Andy Carroll mega-thread

[Jose Jones]

I watched that and all I could think of was 'The White Heskey'.

 

If it's 2000-01 Heskey all the time then that's no problem.

If it's the following ten years of Heskey's career then we may have issues.

[General Dryness]

He was shit in Moonraker.

 

Yeah, but he was fucking ace in Highlander.

[Guest TesticleOReilly]

Yeah, but he was fucking ace in Highlander.

 

Nuns. No sense of humour.

[piscinin]

If it's 2000-01 Heskey all the time then that's no problem.

If it's the following ten years of Heskey's career then we may have issues.

 

That's most likely both soft in the head being the major problem.

[General Dryness]

Nuns. No sense of humour.

 

Forgive me father, I am a worm.

[Redshadow]

No Piscinin - Try the White Drogba and you'd be closer - From what I can see of Carroll there? That man BATTERS defenders, wins headers and generally causes absolute mayhem in a way No-one I've seen does it other than the dreadlocked diving whinger at the Bridge and UNLIKE Drogba from what I've seen of him? He doesn't go down easily either and fights for nearly everything - Add that to an instinct for goal to match Drogba and our unnamed former Number 9 as well as him being a better header than both of them? Add also the fact that clip shows he's just as happy receiving passes as aerial barrages or clearing up chaos in the box as well?

 

Well, add all that together and methinks it shows someone who MIGHT just enjoy feeding off of the likes of Gerrard, Meireles and Suarez and our PASSING; In the process causing a Lot more damage than we think to our foes - All in all, we may just have got ourselves a good player - Certainly one whose FAR more up for a battle than Heskey ever was - He has the height, strength, goal-touch and power; What's more? He WILL use it - Heskey never did. Incidentally the clip also showed Carroll's goal against Chelsea with their defence in an utter mess - Along with several of their defeats this season? It shows that far more than one sulking, pouty mouthed traitorous former idol of ours will be needed to restore them to the heights and About that? Abramovich has done next to nothing - It will take a lot more than one late deadline day defender to fix THAT backline.

 

I think Suarez on his own will cause them enough problems on Sunday - With Carroll? They'd have had nightmares And Red Cards (and will in the future). Anyway, something tells me that the tackles will be FLYING in on Sunday IF you-know-who plays against us - Not much use for that price if he ends up injured is he? Methinks young Master Luis might just want to gatecrash the "Nando' show" on Sunday and he's more than able to do it - Either way? The day's events should be interesting, very interesting indeed.............

 

NB One more thing as well - It shows that All of those times we dithered under Houllier or Evans when TRYING to sign players or f*cked about on terms and let them slip away from us? Were the fault of the board and/or managers of the times. That we have initiated, developed, forced forwards and then completed a British Record Transfer Deal SMASHING the English Record - Never mind our own (until HIS move down there trumped the English Record a little later) all in One day? Shows we Can do it when we want to - We just need the right kind of forward thinking manager and board - All I can say in respect of That? Is Thank God Kenny's here;

 

Of course if it was Woy, we'd probably have just signed Zamora, and 'Scooped' the signature of Carlton Cole with 2 minutes of the window left and paying FAR to much for him as well no doubt. I think I can live with Carroll and Suarez in place of those two although it's no doubt the former two that would form Roy's Dream Team - We're lucky is all I can say that The Board made the TRULY important decision - That regarding our manager 3 weeks back. Things could have been MUCH worse than this if you think about it - We should thank our lucky stars now that they're not....................

Edited February 1, 2011 by Redshadow

[Redshadow]

One more thing; Isn't it utterly ridiculous? They In the media slate, slag off and utterly denigrate Everything we do in the Transfer Window and Football in General; Laughing at our standing and questioning repeatedly our status as a 'Big Club' And NOW? Well, now we've paid nearly half a million more than even their beloved United ever did for a striker and smashed the Transfer Record for a British Player as well as (briefly) the British Transfer Record full-stop and sold Our striker for The highest fee paid for a player in the UK EVER and one of the highest ever in World Football in addition of course to paying nearly as much as we did for the Blonde Waif on Another Striker quite aside from the Carroll deal as well - Madness, utter madness - "Not a big club" are we now Mark Bright and Lawrie Fuckin' Sanchez? Really? After setting records like THIS? Do us a favour and damn well do one. The Sport will be Far more bearable without you both and the sooner you're gone? The better for us all.........

