely misses the point

[VladimirIlyich]

And meanwhile a certain white player and captain of his country is caught on camera using racially abusive language but is still allowed to continue tocaptain his country

Hypocritical twats.

[Tyler Durden]

i´m not gonna read everything on the thread but i´ll throw my two cents in.

 

the use of negro is used all the time here in colombia and throughout latin america.

 

it has completely different connotations than it would have in english.

 

people are a lot less pc obviously and will refer to their family' date=' friends or strangers with references such as [i']indio, gordo-fat, flaco-skinny, negro, etc...[/i].

if i´m in the street strangers will frequently refer to me not only as gringo but more commonly as mono-monkey which is used for referring to people with very light skin or in my case, good solid pasty irish skin. i wouldnt take monito as a slur at all.

 

i don´t know all the ins and outs of either case but perhaps this case is easier for the fa to make a stand on the other high profile case at the moment.

 

Are you a drugs mule? If not why are you in Columbia?

[Trumo]

Are you a drugs mule? If not why are you in Columbia?

 

He mentioned on the FF a few nights ago that his missus got him tickets to the Colombia v Argentina game. At least that's the cover story he told us.

[Major Tom]

No it didn't, it was the yanks (am I allowed to say that?) who kicked up the fuss.

 

The FA should have the fuckin brains to understand that :

 

a) Evra misconstrued what Luis was saying. He thought he was being called a derivative of negro = nigger so took offence and

 

b) Suarez used a word in common use in his own country without appreciating that it could be construed as racially offensive

 

That's the end of the fuckin story but the FA are too shitscared that dismissing the charge will leave them open to a media storm about being soft on racism and then the Terry & Blatter outbursts have meant it's the big issue at the moment

 

You are making a few assumptions there but, if what you are saying is right, it will come out in the wash and Suarez will walk away without the charges being upheld.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Personally, without making any judgement on the guilt or otherwise of Suarez, I think the FA will find him guilty and throw the book at him. It's similar to the Mascherano respect red card, where he was harshly punished because it was the hot topic of the time, like alleged racism in football is now. I think that the FA will want to protect their own reputation, being seen to do the right thing and not brush the issue of "racism" in football under the carpet. Unfortunately, irrespective of his guilt or not, I think Suarez will become the scapegoat so that the FA can come out of this smelling of roses.

 

Regarding the "negrito" thing, it's comparable to the expression people in Yorkshire use of "alright cock". People from Yorkshire use this gesture as a term of endearment, saying it without a second thought. However, anywhere else, if somebody called you cock, you'd think that it had negative connotations and that it was an insult. I think that the same applies to the use of the word "negrito" in Latin American parlance, which is regularly used with not a second thought of it's other possible interpretation.

 

If anything, I'd argue strongly that Suarez is guilty of ignorance in the cauldron like atmosphere of a Liverpool v United game. But racism? nah!

[Randy Marsh]

Evra said "he used a certain word at least ten times".

 

Kudos if you knew that was "negrito", chances are you thought it was the other one, the nasty one.

 

Evra misheard the same word over 10 times? Or, from the moment he goes to French Tv and not the authorities, he was up to no good from the off.

 

If, however, he intends telling the FA it was The Nasty One that might be enough confusion to ease Suarez out of danger, especially as at least 5m Manc arse lickers in the press have already done the groundwork for this nonsense.

 

Unless the FA intend to be scapegoat searching, attention shifting twats, which is now the real worry.

 

Yep. I still think that logically once Suarez is given the chance to plead his case with the legal support from the club this will be thrown out. However, if the FA do find him guilty I can see them absolutely going to town on Suarez and hanging him out to dry. He will be made an example of should he be found guilty, no doubt about it.

[robslappa]

The only thing Suarez has admitted to is that he said something that Evra's teammates already call him and it wasn't racist. What that word actually is, is anyone's guess.

 

The press are speculating that it's negrito, after a senior United source in one of the papers the other day, suggested that's what was said.

 

For me, this all about saving face for the FA and the mancs. United can't back down as it'll make them look stupid and the FA can't be seen to treat this matter trivially, especially in the light of Terry's outburst and if it's a case of 'he said, she said', then they have to charge him and let the case be heard, otherwise they've already taken sides.

 

In my opinion, he'll get off with it.