 

And of course - This all comes only 3 months after ousting Tom & George, Net Spend, Late avoiding moves to get round Administration etc. with us supposedly having not a penny to rub together. What goes around comes around I suppose - We were always going to wake up sooner or later and now? The King's arrival has reawakened the slumbering giant, They're All afraid - You can smell it - In short though I think something from the BBC's Sports websites minute by minute update feed for the Transfer Window said it all earlier really "Basically, it's all about Liverpool." And how often have we said THAT in relation to us Getting rather than losing players in the past 4 years? Not to many no?

 

Well, well, well - "It's all about Liverpool indeed" and don't they ALL just know it? The Giant's past stirring now - It's awake and is getting to it's feet causing tremors in the ground and sending shockwaves out far across the land with Every further movement; Somehow, I think everyone else is now becoming aware of that and coming to Really regret forgetting about us - In the end? It's as our saying always goes - You know the one we're always laughed at for no? The saying that "You write Liverpool FC off at your peril." We've proved the truth of that often enough before - We WILL do so again and sooner than many think including a certain blonde haired ballet danc.....ahem forward now wearing a particularly disgusting shade of blue. Dear oh Dear Fernando - You just made THE biggest mistake you ever will - Don't worry, you'll find out How big soon enough - Mark my words. For us though? You can't emphasise just How important today was in the long run; We've Reannounced our stature and Taken a player despite massive opposition and a Huge price tag - Both factors that have stopped us quite frequently in the recent past, we've STILL got our man in the end; That alters things massively - This changes Everything................

Edited February 1, 2011 by Redshadow

[chauncey]

If anything he's the black Duncan Ferguson.

[piscinin]

No Piscinin - Try the White Drogba and you'd be closer - From what I can see of Carroll there? That man BATTERS defenders, wins headers and generally causes absolute mayhem in a way No-one I've seen does it other than the dreadlocked diving whinger at the Bridge and UNLIKE Drogba from what I've seen of him? He doesn't go down easily either and fights for nearly everything - Add that to an instinct for goal to match Drogba and our unnamed former Number 9 as well as him being a better header than both of them? Add also the fact that clip shows he's just as happy receiving passes as aerial barrages or clearing up chaos in the box as well?

 

Well, add all that together and methinks it shows someone who MIGHT just enjoy feeding off of the likes of Gerrard, Meireles and Suarez and our PASSING; In the process causing a Lot more damage than we think to our foes - All in all, we may just have got ourselves a good player - Certainly one whose FAR more up for a battle than Heskey ever was - He has the height, strength, goal-touch and power; What's more? He WILL use it - Heskey never did. Incidentally the clip also showed Carroll's goal against Chelsea with their defence in an utter mess - Along with several of their defeats this season? It shows that far more than one sulking, pouty mouthed traitorous former idol of ours will be needed to restore them to the heights and About that? Abramovich has done next to nothing - It will take a lot more than one late deadline day defender to fix THAT backline.

 

I think Suarez on his own will cause them enough problems on Sunday - With Carroll? They'd have had nightmares And Red Cards (and will in the future). Anyway, something tells me that the tackles will be FLYING in on Sunday IF you-know-who plays against us - Not much use for that price if he ends up injured is he? Methinks young Master Luis might just want to gatecrash the "Nando' show" on Sunday and he's more than able to do it - Either way? The day's events should be interesting, very interesting indeed.............

 

NB One more thing as well - It shows that All of those times we dithered under Houllier or Evans when TRYING to sign players or f*cked about on terms and let them slip away from us? Were the fault of the board and/or managers of the times. That we have initiated, developed, forced forwards and then completed a British Record Transfer Deal SMASHING the English Record - Never mind our own (until HIS move down there trumped the English Record a little later) all in One day? Shows we Can do it when we want to - We just need the right kind of forward thinking manager and board - All I can say in respect of That? Is Thank God Kenny's here;

 

Of course if it was Woy, we'd probably have just signed Zamora, and 'Scooped' the signature of Carlton Cole with 2 minutes of the window left and paying FAR to much for him as well no doubt. I think I can live with Carroll and Suarez in place of those two although it's no doubt the former two that would form Roy's Dream Team - We're lucky is all I can say that The Board made the TRULY important decision - That regarding our manager 3 weeks back. Things could have been MUCH worse than this if you think about it - We should thank our lucky stars now that they're not....................

 

His technique and movement are nowhere close to Drobga's hence I went with Heskey.

 

He's got potential there is no doubt but he's currently out injured because he fell off a casino stool @ 5 AM after drinking 30 jagermeisters. Is that the kind of guy that is going to make the most of the potential or is it the kind of guy that ends up in a confused Heskey like world of under-achievement or, like Barton, in a prison cell.

 

Time will tell. Manure have done well bringing in nutters and harnessing them maybe we can too.

[Beantown Red]

currently out injured because he fell off a casino stool @ 5 AM after drinking 30 jagermeisters

 

serious?

[piscinin]

serious?

 

Yep. That's the story anyway.

[Jose Jones]

Yep. That's the story anyway.

 

Ha, I just googled that to check it out because it seemed quite funny.

Anyway to be fair to our new no.9 according to the mirror's story anyway he ordered 30 jagerbombs, but that was for a big group of mates.

He only had 4 himself, which doesn't really make the same headlines does it?

Plus a couple of pints of fosters (ugh) and a few bottles of peroni. Falling off a stool pissed is stupid. But it wasn't 30 shots worth of stupid.

[s(k)aturation]

Ha, I just googled that to check it out because it seemed quite funny.

Anyway to be fair to our new no.9 according to the mirror's story anyway he ordered 30 jagerbombs, but that was for a big group of mates.

He only had 4 himself, which doesn't really make the same headlines does it?

Plus a couple of pints of fosters (ugh) and a few bottles of peroni. Falling off a stool pissed is stupid. But it wasn't 30 shots worth of stupid.

 

What a disgrace!

 

Can't hold his piss.

[piscinin]

Ha, I just googled that to check it out because it seemed quite funny.

Anyway to be fair to our new no.9 according to the mirror's story anyway he ordered 30 jagerbombs, but that was for a big group of mates.

He only had 4 himself, which doesn't really make the same headlines does it?

Plus a couple of pints of fosters (ugh) and a few bottles of peroni. Falling off a stool pissed is stupid. But it wasn't 30 shots worth of stupid.

 

You're right doesn't sound as good.

 

Anyway he's a soft lad. Couple of beers and a few jagerbombs and he's falling all over the shop. :)

[Jose Jones]

Yeah, that's probably worse!

We wasted 35 million quid on someone who can't hold his drink. Fucks sake.

[Redshadow]

Piscinin - Maybe you have a point re his technique and touch but do you remember Drogba's First TWO season's here before an utterly fantastic third where he took off in 2006/2007 (rather like that blonde tw*....ahem now distant memory did the season after for us). Just to refresh you - THE most effective way he scored in those two seasons was probably when he forced a City player to get sent off for protesting whilst? Controlling the ball with his arm and scoring a week after? Having ANOTHER goal disallowed for handball - For all that he was a brilliant focal point for the Chelsea attack and is one of THE reasons their midfield has scored so many goals since 2004. But overall? Drogba only scored something like 10 and 12 goals in his first 2 seasons here - I think Carroll already has 11 or so no? We shall see but I think there's evidence there that he can't just be the long awaited 'English' Drogba - but also? That he can FAR exceed the output of the original article.