[Jack the Sipper]

No it didn't, it was the yanks (am I allowed to say that?) who kicked up the fuss.The FA should have the fuckin brains to understand that :

 

a) Evra misconstrued what Luis was saying. He thought he was being called a derivative of negro = nigger so took offence and

 

b) Suarez used a word in common use in his own country without appreciating that it could be construed as racially offensive

 

That's the end of the fuckin story but the FA are too shitscared that dismissing the charge will leave them open to a media storm about being soft on racism and then the Terry & Blatter outbursts have meant it's the big issue at the moment

 

I addressed that in my last post, and I accept that what you say in B could be the case. I said the same thing in that post.

 

I'm fucked of with myself that, having said I wouldn't be drawn into a discussion on something that we only have Manc friendly journo's words actually happened, I've gone and got involved.

 

I also want to say that, even if Suarez is found guilty of using racist language (and even if he admitted to using racist language) I'd still be behind him. Using racist language dosen't necessarily equate to being a racist. People say offensive things that don't reflect their views all the time when trying to wind others up. If, on the other hand, he was found to be a member of a white supremacist group...

[Il Fenomeno]

Can they ban him without concrete evidence that he was racist or Suarez confessing? I mean Busquets was never banned and we all saw him call Marcelo a monkey on camera.

[Code]

I've got a few black mates, I wouldn't dare call one of them a black midget, or refer to anyone by the colour of their skin, race, or origin.

 

Why not?

 

All the black people I know refer to themselves as black, they also refer to white people as white.

 

In my opinion comments like the ones you just posted Ant is a result of a society trying too hard to show they are not racists so they have lost the actual meaning of racism along the way and instead of doing something about racism they are now worked up trying to police pretty pathetic and irrelevant stuff like if someone use a certain word or not.

 

If people used the same time at actually trying to do something with everyday racism as they do discussing matters of no real interest like this one we would have come along way.

[MikeC]

The press are speculating that it's negrito, after a senior United source in one of the papers the other day, suggested that's what was said.

 

If the press are quoting a "senior United source" it's probably Slur Alex leaking stuff to them, and therefore I reckon it's probably the word Suarez used.

 

Don't think it's racist myself. And I'm white!

[RobbieOR]

Can they ban him without concrete evidence that he was racist or Suarez confessing? I mean Busquets was never banned and we all saw him call Marcelo a monkey on camera.

 

He wasnt. It was alleged that he said that. He said that he said 'Moro' and they couldnt prove he didnt iirc.

[milky]

This is how racist 'Negrito' is in South America.

 

Negrito | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

 

The comments after that pic, for what it's worth (posted 33 months ago).

 

aldo c zavala (33 months ago | reply)

Hopefully no one will take offense in the english speaking world, because this has no racial offensive connotations in our culture.

=)

 

Andruu's that psykoo babbler (33 months ago | reply)

yea... i know that.... that's part of the razon i thought it was so hilarious. Latin America & South America don't exactly want to recognize their perceptions of skin color and all that. I do love the name paired w/ the kids hair though. It may be reading way too much into it. ~ I mean, look at the name of the company. It means slut generally in US english. Kinda like Chevy's big flop when they tried to release the Nova in Mexico. Who wants a car that 'no va?'

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Why not?

 

All the black people I know refer to themselves as black, they also refer to white people as white.

 

In my opinion comments like the ones you just posted Ant is a result of a society trying too hard to show they are not racists so they have lost the actual meaning of racism along the way and instead of doing something about racism they are now worked up trying to police pretty pathetic and irrelevant stuff like if someone use a certain word or not.

 

If people used the same time at actually trying to do something with everyday racism as they do discussing matters of no real interest like this one we would have come along way.

 

I kind of agree with this. The line between racist behaviour has definitely been blurred by the PC brigade. I got accused of being racist by a black lapdancer for not letting her dance for me. She said I was a "chocolate hater". It was nothing to do with her skin colour, it was purely because her tits weren't big enough and she had a saggy arse.

 

I've nothing against black women. I love watching them in porn, especially when they get gangbanged by white blokes.

[Randy Marsh]

I got accused of being racist by a black lapdancer for not letting her dance for me. She said I was a "chocolate hater". It was nothing to do with her skin colour, it was purely because her tits weren't big enough and she had a saggy arse.

 

I've nothing against black women. I love watching them in porn, especially when they get gangbanged by white blokes.

 

Pfff!! Hahaha!! Quality post!