 

One more thing - I THOUGHT you meant Carroll was like Heskey re his attitude and actually I think the two couldn't be MORE different on the pitch. Carroll will fight until he drops - Heskey will drop until he decides to fight. The last time we had an outlet as good as this was probably when Heskey could last be ars*d to play well at Birmingham Waaaaay back in May 2004; I don't think it's a coincidence we've had NO league victories on that ground since then. I wonder if Kenny sees Carroll as much as an outlet for the attack as an attacker himself. We shouldn't forget in all this that our two Best teams in 1978/79 and 1987/88 never used 2 out and out strikers either - The one in 1979 used someone rather like Carroll in David Johnson who scored regularly but was nothing like as deadly as Rush and had as well a quicksilver genius and creator of chances like Dalglish up alongside him - A player Suarez is very much in the mold of when he's on his game (Remember his goal against South Korea in the World Cup? VERY Like that second one by he who is now unnamed against the London Mercenaries back in November).

 

In 1988 we probably Did have an out and out scorer in Aldridge but He to started off in the lower leagues and he had another player in the Dalglish mould alongside him in Peter Beardsley - I don't think it's a coincidence that Both sides then went on to become our two finest EVER teams and broke all sorts of scoring and defensive records - Some of which still stand today. In the end? THAT is one of the reasons I trust Kenny - HE Played in the first side a long, long time ago in 1979 and it won the League with something like 68 points and 30 wins which under the 3 points for a win system? Would equal a massive thumping majority of 98 points - No club bar Chelsea themselves has come even CLOSE to that since (they were in 2005 I think with 95 points). If Kenny can craft a side even HALF as good as that one was in 1979 - And he's done it once with the '88 side which was Even Better on the eye and won the League twice with 90 and then 78 points in 1988 and 1990 - then I think we'll be back in business re the League Title; I have a feeling here that never mind regaining the Champions League - I think Kenny's looked for A PREMIER League proven scorer here and in Carroll? He's got someone who looks like being just that - If not him? Then his very presence might enable Suarez to become one - Either way we've come off with DOUBLE the strikeforce we had before which was of course what we All wanted no?

 

To finish - We should remember what's more than all I've written above? We've certainly got Far more fight up front than we had before - Which is good as I'm utterly sick of certain unnamed forwards of our recent past just giving up, sulking and moping around season in, season out - Instead of hounding the other sides to distraction as they should be match in, match out - It's one of the reasons we've fallen so far since 1990; I think in the end we've the King's (still) sharp managerial mind to thank for that doubling of our forward line - And it MIGHT just pay dividends in the near future - Just think, wouldn't it be ridiculously symmetrical if the Man who brought us Number 18 all those long years ago? Ended up breaking the diabolically long jinx His own departure 20 odd years back began - The circle would then be complete. We will see I suppose because? Sooner or later, Time will tell...............

Edited February 1, 2011 by Redshadow

[s(k)aturation]

So we're all agreed.

 

Time will tell.

[Josef Svejk]

Probably been posted a fuckload of times, but here are his goals so far this season:

 

YouTube - Andy Carroll premier leauge goals so far! Newcastle N0.9

 

Nice variety of finishes - He can be a true complete striker if he manages to screw his head on straight.

 

Goals against Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, and us. I'd say that's a good sign...

[WrongIslander]

Piscinin - Maybe you have a point re his technique and touch but do you remember Drogba's First TWO season's here before an utterly fantastic third where he took off in 2006/2007 (rather like that blonde tw*....ahem now distant memory did the season after for us). Just to refresh you - THE most effective way he scored in those two seasons was probably when he forced a City player to get sent off for protesting whilst? Controlling the ball with his arm and scoring a week after? Having ANOTHER goal disallowed for handball - For all that he was a brilliant focal point for the Chelsea attack and is one of THE reasons their midfield has scored so many goals since 2004. Overall? Drogba only scored something like 10 and 12 goals in his first 2 seasons here - I think Carroll already has 11 or so no? We shall see but I think there's evidence there that he can't just be the long awaited 'English' Drogba - but also? That he can FAR exceed the output of the original article. One more thing - I THOUGHT you meant Carroll was like Heskey re his attitude and actually I think the two couldn't be MORE different on the pitch. Carroll will fight until he drops - Heskey will drop until he decides to fight.

 

The last time we had an outlet as good as this was probably when Heskey could last be ars*d to play well at Birmingham Waaaaay back in May 2004; I don't think it's a coincidence we've had NO league victories on that ground since then. I wonder if Kenny sees Carroll as much as an outlet for the attack as an attacker himself - Don't forget our two Best teams in 1978/79 and 1987/88 never used 2 out and out strikers either - The one in 1979 used someone rather like Carroll in David Johnson who scored regularly but was nothing like as deadly as Rush and had as well a quicksilver genius and creator of chances like Dalglish up alongside him - A player Suarez is very much in the mold of when he's on his game (Remember his goal against South Korea in the World Cup? VERY Like that second one by he who is now unnamed against the London Mercenaries back in November). In 1988 we probably Did have an out and out scorer in Aldridge but He to started off in the lower leagues and he had another player in the Dalglish mould alongside him - I don't think it's a coincidence that Both sides then went on to become our two finest EVER teams and broke all sorts of scoring and defensive records - Some of which still stand today.

 

In the end? THAT is one of the reasons I trust Kenny - HE Played in the first side a long, long time ago in 1979 and it won the League with something like 68 points and 30 wins which under the 3 points for a win system? Would equal a massive thumping majority of 98 points - No club bar Chelsea themselves has come even CLOSE to that since (they were in 2005 I think with 95 points). If Kenny can craft a side even HALF as good as that - And he's done it once with the '88 side which was Even Better on the eye and won the League twice with 90 and then 78 points in 1988 and 1990 - then I think we'll be back in business re the League;

 

I have a feeling here that never mind regaining the Champions League - I think Kenny's looked for A PREMIER League proven scorer here and in Carroll? He's got someone who looks like being just that - If not him? Then his very presence might enable Suarez to become one - Either way we've come off with DOUBLE the strikeforce we had before which was of course what we All wanted no? I think in the end we've the King's (still) sharp managerial mind to thank for that - And it MIGHT just pay dividends in the near future - Just think, wouldn't it be ridiculously symmetrical if the Man who brought us Number 18 all those long years ago? Ended up breaking the diabolically long jinx His own departure 20 odd years back began - The circle would then be complete. We will see I suppose because? Sooner or later, Time will tell...............

 

Fantastic post and I agree with it all, he's still after his Barnes (think he saw Ashley Young as that player) and that's the next piece. Doubt it will be N'Zogbia now since he had a fight with Carroll in training (brave man).

 

We have good players there, we also have a great manager and great managers can get the best out of good players and make very good players great if they have the potential to be so, like you I believe as a strikeforce Suarez and Carroll have the potential to be something special as they both seem to compliment each other brilliantly in their strengths and weakness'.

[piscinin]

Piscinin - Maybe you have a point re his technique and touch but do you remember Drogba's First TWO season's here before an utterly fantastic third where he took off in 2006/2007 (rather like that blonde tw*....ahem now distant memory did the season after for us). Just to refresh you - THE most effective way he scored in those two seasons was probably when he forced a City player to get sent off for protesting whilst? Controlling the ball with his arm and scoring a week after? Having ANOTHER goal disallowed for handball - For all that he was a brilliant focal point for the Chelsea attack and is one of THE reasons their midfield has scored so many goals since 2004. Overall? Drogba only scored something like 10 and 12 goals in his first 2 seasons here - I think Carroll already has 11 or so no? We shall see but I think there's evidence there that he can't just be the long awaited 'English' Drogba - but also? That he can FAR exceed the output of the original article. One more thing - I THOUGHT you meant Carroll was like Heskey re his attitude and actually I think the two couldn't be MORE different on the pitch. Carroll will fight until he drops - Heskey will drop until he decides to fight.

 

I agree mate. Just worried about whether or not Carroll is right enough in the head to make the step up. He's very immature. If he cuts out the beating up women, his team mates, glassing people, getting convicted for assault, injuring himself while out drinking, hanging around with people carrying Class A substances etc, he could go far :)

 

The last time we had an outlet as good as this was probably when Heskey could last be ars*d to play well at Birmingham Waaaaay back in May 2004; I don't think it's a coincidence we've had NO league victories on that ground since then. I wonder if Kenny sees Carroll as much as an outlet for the attack as an attacker himself - Don't forget our two Best teams in 1978/79 and 1987/88 never used 2 out and out strikers either - The one in 1979 used someone rather like Carroll in David Johnson who scored regularly but was nothing like as deadly as Rush and had as well a quicksilver genius and creator of chances like Dalglish up alongside him - A player Suarez is very much in the mold of when he's on his game (Remember his goal against South Korea in the World Cup? VERY Like that second one by he who is now unnamed against the London Mercenaries back in November). In 1988 we probably Did have an out and out scorer in Aldridge but He to started off in the lower leagues and he had another player in the Dalglish mould alongside him - I don't think it's a coincidence that Both sides then went on to become our two finest EVER teams and broke all sorts of scoring and defensive records - Some of which still stand today.

 

In the end? THAT is one of the reasons I trust Kenny - HE Played in the first side a long, long time ago in 1979 and it won the League with something like 68 points and 30 wins which under the 3 points for a win system? Would equal a massive thumping majority of 98 points - No club bar Chelsea themselves has come even CLOSE to that since (they were in 2005 I think with 95 points). If Kenny can craft a side even HALF as good as that - And he's done it once with the '88 side which was Even Better on the eye and won the League twice with 90 and then 78 points in 1988 and 1990 - then I think we'll be back in business re the League;

 

I have a feeling here that never mind regaining the Champions League - I think Kenny's looked for A PREMIER League proven scorer here and in Carroll? He's got someone who looks like being just that - If not him? Then his very presence might enable Suarez to become one - Either way we've come off with DOUBLE the strikeforce we had before which was of course what we All wanted no? I think in the end we've the King's (still) sharp managerial mind to thank for that - And it MIGHT just pay dividends in the near future - Just think, wouldn't it be ridiculously symmetrical if the Man who brought us Number 18 all those long years ago? Ended up breaking the diabolically long jinx His own departure 20 odd years back began - The circle would then be complete. We will see I suppose because? Sooner or later, Time will tell...............

 

Yep, lots of promise. As you allude to I think were building a team for the PL rather than one more suited to CL and it's going to take a couple of quality players per window.

[Coro]

Goals against Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, and us. I'd say that's a good sign...

 

Yep.

 

We'll be a threat at set pieces again.

 

A physical presence and a player who looks very assured.

 

Massive potential.

[s(k)aturation]

I agree mate. Just worried about whether or not Carroll is right enough in the head to make the step up. He's very immature. If he cuts out the beating up women, his team mates, glassing people, getting convicted for assault, injuring himself while out drinking, hanging around with people carrying Class A substances etc, he could go far :)

 

It's a crazy thought, but perhaps Kenny might have a word with him at some stage about fixing stuff like this.

[Colonol]

I really am worried about this. The lad is a local Geordie who probably liked the feeling of being idolised and getting away with things too at the club. Now he comes here costing a huge amount and is expected to fill the shoes of Torres and rise to the next level of his career. For all we know the lad was probably happy to stay at Newcastle and that he was forced out as the price was too good for him. The pressure will be immense and the fans need to get behind him from the start.

[Coro]

For all we know the lad was probably happy to stay at Newcastle and that he was forced out as the price was too good for him

 

He put in a transfer request, didn't he?

 

I think the fact he's been signed along with Suarez eases the pressure a little on both players.

[s(k)aturation]

I really am worried about this. The lad is a local Geordie who probably liked the feeling of being idolised and getting away with things too at the club. Now he comes here costing a huge amount and is expected to fill the shoes of Torres and rise to the next level of his career. For all we know the lad was probably happy to stay at Newcastle and that he was forced out as the price was too good for him. The pressure will be immense and the fans need to get behind him from the start.

 

Once he starts knocking in a few Nat King Coles, I'm sure he'll like the feeling of being idolised on the Kop just as much